Grenades

@coffeelight5545 said in Grenades:

@norloc

With the idea of grenades I would also like to add spoke bombs for quick escape. With the grenade and smoke bomb, it should be just like the guns. You could only carry 5 and had to reload at any ammo box

If they have 5 i would also like them to take up a weapon slot rather than supplement the loadout with an extra grenade slot. This would make for cool choices and allow the grenades to be balanced better while staying somewhat powerful.

@coffeelight5545 smoke grenades for fog, ink grenades for blurred or blocked screen affects 👍

@galactic-geek said in Grenades:

I feel like a smoke grenade would be too taxing on the performance - I see this issue with them in many video games, so I believe it to be a valid concern.

Even if I'm wrong, and it isn't a problem, you still have to consider how advantageous a smoke grenade would be in small spaces, like onboard a ship. Being able to blind your opponent (cannoneers can't see their targets, wheelmen can't see the rocks ahead, repairmen can't see the holes and damage they need to repair, etc.), mask your movements, and get close enough to blunderbuss or cut down an opponent - that's powerful stuff, even if it takes up a weapon slot and even if you only get 1. I can just picture 4 pirates on a galleon all throwing down their smoke grenades onto the decks of the poor solo sloop that they just rammed and boarded. If you think 4v1 is bad now... Then you ain't seen nothing yet!

I just see more reasons to encourage people to socialize to avoid this. Giving the option for solo play and making attempts to balance are good, the entire design revolving around a playstyle that was never intended to be the main experience, isnt good.

You might be right about the smoke affect itself being taxing, but we have fog so idk why a smaller denser affect couldnt be achieved, similar to the keg explosion animation just lasting longer and being bigger instead of a quick mushroom cloud that instantly vanishes.

@goedecke-michel said in Grenades:

Every game has them? Harumph, no, old sports, this ain't true. I just played cards, no grenades available. Also soccer, no grenade. Concerning this pirate game, I don't miss them, either. Furthermore, I don't like the idea of a galleon, shooting three men over my ship, everyone dropping his 2, 3, 4, 5 grenades. I like the game without airforce strikes much more :)

Thanks for the insightful feedback mike. Its almost like rare/ just dosnt want to add things to make their game less bland and predictable.

Some days they go “be more pirate arghh” and introduce cursed cannonballs and kegs, other days they go “no no no you silly gooses, we change pronouns and couldnt possibly add content! The very thought!”

Lol.... if only this game was overseen by people who could actually follow their vision and not flip flop and constantly make dumb mistakes to the point of it seeming almost stubbornly on purpose “you want an arena pvp mode? Fine we listen to demand! Just make it a gold hoarder missiona ns slap a turn in and a circle shroud edge, boom! Arena!”

Another Lol....

Sooo, when does the game get good?

Signed your biggest supporter.

@galactic-geek said in Grenades:

@norloc said in Grenades:

it would depend on how they build them in game. the original grenade as stated, were little more than a thin hollowed out metal ball filled with black powder (not gunpowder) damage was relatively low (though shrapnel was most of damage) they were incredibly smoky due to the black powder.

whether this would make life more difficult in game or for the devs, im no authority on the issue. but while people could over use this in attacks, people can also use for escape, if your an attacker and cant see your target; or a ships hull is filled with smoke and you cant see your target either party has a chance for victory really.

I dont pvp enough in this game to really give enough constructive input into that subject, but im confident in the theory lol 😏

Except you can't run through an opposing player's space - with the smoke concealing them, you might try to escape only to not realize that they're blocking the stairs, since you can't see them. They won't even need to see you - they just need to keep swinging their swords.

I mean in ship combat getting boarded is sign of previous failure anyway, and the smoke could be used both ways still. Giving time to heal and then fight through the smoke.

The sloop would be most affected by this you are right, but the sloop is already most affected by everything, and has a long time to sink even with many holes because of this.

Getting killed by a boarder using a smoke grenade is no different than a blunderbuss, except it acrually gives a player time, when already boarded which is a separate issue that if you want fixed, ive always said raisable ladders or spawn timers based on crew size, etc. and rarely hear good point/idea to the contrary, just negatives that will never be proven if they dont test them anyways.

Lets atleast test things like this in insider. This and much more.

@galactic-geek im saying that this is the main factor in defeat, not that it equates to defeat, even as a solo slooper.

Im saying we shouldnt blame the grenades and then not add them, when the boarding is the real main ingredient in being sunk, regardless of what tools are used.

With new ship damage it is less so the main ingredient, but it still is.

Might be time for raisable ladders imo. If it wasnt already.

i sugested cursed grenades a while ago