Rare and exploits

  • Rare has recently asked the community to refrain from sharing exploits and bugs within their game, but this approach seems problematic given their history. Rare has often been slow to address issues until they become widespread, which only fuels frustration among players. The risk now is that this will create a more insular community where these exploits are known but not shared, leading to further imbalances.

    Rare has rarely, if ever, enforced bans for exploits. Consider past issues like the crud launch, silent boarding, and the ability to fast swap by tapping the shift key when switching weapons—these were left unchecked for far too long. While I fully support the idea of promoting fair play, Rare’s slow response to these issues—whether through hotfixes or temporarily shutting down servers—undermines their efforts. They often allow players to exploit these issues for weeks or even months before taking action, and there is seldom immediate communication about whether a fix or ban is forthcoming.

    If Rare truly wants to curb the use of exploits, they need to take a more proactive approach. This includes thoroughly reviewing their code, acting quickly to resolve issues, taking responsibility for the game’s integrity, and enforcing penalties for those who abuse these exploits. Without these steps, their current approach is unlikely to yield the desired results.

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  • @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    If Rare truly wants to curb the use of exploits, they need to take a more proactive approach. This includes thoroughly reviewing their code, acting quickly to resolve issues, taking responsibility for the game’s integrity, and enforcing penalties for those who abuse these exploits. Without these steps, their current approach is unlikely to yield the desired results.

    They did all of this.

    I've been very critical of the cheating that happened but also encouraged people to see what they were going to do about it.

    Imo they delivered and did what they could reasonably do.

    I didn't feel confident after the shipwreck exploit. I didn't feel confident about season 11. Season 13 was the worst case of it out in the open so to me I wanted to see how they were gonna handle that. Imo they did everything they should have done.

    One thing I strongly believe in is not moving the goal posts for people when criticizing something that happened. Nit picking is discouraging in times like these. They did a good job on this, the messaging is strong, the action appears to be strong. We are in a good spot moving forward, imo.

  • @wolfmanbush what was season 13?

  • @die-gute-doc said in Rare and exploits:

    @wolfmanbush what was season 13?

    Duping exploits. The ones I know about are Burning Blade dupe exploits.

  • A third of today's video is about removing all the gold earned by exploiters and threatening bans in the future. They seem to want to be more proactive about it.

  • @kezmur good on them

  • @wolfmanbush said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    If Rare truly wants to curb the use of exploits, they need to take a more proactive approach. This includes thoroughly reviewing their code, acting quickly to resolve issues, taking responsibility for the game’s integrity, and enforcing penalties for those who abuse these exploits. Without these steps, their current approach is unlikely to yield the desired results.

    They did all of this.

    I've been very critical of the cheating that happened but also encouraged people to see what they were going to do about it.

    Imo they delivered and did what they could reasonably do.

    I didn't feel confident after the shipwreck exploit. I didn't feel confident about season 11. Season 13 was the worst case of it out in the open so to me I wanted to see how they were gonna handle that. Imo they did everything they should have done.

    One thing I strongly believe in is not moving the goal posts for people when criticizing something that happened. Nit picking is discouraging in times like these. They did a good job on this, the messaging is strong, the action appears to be strong. We are in a good spot moving forward, imo.

    @wolfmanbush It has been frustrating to see how slow the response has been regarding exploits. Other companies like Blizzard, for example, are much more proactive—they quickly shut down servers, issue hotfixes, or cancel events as needed. Instead, they take days to even do anything about it or saying anything. In contrast, the delay in addressing any exploit, let alone taking any action against players who are using it, has been disappointing.

    I have openly used the crud launch and plan to continue doing so, especially since it's been made clear that no bans or punishments will be issued for using it. This is the third time in a row that this exploit has surfaced, and it’s concerning that it hasn’t been resolved yet. A more timely and effective response is necessary to maintain player trust and the integrity of the game.

  • @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    I have openly used the crud launch and plan to continue doing so, especially since it's been made clear that no bans or punishments will be issued for using it. This is the third time in a row that this exploit has surfaced, and it’s concerning that it hasn’t been resolved yet. A more timely and effective response is necessary to maintain player trust and the integrity of the game.

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    It's an interesting choice to openly use exploits while criticizing exploits and admitting it when they just said they are getting tired of it, are going to hold people accountable, and it's on the player to make fair play decisions.

    I've never done it and I'll never do it and I recommend that others do the same. It's not worth it. It'll never be worth it.

    Nobody that tells the community that this stuff is ok is looking out for them. They don't care if anyone gets banned. They won't be a support system if someone does. They are in it for themselves, their drama, their beefs, their attention, their personal gain. There is no winning when engaging in stuff that goes against fair play.

  • @wolfmanbush said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    I have openly used the crud launch and plan to continue doing so, especially since it's been made clear that no bans or punishments will be issued for using it. This is the third time in a row that this exploit has surfaced, and it’s concerning that it hasn’t been resolved yet. A more timely and effective response is necessary to maintain player trust and the integrity of the game.

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    It's an interesting choice to openly use exploits while criticizing exploits and admitting it when they just said they are getting tired of it, are going to hold people accountable, and it's on the player to make fair play decisions.

    I've never done it and I'll never do it and I recommend that others do the same. It's not worth it. It'll never be worth it.

    Nobody that tells the community that this stuff is ok is looking out for them. They don't care if anyone gets banned. They won't be a support system if someone does. They are in it for themselves, their drama, their beefs, their attention, their personal gain. There is no winning when engaging in stuff that goes against fair play.

    I’m really frustrated with Rare because, while they tell us not to use certain exploits, they don’t actually do anything about the people who do, and they take way too long to fix the issues. This inaction not only hurts the community but also makes it tempting for others to exploit these problems. Honestly, the only reason I end up using them is because I know there won’t be any consequences, and if I don’t, others will just use them against me. It’s tough to watch the game’s integrity suffer because of this lack of action.

  • @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    I’m really frustrated with Rare because, while they tell us not to use certain exploits, they don’t actually do anything about the people who do, and they take way too long to fix the issues. This inaction not only hurts the community but also makes it tempting for others to exploit these problems. Honestly, the only reason I end up using them is because I know there won’t be any consequences, and if I don’t, others will just use them against me. It’s tough to watch the game’s integrity suffer because of this lack of action.

    Why sacrifice your own as a form of protest? You know it's not right to do. You are passionate about it but you are justifying your own wrong doing. You have a whole lot more to offer than what you are doing.

    If you stick to a path where you encourage and inspire others to keep it clean, you've done your part. You are contributing in a way that matters for the better.

    If you exploit to make a point you put your account in some risk, you are showing those around you that it doesn't matter. That people should just do whatever when they get frustrated.

    That's the frustration, that's not you. You know what is right in this situation. You are leading by example in all that you do, it just makes sense to stay true to your principles, even when it's frustrating, even when it's difficult. You don't have to do what others are doing. It's a choice. You'll never regret putting in effort to preserve your own integrity.

  • @wolfmanbush said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    I’m really frustrated with Rare because, while they tell us not to use certain exploits, they don’t actually do anything about the people who do, and they take way too long to fix the issues. This inaction not only hurts the community but also makes it tempting for others to exploit these problems. Honestly, the only reason I end up using them is because I know there won’t be any consequences, and if I don’t, others will just use them against me. It’s tough to watch the game’s integrity suffer because of this lack of action.

    Why sacrifice your own as a form of protest? You know it's not right to do. You are passionate about it but you are justifying your own wrong doing. You have a whole lot more to offer than what you are doing.

    If you stick to a path where you encourage and inspire others to keep it clean, you've done your part. You are contributing in a way that matters for the better.

    If you exploit to make a point you put your account in some risk, you are showing those around you that it doesn't matter. That people should just do whatever when they get frustrated.

    That's the frustration, that's not you. You know what is right in this situation. You are leading by example in all that you do, it just makes sense to stay true to your principles, even when it's frustrating, even when it's difficult. You don't have to do what others are doing. It's a choice. You'll never regret putting in effort to preserve your own integrity.

    It’s frustrating that Rare seems to prioritize fixing PvE issues far more quickly than PvP ones. They consistently take their time addressing PvP exploits, and it feels like they’re not giving the same level of attention to those problems. Take the recent BB exploit, for example it did take 3 days for a hot fix but why didn’t they disable the event immediately? That would have minimized the damage and prevented a lot of issues from escalating. Instead, they just took away some rep and gold, but no real penalties, like temporary bans. They should have made press release video stating that anyone who uses these would receive more than just rep and gold loss.

    If they were more proactive in dealing with these situations, the game would be in a much better state.

  • I think there should be more than account rollbacks. Particularly for partners who used and encouraged the use. Insider Privileges revoked. Loss of certain cosmetics and the ability to re earn them. Level caps.

  • When Rare stated that they are not enforcing any punishment for the use of certain exploits, a lot of the community took that as 'fair game' to incorporate these exploits into their daily gameplay.

    Fishing Rod Exploit, Silent boarding with usable's etc. More and more people began to use these when it went unpunished. "If you can't beat them, join them" is the mentality and rightfully so, as some of the exploits create a huge advantage.

    I will not use any of these as it undermines the integrity of the game, as it's tacky and would spoil any feeling of reward.

    However in saying this, some of the unintended features Rare has stated were fine. One example is boarding on a Gally as it's "something Jack Sparrow would do".

    I think it needs to be made clear which exploits are to remain unintended regardless of punishment.
    For example: Reloading your cannon while reloading your sniper is not intended, but has become a somewhat accepted feature of gameplay.

  • If there are secretive communities exploiting, it will still end with the same results. The more people know about secrets and exploits, the more chance there is for some one to expose it to the devs. I think their word on the matter was really a good thing because it expresses they are not ok with it and is the first full and proper warning they have given on the matter as a whole.

  • @xziraider if they disabled the event they would've had a situation where momentum from a new season would be lost as the new thing from the update is gone. People got their fun but they got burned for it. Even if rare is slow the consequences of people's actions have and will continue to come.

  • @ravenclaw214 said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider if they disabled the event they would've had a situation where momentum from a new season would be lost as the new thing from the update is gone. People got their fun but they got burned for it. Even if rare is slow the consequences of people's actions have and will continue to come.

    That is not true, many game companies take thing away for hotfixes all the time. Blizzard has done tons of times over World of Warcraft.
    I would rather them stop and fix, so we don't get shoddy half-baked updates.

  • Personally, I think rare set a bad precedent by allowing streamers and you tubers to post tutorials on exploits for years without being banned. I wish they had made official statements early in the games development saying that they would suspend if not ban players for exploiting bugs.

    20,000 players caught with illgotten gains is pretty insane considering how new the season is and how quickly it was patched.

    Every single person that made a video tutorial should be permanently banned.

  • They have a team now called "Game Health" that has been created for fixing this bugs as soon as possible. They actually did a live hotfix to prevent people for exploiting.

    What I'm really surprised is that everybody called it an exploit (Youtube, X,...) and now they are crying because Rare took action against that use. It was absolutely reasonable that they would punish the players and they kept abusing it.

  • @cainbong said in Rare and exploits:

    When Rare stated that they are not enforcing any punishment for the use of certain exploits, a lot of the community took that as 'fair game' to incorporate these exploits into their daily gameplay.

    Fishing Rod Exploit, Silent boarding with usable's etc. More and more people began to use these when it went unpunished. "If you can't beat them, join them" is the mentality and rightfully so, as some of the exploits create a huge advantage.

    I will not use any of these as it undermines the integrity of the game, as it's tacky and would spoil any feeling of reward.

    However in saying this, some of the unintended features Rare has stated were fine. One example is boarding on a Gally as it's "something Jack Sparrow would do".

    I think it needs to be made clear which exploits are to remain unintended regardless of punishment.
    For example: Reloading your cannon while reloading your sniper is not intended, but has become a somewhat accepted feature of gameplay.

    If the exploit is unintended and they don't want it in the game, they need to fix it immediately rather than leaving it unaddressed for weeks. They should also issue a clear statement as soon as possible, warning players that using the exploit will be punishable.

  • @capt-pilotes said in Rare and exploits:

    They have a team now called "Game Health" that has been created for fixing this bugs as soon as possible. They actually did a live hotfix to prevent people for exploiting.

    What I'm really surprised is that everybody called it an exploit (Youtube, X,...) and now they are crying because Rare took action against that use. It was absolutely reasonable that they would punish the players and they kept abusing it.

    Hopefully, they'll begin addressing exploits and bugs more promptly. I've never seen any game company, except Rare, allow exploits to run rampant without fixing them, making a press statement, and taking action against those who abuse them.

  • @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    @cainbong said in Rare and exploits:

    When Rare stated that they are not enforcing any punishment for the use of certain exploits, a lot of the community took that as 'fair game' to incorporate these exploits into their daily gameplay.

    Fishing Rod Exploit, Silent boarding with usable's etc. More and more people began to use these when it went unpunished. "If you can't beat them, join them" is the mentality and rightfully so, as some of the exploits create a huge advantage.

    I will not use any of these as it undermines the integrity of the game, as it's tacky and would spoil any feeling of reward.

    However in saying this, some of the unintended features Rare has stated were fine. One example is boarding on a Gally as it's "something Jack Sparrow would do".

    I think it needs to be made clear which exploits are to remain unintended regardless of punishment.
    For example: Reloading your cannon while reloading your sniper is not intended, but has become a somewhat accepted feature of gameplay.

    If the exploit is unintended and they don't want it in the game, they need to fix it immediately rather than leaving it unaddressed for weeks. They should also issue a clear statement as soon as possible, warning players that using the exploit will be punishable.

    Weeks ? I guess doing this boring exploit vould make the time passed feel longer, but they actually put up the first patch the weekend after the new Season.

  • @lem0n-curry said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider said in Rare and exploits:

    @cainbong said in Rare and exploits:

    When Rare stated that they are not enforcing any punishment for the use of certain exploits, a lot of the community took that as 'fair game' to incorporate these exploits into their daily gameplay.

    Fishing Rod Exploit, Silent boarding with usable's etc. More and more people began to use these when it went unpunished. "If you can't beat them, join them" is the mentality and rightfully so, as some of the exploits create a huge advantage.

    I will not use any of these as it undermines the integrity of the game, as it's tacky and would spoil any feeling of reward.

    However in saying this, some of the unintended features Rare has stated were fine. One example is boarding on a Gally as it's "something Jack Sparrow would do".

    I think it needs to be made clear which exploits are to remain unintended regardless of punishment.
    For example: Reloading your cannon while reloading your sniper is not intended, but has become a somewhat accepted feature of gameplay.

    If the exploit is unintended and they don't want it in the game, they need to fix it immediately rather than leaving it unaddressed for weeks. They should also issue a clear statement as soon as possible, warning players that using the exploit will be punishable.

    Weeks ? I guess doing this boring exploit vould make the time passed feel longer, but they actually put up the first patch the weekend after the new Season.

    I'm not just talking about PvE anything that effects PvE, Rare patches sort of quickly. it could have been taking care of in a much better fashion. But examples I'm talking about is crud launching, silent boarding, infante supplies you can get from merchant crates using blunder bombs. Even past exploits when you could hit shift, while double gunning to quick swap and shoot. They let them slide over and over again, with no fix in sight, and they don't punish people for using such things.

  • @xziraider You should check the recent ban wave on Star Citizen Alpha for a money exploit.

    It happens quite often that exploit abusers get punished.

  • @capt-pilotes said in Rare and exploits:

    @xziraider You should check the recent ban wave on Star Citizen Alpha for a money exploit.

    It happens quite often that exploit abusers get punished.

    Indeed, in many games it is common, but Rare seldomly hands out punishments unless they impact PvE.

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