Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure

@greengrimz Over the past 3 weeks I've sent out 4 reports. 1 for being abusive/vulgar in voice chat, 3 for utilizing modified files (120 FOV) in game. With exception of the latest one all others have, as notified by rare support, taken action upon. And among 3 of those, magically are back on their feet with a new account within less than a week, doing the exact same thing again. The 'griefing/sabotaging' part is a rare occasion, sure, but still not a desirable thing to exist.

I'm not talking about "bwueeeh you're better you must be cheating!" kind of accusations, I'm talking about idiots who literally show they are cheating on a stream/video.

And no, 120 FOV isn't 'objectively' irrelevant, it literally enables you to see more of your surroundings than any other can. And the fact is that it's only achieved by modifying your game files, only able to be done via steam, meaning it's a literal advantage you get above Xbox users, or PC users who got the game via Microsoft store.

You don't need to "agree" with it. Fact is; it shouldn't be there, period. It's against the rules, Rare actively bans people who does it, but the bans need to be more meaningful as it can be way too easily undermined.

@kapitein-kater quick question. How are you verifying people are indeed using modified files running 120 FoV?

Are you running scans of their computer?
Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV? (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

I am only asking because as someone who has been false banned in the past from other games due to salty reports, I truly would like to know how people are determining this with evidence.

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

Yep, they do. They're idiot enough to show videos of having distorted camera dimensions while occasionally showing their IGN by chatting or opening Inventory. But they don't care. They got masses of accounts, meaning they're fully aware that what they do is wrong, but can't be harmed by the fact how easy it is to negate a permanent ban.

@kapitein-kater said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

Yep, they do. They're idiot enough to show videos of having distorted camera dimensions while occasionally showing their IGN by chatting or opening Inventory. But they don't care. They got masses of accounts, meaning they're fully aware that what they do is wrong, but can't be harmed by the fact how easy it is to negate a permanent ban.

Never mind then, they truly deserve a ban.

@kapitein-kater said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

Yep, they do. They're idiot enough to show videos of having distorted camera dimensions while occasionally showing their IGN by chatting or opening Inventory. But they don't care. They got masses of accounts, meaning they're fully aware that what they do is wrong, but can't be harmed by the fact how easy it is to negate a permanent ban.

It’s not a distorted camera LOL. 120 FoV just let’s you your surroundings slightly better. Almost every game has the option to use 120 fov but SoT doesn’t and only has 90 as max and for some people it isn’t enough. I believe personally that Rare should let us get up to 100 FoV at least.

@illbushido305 It's not about ethics having wider view but about breaking TOS of xbox (modifying game files) And I'm 100% up for rare increasing FoV.

@illbushido305 said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

Yep, they do. They're idiot enough to show videos of having distorted camera dimensions while occasionally showing their IGN by chatting or opening Inventory. But they don't care. They got masses of accounts, meaning they're fully aware that what they do is wrong, but can't be harmed by the fact how easy it is to negate a permanent ban.

It’s not a distorted camera LOL. 120 FoV just let’s you your surroundings slightly better. Almost every game has the option to use 120 fov but SoT doesn’t and only has 90 as max and for some people it isn’t enough. I believe personally that Rare should let us get up to 100 FoV at least.

I said it's RECOGNIZABLE by the off camera angles, and by the arm models revealing clipped/untextured parts of the model, parts that the user normally wouldn't see.

But you literally just admitted why it's an advantage. It helps you see your surroundings better. As well, it thins out our gun models, making the ADS be a bit thinner - therefore, more accurate to read/aim - of your guns. This option isn't provided by Rare itself, and is limited only to steam clients, meaning it's an advantage used through unintentional means that other major parts of the community can't get.

@illbushido305 said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

Do you have YouTube video of their gamer tag visible and running 120 FoV (should be fish eyed pretty bad on non-ultra wide resolution)

Yep, they do. They're idiot enough to show videos of having distorted camera dimensions while occasionally showing their IGN by chatting or opening Inventory. But they don't care. They got masses of accounts, meaning they're fully aware that what they do is wrong, but can't be harmed by the fact how easy it is to negate a permanent ban.

It’s not a distorted camera LOL. 120 FoV just let’s you your surroundings slightly better. Almost every game has the option to use 120 fov but SoT doesn’t and only has 90 as max and for some people it isn’t enough. I believe personally that Rare should let us get up to 100 FoV at least.

Lol if you are going over 90 FoV in 16:9 ratio, I would love to see a video without fisheye. 100-120 is 21:9 ratio territory.

@schwammlgott said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater sagte in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@greengrimz Over the past 3 weeks I've sent out 4 reports. 1 for being abusive/vulgar in voice chat, 3 for utilizing modified files (120 FOV) in game. With exception of the latest one all others have, as notified by rare support, taken action upon. And among 3 of those, magically are back on their feet with a new account within less than a week, doing the exact same thing again. The 'griefing/sabotaging' part is a rare occasion, sure, but still not a desirable thing to exist.

I'm not talking about "bwueeeh you're better you must be cheating!" kind of accusations, I'm talking about idiots who literally show they are cheating on a stream/video.

And no, 120 FOV isn't 'objectively' irrelevant, it literally enables you to see more of your surroundings than any other can. And the fact is that it's only achieved by modifying your game files, only able to be done via steam, meaning it's a literal advantage you get above Xbox users, or PC users who got the game via Microsoft store.

You don't need to "agree" with it. Fact is; it shouldn't be there, period. It's against the rules, Rare actively bans people who does it, but the bans need to be more meaningful as it can be way too easily undermined.

How do you know 3 came back with a new account after a week? Are you a stalker? Did you hack theyr IP to see what they are doing?
This is irritating, and really, I think you are overreacting...

...because they uploaded more content using a different account/IGN? Or because they literally BRAGGED about it? If you had read the above messages this answer shouldn't have needed a question, that was super obvious to percept.

@schwammlgott said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater so a stalker you are?
Anyway, what could Rare do about that? Nothing, just ban the new account again...

Encountering youtube videos in your youtube feed equates being a stalker, 'kay.

And yes, "what could Rare do about that"... that's LITERALLY what this post is talking about. What are you even doing here if the main two points of this entire thread, elaborated in multiple posts, have completely evaded you?...

@schwammlgott I'm not saying that yellowbeard offenses should be permanent bans, nor did I mention any IP bans.

I just said that, if someone is redbearded (permanently banned), either because of utilizing third party programs, modified files, or repeatedly being disrespectful to others, that they actually feel a punishment that can't be negated by just creating a different microsoft account.

@schwammlgott said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater you didn't mention IP, but that's the only real thing to do, if they keep on making new accounts...

People can change IP adresses or just use VPN's, so that's equally as useless.

@schwammlgott Hence, read my suggestion. Tie the bans to whatever account they used to buy/launch Sea of Thieves with, the one you literally connect your SoT/Xbox account to in order to play. Sure, they can still return, but they'd have to buy the game all over again on a fresh steam / MS Store account.

@schwammlgott Nope. Currently, only your Xbox live account gets disabled from accessing Sea of Thieves. You literally only need to make an Xbox Live account to access the game, without having to purchase or obtain the game again.

@banditjackk said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

People can change IP adresses or just use VPN's, so that's equally as useless.

So are you suggesting Hardware bans? Because even if they had to buy the game again, they could buy a CD Key for as little as $2.

How precisely? Cause the cheapest Sea of Thieves copy you can find on G2A is 26 dollars.

@banditjackk said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kapitein-kater
G2G is cheaper ;)
They sell steam accounts with copies of the game already bought, whereas G2A sell you a code to use on your own account.
However, with steam you can gameshare, meaning you can use a different steam account to play, with a different Microsoft account to link it with. Meaning even if they banned the steam account linked with the MS account, they’d still be able to play with a different steam account thanks to gamesharing.
Hope that’s easy to understand, not great at explaining stuff.

Point remains, though. Then bans will mean much more than a "whelp, guess I'll create a new microsoft account".

HWID bans do nothing to people with multiple drives as well. You just Raid0 and bypass it. They honestly have to come up with something (speaking globally not just Rare/SoT) if they want bans for cheating to be a permanent thing.

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

HWID bans do nothing to people with multiple drives as well. You just Raid0 and bypass it. They honestly have to come up with something (speaking globally not just Rare/SoT) if they want bans for cheating to be a permanent thing.

I mean, semi-permanent isn't a bad start, in the sense of that you have to re-purchase the entire game. Like, if you really want to restart the game, you can buy the game again (which in turn, helps fund Rare for their game too) but you still got to start over.

@banditjackk said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

@kommodoreyenser said in Rare needs to handle repeat-offenders using this meassure:

HWID bans do nothing to people with multiple drives as well. You just Raid0 and bypass it. They honestly have to come up with something (speaking globally not just Rare/SoT) if they want bans for cheating to be a permanent thing.

Could be a start though: if you want a second chance, you’d have to purchase another drive.

Most PC's have 2 drives already. You can re-raid 0 them each time, removing the requirement for a new hard drive. Personally I think it would be better to have unique identifiers of the CPU/GPU to be banned. Harder and more costly to get around that.