Sea of thieves breeds bullies....

@x1xcerberusx1x You complain about people killing you,robbing you on a PIRATE game are you for real, also they WILL NEVER add PvE servers on a game focused on PvP

So just today I was sailing alone just to sail, and a galleon starts shooting at me. I sailed circles around them dancing and waving on my canvas. They eventually ran, and I chased them. I put 4 good holes in them, and they decided to all board me, and spawn kill me while their ship sunk. That was fun to me.

In the end I had a ship they didn't, and they were busy trying to save their treasure. If they waved back I would have sailed on my way, but they decided to shoot, and chase.

Hi there,

I don't think it's fair to say that Sea of Thieves breeds bullies at all, quite the opposite. The other day I fought and won against a crew, I died, they died, but we sank their ship and they didn't. On the ferry of the damned, I saw them, and we both exchanged pleasantries and said "good fight" to each other. They are now friends on my account, and we chat about Sea of Thieves and instances past. Does that sound like bullying to you?

I too have played solo, and I do have had to out run, out gun, out maneuver and out smart my enemies, and whilst I can't say I have reached your 41/35/28 level (I think I'm 31/28/21), I've had my fair share of positive and negative experiences as a solo player in Sea of Thieves, and I can safely say I'm also not a "bad" player myself.

The truth of the matter is I sympathise with your position, and it's not an uncommon one for people to find themselves in. I especially sympathise with the randomers of a crew and not being able to play with friends... it can suck when you get on board a ship, pop down your adventure and then all of a sudden they refuse to raise the anchor, they suicide your ship and they troll. No one can detract from that or your experiences within that, and for sure it's something that needs to be addressed in due course.

HOWEVER this does not mean that I agree with your stance, as I think you're forgetting the OTHER side of the coin. See each story has two sides to it, you are recalling your version of events, and that cannot be denied. But what can be denied is that it is the only standpoint, and therefore bullying by default.

When I am sailing, be that in a group or solo, every ship is an enemy. This is an open world PvP game where at any point you can be sunk and lose your cargo. You are sailing in a ship, as a solo player, and I can see your boat coming towards the Outpost I am heading towards at the same time with my Captains Chest and Villainous Skulls. Note: I say your ship, not you, because all that I can tell is that your ship is an unknown target it potentially hostile territory and I have 3000 dubloons worth of stock in my sloop. I've already had to ditch two other Outpost locations because of other ships which have attempted to fire on me, and this is my last option... the same location you are sailing towards.

Tell me, and swear to me, that you would wait for the sloop to get into communication distance, where they can potentially kill you and take all your 3000 dubloons worth of treasure. If you can honestly and truthfully say that, then you're not victimised by bullies... you may just be a little bit on the more niave and trusting scale of humanity which this game is not designed for.

How can you tell if a sloop is a solo player or not until it's already too late? Many a time I have bombarded potential enemies heading directly towards me, and sinking them, before I have even ascertained crew size. Because I don't want to look into your pirates eyes and work out if you're hostile... I want to take my hard earned rewards, and keep them safe, and sell them.

You make it seem like there is some wide ranged conspiracy that most, if not all, players are specifically blood thirsty trolls who want to ravage and savage the seven seas, but this is quite simply not the case. In the rare instances I have indeed come across passive players and I have sunk them and taken their loot, I have returned at least some of it to them willingly. Yes, sometimes you will encounter bad people, but that goes for any game. Campers in first person shooters, griefers in sandbox games, trolls in MMORPG's and feeders in MOBA's, but this does not mean that every single individual who plays the game is one of them and to brand everyone as a bully and say that Sea of Thieves is promoting that is quite simply insulting and against the rules of the forum.

You have also, many times, in your post mentioned lines like: "because they support the developers goal to create a fun friendly game where you can meet new friends and have fun" and "Rare states that this game is supposed to be fun for everyone", but can I ask where exactly Rare has said this? I've spent the past 15 minutes looking through the about section, and found quite the contrary. Rare has been quoted as describing the game as: "Sea of Thieves is a shared world adventure game (or SWAG) with crew co-operation at its core, designed to let you be the kind of pirate you want to be. Want to follow maps and solve riddles to find legendary treasure? Assemble the mightiest, most fearsome crew to sail the seas? Set a course for the horizon and just explore? Our ambition is to build a game that lets you pursue whatever adventure your salty heart desires.", which does not scream happiness, sunshine and rainbows. In fact you can read everything on their "about" page, and you'll see that actually Rare have never stated this is a fun sailing simulator for all your friendly needs, but a gritty and explosive world where everyone is potentially a threat.

I will add two more of Rare's actual quotes here, in a hope that you may understand you seem to have misconceived the game: "When parley is off the table, fight to protect your crew and your gold in ship-to-ship battles with cannon, pistol, blunderbuss and cutlass, pursuing rivals through raging storms." and finally: "Sea of Thieves is a new type of multiplayer game that delivers all you need to live the free-roaming pirate life. Whether adventuring as a group or sailing solo, you'll encounter other crews... but will they be friends or foes, and how will you respond?"

As for getting a refund on the game, without skimming over it too much, it usually doesn't work that way. But hey! If you bought a hard copy, I'm sure you can sell that for twenty dollars on amazon to someone else... at least that's something?

And finally, regarding the solo play, I'd like to point something out. Before you even choose to sail solo, you get a warning that it will be challenging. The game isn't meant to be played solo for the optimal experience, and yes that does suck but that's why matchmaking is also a thing too. It even says so on their about section: *"Q: Can I play the game solo? A:
Absolutely, but be prepared for a challenge! At launch we have large ships designed for collaborative crews of four, and smaller ships designed for one or two players."

I'm sorry you feel you have been bullied... but remember each story has two sides, do not sacrifice the other side of the story for your own version of events, because then you'll never know how it's all supposed to end.

Kind regards.

First Mate, Jessie "Realdawnseeker" Fawkes.

@x1xcerberusx1x OH NO DON'T CALL THE BULLY HUNTERS lol because you got bested in combat by a skilled a crew maybe get better at the game before [mod edited] about people being PIRATES on a pirate game

@x1xcerberusx1x look the game is based around pirates with an open world to seek fortune the way you want. Do you want to be the treasure hunter or the crew that takes down first or even the crew that rulea the seven seas by taking what they want. The game offers multiple ways to earn. The game even warns you before going solo that it is harder. Yes random crews will attack first and ask questions later but that's the risk you take when riding solo. I see your pride when you earn everything your self but I'm sure if you joined a random server with a four man wrecking crew you could see the excitement of sinking a ship and taking the loot for yourself. Your a pirate its not a place for crying closets and sensitive people. Just have fun

@x1xcerberusx1x to be honest with you i didnt read the whole post but only some key points. first of all the game is called sea of thieves not sea of bullies and taking you hard earned loot is the key mechanic of the game. but i wont grief you i wont swear on you or disrespect you i ll just kill you take your loot some supplies and sink you. thats the game.

You read it here first folks. We need PvE servers for players with a "developed mind"!

@dud3rdude That's not bullying, that's you losing your cargo. Please don't profane the boards with your whining.

@x1xcerberusx1x just a heads up, i've lead and joined well over 200+ different groups all with hundreds of different pirates. I'd say 90% of them, won't ever bother a solo sloop unless they approach us randomly out of blue or come at us while were 1. at an outpost 2. at a skull fort.

The people who are attacking you are probably non-veteran players. People who really are just semi new, and want some pvp no matter what.

Don't get me wrong there are definitely a ton of Veteran players who will attack anyone on sight but they are far and few between. i'd even go as far as to say at least half of them don't shoot first and only attack/spawn camp when the other crew takes first shot.

This game creates some funny stories whether your in a galleon or sloop I play both.I have lost treasure on the doorstep of an outpost before and just laughed it off.I think that playing this game just to quickly progress is pointless. I think your playing for the wrong reason that's why you are so angry,I feel that grinding is pointless in this game at the moment because when you reach the top its no different and gold only buys you cosmetics,that's why just having fun and creating a story in the session is a good thing whether its being a pirate and shooting everything or exploring as a merchant ,its up to the player who payed his money to do what he wants and not be called for it.If they had AI ship mobs in the game would you call them bullies?,because the PvP players are the player base that makes up for the lack of enemy mobs in this game.I'm not PvP but I think it would. Be boring without them.

@x1xcerberusx1x said in Sea of thieves breeds bullies....:

Some of us just can't be on when our friends are on. Some of us don't like having to jump from server to server,
(though some do it just to steal forts and move on), to find a decent player who doesn't take over the helm so they can crash the ship into an island and shoot a GPB just to sink the ship because it's funny to them. So we play solo. I have made it to 41/35/28 with 70% of my time or more completely solo(this includes completing several skeleton forts) with that being said we can all assume that I'm not a "bad" player. Now to get to the reason for this post. Solo players like myself and many others are tired of constantly having to out run,out gun, and just about outplay 2,3,and 4 player crews all the time though doing so proves were just better than an entire team but this gets exhausting and eventually you just don't care anymore and give up. I'd just like to say to the multiple member crews out there if you see a solo player the first thought in your mind shouldn't be"OMG it's a solo player let's go harass them and steal everything they've worked so hard for" most players don't join multiple player crews because they are good at the game or because they support the developers goal to create a fun friendly game where you can meet new friends and have fun. There's nothing fun about getting completely destroyed by trash talking wannabe pirates in a virtual non existing world. They join crews because they can't handle themselves alone and are not good enough to play without a team. They are afraid to play alone because they know they can't handle it. Just like gang members. When I'm with my friends we focus on the core point of the game,exploring and having fun not ruining people's experience and wasting what little time they may have because let's face it,some of us don't live in our parents basement and call live streaming an employment opportunity and stay on our games 23.5hrs a day. I'd like to make a suggestion. Create non pvp servers because some of us have a developed mind and find pvp to be ultimately pointless and overwhelmingly full of disappointment. So what, you sink a ship, big deal there's no real reward other than the one time achievement then it's just the "yaaay,high 5 let's drink and talk about it for 2 min then an overwhelming black hole of disappointment that there's nothing else to do because you've run everyone off the server and you realize you've gained nothing really and your right back to where you were before you bullied the smaller teams, searching for treasure just like everyone else. Death tax would be a suggestion, or if you had to spend 25% of your total gold to rebuild your ship with a minimum balance. Or how about an unprovoked attack on a ship not at an active skeleton fort cost you gold . Every time you cause damage you see red gold amounts ticking away then this gold would then be applied to the account of persons day you just ruined so they can get their ship back. . That would cut down on all the pointless attacks. And if you can't buy a ship(at the mermaid) oh well maybe you'll be more careful next time..It's not pvp in this game its pvp(s). I rarely ever find myself going up against another single player and I never attack first. As soon as I'm attacked I usually just quit anyway and most players never have anything because all of the bullies have already stolen it all or they have to turn each maps loot in every time they complete them, again exhausing. I've had nothing on my ship sitting at my first island of the day and a gallion comes by the island I'm on and just sinks me because they can. Never even searching my ship. I know non pvp dedicated servers will never happen because being a bully is trending and this game breeds bullies. When I ask players why they 4 v 1 me and sink my ship they say "it's a pirate game yo" just like children they refuse to take responsibility for the choices they make while blaming it on the genera of a game. The truth is they are just bullies bred by the title of a game unable to think for themselves. I love this game, I just don't like 99% of the players....no one likes a bully. Rare states that this game is supposed to be fun for everyone, well it's not. And players will say if it's not fun to you then don't play it. I say Ive paid money as everyone else has to play the same game. Why should a bully get more out of it than me. So because I'm not a bully or I can't always play with someone then I should just not play it. Ok I won't play, so wheres my refund. I paid to have a good experience and I'm not getting it. Fair is fair. I've paid for services not rendered if I have to take the advice of a bully and just not play the game. Comments welcomed but I'm just making a statement that everyone else can debate over. I most likely will never post again. Have fun out there on the bully sea if you can , and if you cant,well State of Decay 2 comes out in about 20 days. I know my post like running from bullies was exhausting...so since I've said it don't exhaust yourself by repeating that my post like running from bullies was exhausting and to the ones who will still comment exhausting...yes...yes you are

I understand you, but i still think this games anarchy is a design choice that will stay. Solo players will always be seen as the low hanging fruit pvp wise im sorry even for other sloops (rather them most galleons at least i guess).

Thing is: i wouldnt want the game to have solo servers or restriction to the open world pvp...

I am very much looking forward to new small ships in the future. Rumors are this summer will be that new ones get released.

1. I hope with more small ships players will be encouraged to play in teams and
2. The more ships the more rare can try to balance by twerking some numbers like how fast turns ship A compared to B compared to C... unno... make a rock paper scissors thing going on...

Good sloops can already outplay galleons as you said and maybe it wont be too boring or anything if its not always the galleon that needs to be outplayed but maybe sometimes meet another little ship with other advantages and disadvantages to have a strategy at

@only-alexraptor
Raiding ships at outpost just for supplies? Really?
Have you never consider just getting off your ship at the said outpost and just.... Resupply from the outpost.
So instead you troll and empty boat for bananas. No wonder people are leaving the game!

@x1xcerberusx1x Please, learn to use paragraphs :/

You paid and you've played plenty, no refund :P

But anyway, if you play the game solo that is your choice, solo is this games 'hard mode', join a bloody crew, make some friends and join them.. (But Rare for god sake add a system where you can join friends mid voyage please) Do solo when you feel like it but don't expect to find things easy.

People attacking does not make them a bully. They want your loot. Protect it! If you had more people you'd stand a better chance of escape, that's your problem not theirs..

@x1xcerberusx1x said in Sea of thieves breeds bullies....:

Some of us just can't be on when our friends are on. Some of us don't like having to jump from server to server,
(though some do it just to steal forts and move on), to find a decent player who doesn't take over the helm so they can crash the ship into an island and shoot a GPB just to sink the ship because it's funny to them. So we play solo. I have made it to 41/35/28 with 70% of my time or more completely solo(this includes completing several skeleton forts) with that being said we can all assume that I'm not a "bad" player. Now to get to the reason for this post. Solo players like myself and many others are tired of constantly having to out run,out gun, and just about outplay 2,3,and 4 player crews all the time though doing so proves were just better than an entire team but this gets exhausting and eventually you just don't care anymore and give up. I'd just like to say to the multiple member crews out there if you see a solo player the first thought in your mind shouldn't be"OMG it's a solo player let's go harass them and steal everything they've worked so hard for" most players don't join multiple player crews because they are good at the game or because they support the developers goal to create a fun friendly game where you can meet new friends and have fun. There's nothing fun about getting completely destroyed by trash talking wannabe pirates in a virtual non existing world. They join crews because they can't handle themselves alone and are not good enough to play without a team. They are afraid to play alone because they know they can't handle it. Just like gang members. When I'm with my friends we focus on the core point of the game,exploring and having fun not ruining people's experience and wasting what little time they may have because let's face it,some of us don't live in our parents basement and call live streaming an employment opportunity and stay on our games 23.5hrs a day. I'd like to make a suggestion. Create non pvp servers because some of us have a developed mind and find pvp to be ultimately pointless and overwhelmingly full of disappointment. So what, you sink a ship, big deal there's no real reward other than the one time achievement then it's just the "yaaay,high 5 let's drink and talk about it for 2 min then an overwhelming black hole of disappointment that there's nothing else to do because you've run everyone off the server and you realize you've gained nothing really and your right back to where you were before you bullied the smaller teams, searching for treasure just like everyone else. Death tax would be a suggestion, or if you had to spend 25% of your total gold to rebuild your ship with a minimum balance. Or how about an unprovoked attack on a ship not at an active skeleton fort cost you gold . Every time you cause damage you see red gold amounts ticking away then this gold would then be applied to the account of persons day you just ruined so they can get their ship back. . That would cut down on all the pointless attacks. And if you can't buy a ship(at the mermaid) oh well maybe you'll be more careful next time..It's not pvp in this game its pvp(s). I rarely ever find myself going up against another single player and I never attack first. As soon as I'm attacked I usually just quit anyway and most players never have anything because all of the bullies have already stolen it all or they have to turn each maps loot in every time they complete them, again exhausing. I've had nothing on my ship sitting at my first island of the day and a gallion comes by the island I'm on and just sinks me because they can. Never even searching my ship. I know non pvp dedicated servers will never happen because being a bully is trending and this game breeds bullies. When I ask players why they 4 v 1 me and sink my ship they say "it's a pirate game yo" just like children they refuse to take responsibility for the choices they make while blaming it on the genera of a game. The truth is they are just bullies bred by the title of a game unable to think for themselves. I love this game, I just don't like 99% of the players....no one likes a bully. Rare states that this game is supposed to be fun for everyone, well it's not. And players will say if it's not fun to you then don't play it. I say Ive paid money as everyone else has to play the same game. Why should a bully get more out of it than me. So because I'm not a bully or I can't always play with someone then I should just not play it. Ok I won't play, so wheres my refund. I paid to have a good experience and I'm not getting it. Fair is fair. I've paid for services not rendered if I have to take the advice of a bully and just not play the game. Comments welcomed but I'm just making a statement that everyone else can debate over. I most likely will never post again. Have fun out there on the bully sea if you can , and if you cant,well State of Decay 2 comes out in about 20 days. I know my post like running from bullies was exhausting...so since I've said it don't exhaust yourself by repeating that my post like running from bullies was exhausting and to the ones who will still comment exhausting...yes...yes you are

I guess my thought is that you might want to play more casually. Avoid other players, go ahead and log off or scuttle your ship when things get out of control, and log back on. Or, do as I do, do a few chests as a time, and turn them in so you're not sailing around with a huge cargo. This way in case you do get attacked or boarded, then you won't lose as much, and then won't have to take it personally, because you'll have lost one chest or some small freight, and can always make that up once the attack is over with.

A true bully bosses people around takes their money lest they beat up or otherwise physically harm that person. So, where that aspect is in this game, I tend to think that the term bully gets slightly over used. That's not to say that you're experiences aren't legitimate, but maybe take a different approach to the game. Turn off the in game music, and put on your own tunes, and sail around thinking about how you'd like to enjoy the game.

Maybe delete your current character and start over. Because if you do that, and start doing the new player missions, the game will make life easier for you. It actually does this. When you get better it then connects you to servers and populates the ocean with more ships.

Anyway, I hope you find a way to enjoy it.

@sarni88 I think any form of new servers are a terrible idea and simply a way to 'escape'... I would love to see people working together to change the system so that EVERYONE can enjoy the game, and ideally participate in both PvP and PvE activities, and many suggestions on the forum are trying to achieve this.

Not only that but any form of PvE servers would only attract the PvE players, thus leaving PvP players on the normal servers, making them more aggressive in general, plus players like myself who WANT to experience the whole game (PvPvE) will be forced to choose the server which is now more aggressive.. or the PvE server.... I don't ever want to be forced to make that choice. The game is PvPvE and that is really cool, but the system has GOT to change to make it a more healthy experience for everyone, starting with the severe loss that PvErs experience when losing their loot. Having something valuable at risk is great, but it is perfectly feasible to introduce a system where it's not COMPLETE loss, at the moment any form of loss in the game is a very deflating and crippling experience and that is where much of the hostility comes from, especially given this is a game which was advertised to 12+ people and casuals...

Some dude earlier was bragging about bullying in the game in another thread, and some moderator loved it.

@dud3rdude said in Sea of thieves breeds bullies....:

sea of thieves is the definition of bullies. I remember me and my crew just finished a skeleton fort only for our ship to be sunk by a sloop and our crew was wiped out and we lost all our hard earned skeleton fort stronghold loot.

I have 0 respect for those type of pirates, The lurker hyena pirates that hide like cowards to ambush skilled pirates after they did all the work. This is why if we see any sails on the horizon we wait on the key because I'm not letting some bad pirate roll up and ruin my day when I'm busy ferrying chests.

@x1xcerberusx1x I agree with you 100%. This game is full of bullies and people who refuse to help new people. I'm surprised by how mean and inconsiderate the people are on this game. I have played many free games with much better people than this. They are helpful and want to be sociable not just bullies who refuse to play with someone because help is not available.

@rarden exactly!