Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything

  • The mechanics of Vaults of Ancients punishes you for not first googling the solution. If you mess up, you get drowned and locked out of the vault. No feedback from the game, just death and 100% progress lost.

    In an immersive game that is all about exploration and adventuring, wasting an hour (give or take) of your players time because they didn't minimize the game to google new content is about as backwards as it comes. Game is punishing you for staying in the game and trying out the new content natively.

    I'm a 'pirate legend' (with all the hours behind how long it takes to reach that rank) and this is my first post on the forums. I don't bring this up as any sort of accomplishment, just to convey how infuriating wasting time on this content was, it's motivated me to waste more time writing this post.

    For those unaware, after up to an hour of mindless fetch questing you unlock VoA. It's a pillar puzzle straight out of Skyrim, it's easy enough to figure out the basics going in completely blind. Unlike Skyrim (or any other adventure game that shoehorns in puzzles) however, this one will almost instantly kill you and wipe ALL progress if you get the pillars wrong. Even worse, it only gives you the solution to 3 out of 4 pillars, so in our first run through, we didn't even realise there was a 4th pillar, because we were only looking for 3 to match the clues. You are indirectly given the solution to the 4th pillar, but I didn't see any in game hints revealing the rule, I only know because of my rage-googling post death. There very well may be a book or an engraving we missed - but because the game instantly kills you instead of just not opening the vault, we didn't even get a chance to further investigate.

    This is why the mechanics are so badly designed. You invest all the time upfront, only to have that all wasted because you played the game without googling. You were immersed and experimental with new content, so you get killed.

    Please add some sort of feedback that isn't just straight getting drowned and locked out of the vault, we literally quit for the night because we wasted so much time doing boring content without any payoff.

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  • @taylor-mb7704 same thing happened to me, I've been playing since launch, I'd never say I'm the best but I've never had problems parkouring and solbving puzzles but these vaults are something different. But maybe I'm just getting rusty.

    I was at St cresent's vault. Couldn't see a single ladder, had to do multiple sword lunges and get each one perfect in order to reach the top of the vault only to realise one of the keys is un-gettable due it being on some rocks to steep to stand on.

    Unfortunately googling the walkthrough of this game has been made way to easy, within the first hour of an update you get dozens of walkthoughs and tutorials its almost impossible to miss. Its a shame cause there are so many people who never even try and just follow the guides almost robotic like.

  • isn't the point of a riddle to figure it out with trial and error and feeling the sweet taste of victory after the bitterness of failure?

    Handholding in questing kills adventure

    and I dunno what the 100% loss thing is about you get commendation credit for the key and the vault and getting loot outside the door while you see the door slowly closing is about as obvious as something can get

  • @taylor-mb7704 I felt it was easy enough. we have had these pillar puzzles in the game for awhile now. Ive had no trouble grabbing the tribute chest, solo or with a crew.

    Maybe, just maybe, it's okay to lose sometimes. you live and learn and hopefully you have better luck next time.

    also i have not read or watched a guide to this content.

  • Just because you failed once, doesnt make it a poor design. Just a poor player and poor sport who jumped off the bridge before looking.

    Everyone is in the same boat, some maybe smart enough to realize...the 4 pillars and only 3 are given to you.
    4th pillar has 4 sides, so you have about 4 random shots to rotate and press button. Not hard or difficult. (Yeah you can use the three others to figure out the fourth, but dont tell everyone yet)

    If you failed, oh well. Do it again.
    Might even get lucky and first page have the X on it and skip straight to it.
    For a "PL" who claims, you having this much trouble...I question the worth of the title.

  • Anyone else remember playing video games when you didn't have Google and the Internet to fall back on. You just had to figure it out or talk to friends at school that by chance had the same game and you worked together to figure it out. Ahhhhh......the good ol days!

  • FYI, “PL with all the hours behind to get there,” amounts to these days playing for about 40 hours if you aren’t in an alliance.

    This amounts to barely being accustomed to the game and far from a master of all its mechanics.

    The vaults are super easy and many have completely emptied vaults already. Not being able to get JUST the ancient chest means you need more practice. People have no problems getting that chest out in the first 60 seconds.

  • @taylor-mb7704 said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    I'm a 'pirate legend' (with all the hours behind how long it takes to reach that rank) and this is my first post on the forums. I don't bring this up as any sort of accomplishment, just to convey how infuriating wasting time on this content was, it's motivated me to waste more time writing this post.

    You have only completed 28 voyages how have you got Pirate Legend already?

  • @kommodoreyenser said:

    FYI, “PL with all the hours behind to get there,” amounts to these days playing for about 40 hours if you aren’t in an alliance.

    This amounts to barely being accustomed to the game and far from a master of all its mechanics.

    I seriously can't see how this can happen.. Myself and my son put easily 2 - 3 hundred hours in over 3 - 4 months during lockdown before we got there.. The last day alone was a 17 hour marathon for just a very few levels in the roar.. We ended up pretty ratty with each other lol..

    We only had 2 Athena runs in that time though when we sailed with a PL friend, the rest was regular grind.

  • @taylor-mb7704 You appear to be overlooking a few things. The voyage quest itself is for the key, once you obtain it the voyage is complete. You then have the choice to either cash in the key or risk going to the vault.

    The vault has a timer from when you enter it, which is signified by the door slowly closing as time passes. Messing up the puzzle also doesn't effect anything, and it can still be completed if the wrong solution is entered.

    I'm not sure which walkthrough you've been reading, but it must have been really bad to have left out this information.

  • @wagstr without going into it too deep, pick gold hoarder or Order of Souls emissary, buy a bunch of ashen voyages, only do maps that have 3-4 X’s or 3-4 captains on it. Cancel voyage after doing those and then repeat. Once you do this enough to get a grade 5 flag, grab voyage, lower and raise flag, repeat previous steps to get grade 5 again.

    Once you do this for a couple hours, you should have several 5 X maps or 4 villainous captains that are all on a single island. Picking up 20+ captains chests or 16-20 villainous skulls will again get you another grade 5 flag. Sell all and lower flag at the end of your 5-6 hour session. Doing each of these twice will net you near level 50 with the emissary bonuses. That’s about 24 hours of gameplay. Also note this can be faster if you have a crew mate with access to the higher level quests.

    For merchants, the absolute fastest way is to farm FotD. Finishing it every 20 minutes (best to have a galleon crew for this speed) nets you at least 2 bone dust and 4 megas (5-6 if you can kill the megas that spawn on the wave before the boss). With the emissary bonus from merchants, this is big in both rep and gold.

    A new option to this is flame heart fleets which give you a ton of each type of loot all valued at least 1k each before emissary bonus.

    I have physically done this after having to reset my character back in the day. This was before FotD and the emissary system. Took my about 60 hours basically living in the roar. The only difference is back then you could do all the bilge rats stuff for doubloons and buy as many levels as you wanted, which I did the last 6 of each faction.

  • @kommodoreyenser

    Oh, I suppose I am kind of pleased I didn't do it like that. Wouldn't have had a fraction of the fun and adventure we had along the way..

    It's also kind of assuming you are already experienced and have reset your pirate like you did or are sailing with experienced crew members. We had to learn how to play the game, learn how to defend ourselves, learn how to run and also grow another pair of eyes in our backsides during this time..

  • @wagstr yeah, it’s a lot more fun (variety of ways to gain levels with the same faction) and faster now than it ever was before. Before the roar was even introduced, it was a repetitive nightmare.

    Having experience certainly helps, especially how to max efficiency on leveling. I have a hyper focus issue so it’s best for my brain that I pick one goal and complete it. It has its pros and cons.

  • I did it without googling, are we really asking to nerf such a 2 year old child puzzle? 😐

  • Neither my crewmate nor I are pirate legends, and we managed to complete two vaults last night without any kind of google search or tutorial.

  • Indiana Jones nor Captain Jack Sparrow ever "googled" information on traps in vaults.

  • @oran-of-urz said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    Indiana Jones nor Captain Jack Sparrow ever "googled" information on traps in vaults.

    lol - I love this

  • I have done about 18 of these and there are many who have more. they are not hard, they are not impossible you just have to be quick as you only get about three min to finish. focus on medallions and then loot. I wouldn't suggest doing this solo as it is tough, but not impossible, to get done.

  • Lets see my first vault was the learning experience went in figured out how it worked didnt get much... Next few times fully looted everything gold piles and all. Its really easy... Maybe do it more tham once... If you have and still havent figured it out well thats on you

  • Wait to be clear their is no 4th symbol? I've been just pressing the button and turning it till it opens. I've only failed once done about 15 btw

  • The 4 symbol is a combo of the first 3 mystery solved

  • @slickwillywonka tho you dont have to figure that out and just spin the 4th like a mad man and press the solution. xD
    I figured the collection of the first three on my 3rd vault after doing the lazy way of just spinning the last one until it worked for the first two vaults.

  • @weststormborn said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    @slickwillywonka tho you dont have to figure that out and just spin the 4th like a mad man and press the solution. xD
    I figured the collection of the first three on my 3rd vault after doing the lazy way of just spinning the last one until it worked for the first two vaults.

    Most of the time I can't find the third coin, so I use the possible fourth symbol(s) to find the third one 😎.

  • @lem0n-curry ah yes the biggest brain among us

  • @taylor-mb7704

    When I first bought Sea of Thieves, I had no idea that this game had a PvP aspect. Personally, I don’t like PvP and I tolerate it.

    As for the vault itself, you can have a successful vault run and get attacked by PvP and loose everything.

    I had to figure out how to properly use the treasure vault. And I had a couple of failed attempts my first time. I simply asked others on the forums and or google how to play certain events on video games.

  • @oran-of-urz said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    Indiana Jones nor Captain Jack Sparrow ever "googled" information on traps in vaults.

    Indiana Jones did research before he left. Ever notice he had a notebook with him? He's still an archaeologist.

    Jack Sparrow has idiot luck lol.

    The vaults are multilayered so people of different skills can get something out of it.

  • I just failed once then understood how it worked. If you did the first Tall Tale you would've known what to do. Instead of whining you could've used your failure to learn.

  • I found these incredibly easy.
    After the second vault it became even easier when realising only one medallion was actually needed, as there is only a limited amount of solutions.

  • did a vault yesterday found all medaillons ,and tried every combination from the last one nothing worked.then i realized the beacon werent on fire(but it was to late).yes it is awfull game design,its even not fun searching this stupid medaillons under time pressure,and the best thing vault of ancients just worth for the ancient chest for unlock the cosmetics, but i dont see a reason doin that voyages,i make more when i just pick up random loot on shores ,that game is so out of balance

  • @pabio-escobar said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    I found these incredibly easy.
    After the second vault it became even easier when realising only one medallion was actually needed, as there is only a limited amount of solutions.

    Yeah I've done over 50 now and I just use 1 medallion at this point

    Which I'd actually recommend for people that struggle with the climbing and jumping around to find them all. Just find one or two the 4th is actually gonna tell the riddle after the first so it's really all that's needed and only takes seconds after getting used to it

    This allows plenty of time to get the loot out including when solo.

  • @slickwillywonka I just for some reason can never find the third medallion. Any tips on how to spot it?

  • @sashashadowhive watch the necros mate. But you don't need any medallions to solve the puzzles. hit me up or tag me in a new post and I will gladly elaborate on how to do the puzzle.

  • @burnbacon said in Vaults of Ancients is Terribly Designed - do not attempt without reading a guide or you'll lose everything:

    4th pillar has 4 sides, so you have about 4 random shots to rotate and press button. Not hard or difficult. (Yeah you can use the three others to figure out the fourth, but dont tell everyone yet)

    secret: don't tell anyone
    -leans in to whisper-
    you can use the 4th pillar to figure out the other 3 without using any medallions and usually much quicker than finding all the medallions.

    -ahem- i mean, uh, nothing to see here. move along

    (EDIT: another necro? man. ppl need to stop that. also threads should auto lock after 30 days of no messages)

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