Thoughts on 120 FOV...

Just watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-KjKzdJTek&t

Like Iron says, this is the only community that has freaked out about fov so much. It's really weird. It's not an advantage, it just looks and feels better. The only advantage in this game is hardware. Why aren't people talking about the fact that having a super fast pc is an advantage over xbox 1 players? Plus to all the people saying it's bannable, nowhere in xbox tos, microsoft tos, or Sea of Thieves tos does it say that modifying, editing, etc is bannable. I personally don't use it because I don't want to get banned, even though it isn't bannable, but I want it to be addressed by Rare so I can know that I'm able to use it or not.

@punchytootle so are you saying you agree with what i'm doing and saying?

@yaboiskinypickl yep. I'm with u on this one

@punchytootle Yea, I made a recent post and only 1 person agreed with me on it and everyone else called me a cheater, they hope I get banned, and saying its bannable to mess with the games files. I simply don't understand where they are getting there sources from, just seems like they are salty cuz they cant get it lol.

@yaboiskinypickl it's more like they aren't speaking from actually doing research. I've done my research and like I said, nowhere does it say that modifying game files is bannable so yeah.

@yaboiskinypickl this is a quote from a moderator in another thread that got locked:

“ Ahoy maties!

Just going to jump in on this one.

Bans have been issued for players that modify game code to give themselves an advantage. This is not something Rare condones and is something that goes against the Xbox Terms of Service.

Editing a game file to give yourself an advantage over someone else completely goes against the spirit of the game and good sportsmanship.

Dropping anchor here!”

@kommodoreyenser But again... how is 120 fov an advantage? I simply just like the look of it more and it honestly made me worse at the game since I've switched... doesn't make sense and makes that look like you've pulled that out of ur A**.

Changing ur fov to 120 is moding game.Ik its stupid but it is how it is.i personaly Love to use 120fov on xbox cus 90fov more looks like 80fov

@yaboiskinypickl said in Thoughts on 120 FOV...:

@kommodoreyenser But again... how is 120 fov an advantage? I simply just like the look of it more and it honestly made me worse at the game since I've switched... doesn't make sense and makes that look like you've pulled that out of ur A**.

You have your opinion on it, Rare obviously has theirs. Unfortunately for those who do edit the confit to allow 120 FoV, Rare considers that a bannable thing apparently.

Also, here is a link to that thread I “pulled out of my butt”

https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/136003/120-fov/6

@kommodoreyenser that mod says that, yet I just read the entire xbox tos again. Absolutely nothing mentioning editing of game files whatsoever. And yet again, they say that "It's an advantage". No, it isn't
In fact overall it's a disadvantage.

Here's the entire "cheating" section for reference

vii. Harmful behavior has no place on Xbox

Cheating, tampering, and the use of exploits

Since competition is best when it’s fair, a level playing field is one of the most important requirements for gaming. When people cheat, use exploits, or otherwise tamper with hardware or software to gain a competitive advantage, it ruins the experience for everyone. Because of this, cheating, tampering, and the use of exploits is never acceptable in the Xbox community. Like, never.

Use “mods” in games that do not allow modded content
Use a glitch that lets you use your character outside of a multiplayer map
Use specialized software to gain unfair advantage over other players
Use Xbox services with modified or tampered hardware
Manipulate game stats to gain a competitive advantage against other players
Use multiple profiles to unfairly manipulate your multiplayer rank
Try to circumvent in-game economies through “money drop lobbies”
Use unauthorized hardware or accessories
Use exploits to “duplicate” in-game items
Intentionally play with or support someone who uses harmful or inappropriate mods
Intentionally “teamkill” other players

"Tampering" = "Use Xbox services with modified or tampered hardware"

I also find it hilarious that they don't care about players using various exploits in this game, yet they care so much about an fov increase that doesn't give you an advantage and isn't actually against tos to do. The double standard is real.

@punchytootle you and Yaboi are going after the wrong person if you are trying to argue with me about Rare banning for one thing and not the other.

I would personally ban for config edits outside of the allowed options of the in-game menu, exploiting security vulnerabilities to use 3rd party software (aka ESP and aim-bot cheats), willful use of exploits (known and not yet fixed or otherwise)

Literally all of these provide some sort of advantage (no matter the size) beyond what an average user has access to via the game itself or creates an unintended advantage that the developers did not intend.

Ultimately it comes down to:

1 - Does it fit any of these categories?
2 - Can it be detected?

As far as 120 FoV, if it includes modifying any file in the SoT folder of Steam's Commonapps library, then yes. A simple scan during initial SoT boot and boom, there is an easy detection and ban.

A more lenient stance I expressed in another one of these threads is that since "120 FoV is no advantage" that Rare should just match make everyone who is 90 and less FoV separate from 91+ FoV similar to Xbox w/controller only vs all others servers and all is fair. Since after all you don't mind if you only played against others who also did the same editing you did....I honestly want to see more developers do this like they did with Warzone and dumping all the aim-botters into their own games haha. It is honestly the ultimate way to ban as most bans only temporarily stop these people.

@kommodoreyenser the only thing is 120 fov doesn't give an advantage. It just doesn't. It actually is a disadvantage to use because it creates a fisheye effect. The only reason people like Iron use it is because it feels better to use. The 90 fov restriction makes things claustrophobic.

Overall, Rare needs to state publicly what the heck their plan is. The tos are vague enough that both sides have an argument, so they really need to clear things up.

@punchytootle said in Thoughts on 120 FOV...:

@kommodoreyenser the only thing is 120 fov doesn't give an advantage. It just doesn't. It actually is a disadvantage to use because it creates a fisheye effect. The only reason people like Iron use it is because it feels better to use. The 90 fov restriction makes things claustrophobic.

I have stated the whole fish eye thing in another argument as well as to why it is ill-advised to even try it.

However to discount the ~30% increase in viewable area and awareness is absolutely a HUGE advantage vs another player who has absolutely no way of increasing the FoV themselves. That's like saying a player with radar but no ESP is not really at an advantage. They can't really see you but know you are there, just slightly outside of a normal players FoV....that is just stupid...

There is also no way of telling who is running an ultrawide monitor and running 120 FoV because 21:9 aspect ratio would completely remove the one disadvantage you are bringing up.

@punchytootle if you feel like it's better then it's obvious an advantage. You get to see 30% more then any other player so that's also unfair.

Let's get past the "FOV isn't an advantage tho."
The point is that everyone has access to "exploits," while only certain players have access to FOV over 90.
Advantage or not, modifying FOV is giving yourself access to something that others don't have access to.
On top of that, Rare said not to do it; it is a bannable offense. Stop saying "but that's dumb" and deal with it. It just takes one salty noob to report you for hacking (and you're not) for Rare to see that you've changed your FOV and ban you.

If you're worried about streamers/youtubers getting special treatment on FOV exploits, then report them. Rare just doesn't know in most cases.

Personally, I don't know if I would prefer higher FOV. I've played the game for 3 years now on 90 FOV, and so it is processed in my mind as just my normal vision.

I don't understand how people can be shown that what they are doing is wrong and bannable and they still get up and argue that they're in the right. Accept the fact that 120FoV is bannable and move on.

Microsoft’s Intelectual Property Terms of Use: “Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.”

Does this cover it? Modifying a SoT file breaches the Intelectual Property Terms of Use.

Update for all you following this thread. OP (if he is the same skinypickl on Twitch) runs a 3440 ultrawide monitor. 120 FoV in this case give no fish eye and just provides more peripheral vision. As stated, no downsides. However, I can understand his pov a bit better now since on an ultrawide monitor, 90 FoV would seem a bit viewing window-ish. This is why 16:9 ratio is still the best for gaming though, many games still do not support 21:9 and now 32:9.

@stundorn never said I changed my stance on editing to achieve it, just that I understand why he might want it given how things look with 90fov and 21:9 aspect ratio.

You can understand someone’s position and not agree with it.

@yaboiskinypickl it's your Field of View. You can see 120° around you, a third-turn, when everyone else can see 90° around them, a quarter turn.

A player with 360° could see all around them at once. A player with say, 1° could only see a sliver.

You are cheating by seeing more of your surroundings than is allowed normally, and I suggest you change that seeing as you just revealed yourself publicly.

this is how it looks when you are pulling the capstan rather than pushing it on 90 fov.
if anyone changed the value of that config file, please share a screenie, I'm just curious how it looks with 120 fov. I remember in Blood 2 you could zoom out from first person perspective to be revealed as two floating arms xD hella creepy and breaks immersion.

my only argument regarding 120 fov it it's ugly and confusing. stuff in front of you appear to be farther than it actually is and the side of your view is weirdly stretched and it's nothing like our fov irl. it's just weird and gives me e-sport fast paced fps vibes which doesn't belong to the setting of this game imo.