Trying my best to stay positive

  • @freaktmonline
    Who's talking about stopping boarders at the ladder? Im talking about cqc. The point was quite simple: You will not sink my ship if u cant get on board. Its that simple. Any decent player knows this to be true. Do you disagree?

    Whether you use a ladder, cannon launch or ram attack, once a kbm has boarded, an advantage that was not present during ship to ship combat becomes present(unless you count a kbm eye of reach sniping the guy standing dead still looking at a ladder as you describe, in which case, the advantage was always present), and this is the only time that it ever matters. It was a pretty basic point, and i'm sorry if you failed to grasp it...facepalm.

    Also, my post was directly talking about the mast damage and harpoon slowing ships down and increasing boarding opportunities(its not that hard to cannon onto the enemies crowsnest ladder, even easier if they are damaged or harpooned), but you failed to comment on the actual point of my post...much facepalm ;)

    Your following post is then just 'git gud', you just spread it out over a paragraph. Real nice.

    Lol, 'go buy kbm'.
    No, if you want to play with xboxers, heres an idea... Go buy an xbox. But guess what, when you plug your kbm into that xbox, rare's still gonna remove you from my server, coz they know there's a problem.

    Here's a tl:dr for this thread...
    Xbox players express disappointment in rare's timeline/sequence of events.
    PC players deny everything, insult xboxers, try to make them look foolish, and tell them to buy stuff.

    Rare disagrees with you, thats why we are(eventually) getting the opt out choice.

  • @thiefcloud
    “Far out that's a lot of projection. xD OP Literally sat there acting like he had no choice but to suffer with bad controls and made out like we have such an advantage just because we play on pc when that same advantage is available to you as well. I don't care what you do, how play or what control scheme you prefer I'm just gonna point out the obvious when I see it being ignored. Feel free to inject all that other stuff into my simple statement but I've tried using a controller on pc and while i found it avoided a lot of the key lag and missed inputs it just wasn't for me, so sorry for suggesting someone try out K&M for Xbox when they might just prefer it. Honestly it's like your response is in a vacuum.”

    Yes, the original poster was upset obviously, but only mentioned maybe one thing, the x button and than other advantages that the PC does have over the Xbox, whether you want to admit it or not. Always posting on here like a lot of PC players do, just get better, stop whining, use a K+M now that it’s available(before it was adjust your controller sensitivity, always something with Pc players) etc, while offering nothing to help the solution and trying to make console players form more to your likening. You can sit there and say you don’t care how we play, what we use etc, so be it, than Pc players shouldn’t complain when the option for crossplay is put into play, you can play your way with other PC players and I can play my way with other console players. Problem solved, at least one big problem.

  • @bababooey More projection, your really good at that ill give you that much.

  • @thiefcloud
    Lol call it as I see it or I guess read it. I’ve read a lot of the comments and commented on them, been around for a while you know. lol you see it as projection, facts don’t lie right. I mean do you read the stuff on here and actually hon through all the posts etc. Let me guess you pick and choose what you want to read or just read half the post(that’s projection for you by the way). I actually through the stuff etc and what I stated wasn’t projection it’s all over the forum section of Sea Of Thieves as would be expected.

  • @pomalotacusmk3 sea of theives now supports keyboard on xbox and you can easily get an external solid state Drive for sea of theives for the xbox it will cut your loading times and you will load nearly as fast as pc players if not the same.

  • Lol I'm still waiting for my K&M cuz I've always wanted to play SoT on PC but not enough money to purchase one but anyways I hope my experience using that on xbox will help out with some of the frustrations I find on xbox where I cant use the chat box in the upper left corner like PC can.

    If Rare could implement a way fro xbox users to utilize the chat box like how PC players can I could use the xbox app on my phone to text in the chat box cuz it's so much easier to text on a phone too.

  • I'm a pvp focused xbox player and I've dumpstered a lot of PC and xbox players. It's almost like I have a ssd external and got gud instead of complaining about my choice of controls.

  • @gi-jho seems to me you're a troll

  • @bababooey You just can't stop with your judgmental mentality can you? I did read the other comments but those people aren't me, you just sound extremely salty and want to argue with me over stuff other people have said, if you've got an issue with them tell them and don't build it up and drop it on someone who has nothing to do with it. It's literal projection and you come off like your emotionally involved in it and it's not helpful to anything or anyone. All's i did was state that we aren't trying to segregate the game based on control scheme, Is that the truth or isn't it?

  • @natiredgals how are they a troll if they are giving their opinion? They state that they can do something that you claim can not be done, so you call them a name?

  • @natiredgals as a family that plays together on xbox and PC, I personally don't see that large of a difference with the systems. Nor do my children. We bought this game as it is a play anywhere title. Sure we may die and on some servers we die more than others, but its only a game. We can only choose how we react to these situations.

    With the Arena, it is going to be more fast paced. There will be more encounters. I am sure we will have some sailors who will never dig up anything, stalking outposts as they used to do in adventure mode a year ago. We will learn and change our habits. And the meta will keep evolving.

    It isn't PC vs xbox for my family. It is always the ones who break the meta find a new technique and using it first. All we can do is learn how to counter it. We are not the best players. Get beat most of the time, but it is still fun.

    It is easy to stay positive. Just think you can do it, even when you are heavily at a disadvantage. To quote Rocky Balboa, "But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"

    We believe in you. Hope to join your ship in the arena! Stay positive. You got this!

  • @d-jaguar

    It is easy to stay positive. Just think you can do it, even when you are heavily at a disadvantage. To quote Rocky Balboa, "But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward; how much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done!"

    That's a fair point. You cannot 'win' all the time. In any encounter where someone sails off with the loot or one ship sinks, someone has to 'lose'. Except, if you don't see it that way, you lose way less often.

    I have been doing reaper runs and have been sunk soooo many times, but every single time I managed to finish the island in one go. I don't care about loot, so for me that is a win. For the people sinking an abandoned ship and taking the chests might be a win. Who knows? Maybe we both win.

  • I've read through all the comments and I believe everyone is right.. The only solution then is optional cross play, then everyone is happy. I play on xbox and me and my crew of misfits and vagabonds just play for laughs, as in we don't take the game seriously.. So for us Crossplay is fine. That attitude may change once we have played in the arena though....

  • @thiefcloud
    “Literally sat there acting like he had no choice but to suffer with bad controls and made out like we have such an advantage just because we play on pc when that same advantage is available to you as well.”

    The statement you said above along with calling my post a vacuum response and saying I’m always projecting, seems to be pretty judgmental. I’ve been playing the game from the start and have been pretty active in the forums at least reading through them anyway and it seems to me the judgements and the saltiness comes largely from the Pc community. Telling those of us on Xbox “you just suck, your just whining etc” and when we give valid reasons, as to why we feel the way we do, with for instance the spawn killing and the grieving, here comes captain obvious to state well why don’t you just use k+m now that you have the option, before it was lower your sensitivity or the common one is, there’s really not that much of a difference. I think what it is, like with the OP is we’re getting inpatient and sick entitled of waiting. I agree with what some others have said if the cross opt play has been delayed so should the April 30th update. I also know the PC players may not like, but it should be our choice no? You have the option right as a PC player(which was never really established if you are or not I’m projecting that you are?) to modify your computer as you see fit, to play what game you want, to use different control schemes and you can even mod etc. the option for us to choose, whether we want to play with you guys or not should be there. I mean PC players can’t expect Xbox players who have never really used a m+k, to all of a sudden be great at it. I wouldn’t expect PC players to have to use a controller.

  • There's alot coming on April 30th push back arena until optional cross-play is ready is perfect fix.

  • I'm an Xbox player, most of my crew is pc. We have done some experiments. There isn't to much of a difference. I ended up buying and external SSD and I'm virtually on par with spawn times with pc players. I'm just a little bit behind as the 3.0USB bottlenecks alot of the SSD speed, but the difference is like night and day. As for other things like boarding and anchor drops and stuff, you just need to practice and come up with your own strats. That's how you "git gud" at a game. Again I am on Xbox and have next to no issues playing with or against PC players. All it comes down too is load times and the odd mechanic like the quick anchor drops, better shooting and being able to spin 360 degrees in the air before you drop. No real difference that sets us apart

  • Didnt read all posts, but i want to say :

    1st a good move into the right direction.
    The spawncamp meta us nothing we should accept or want.
    It's not fun, nor to have it as the most effective way to sink someone neither to need to defend yourself this way, or to not to be able to defend yourself because of this.

    Then to me it's a lot of theory crafting and nobody knows how it plays and has that much experience with 30 seconds.

    Therefore i recommend to test it and give feedback only after an significantly amount of playing and testing it in different Situation where people spawncamp.
    Btw another thing than can be tested more efficient when we'd have consensual PvP in the insider build to create all sorts of situations we already know can occur rather then to play like live build and wait for it to happen.
    But anyway.

    A welcomed change that need to be tweaked when there is enough viable feedback and metrics, but not theorycrafting.

    Imho it is good to change the boarding meta.
    But it need not happen that we end up in endless ship battles what are about attrition and not skill and tactics.

  • This argument is pointless, stop trying to push your agendas, optional cross play is coming so get over it and stop trying to defend yourselves and your advantages. Those on PC who play on controller? DONTCAREFAM it isn't just the keyboard and mouse that's over powered. Its the system....even if you are terrible on the KB/M...let's face it, loading in a whole 1 minute faster than Xbox players is absolutely enough of an advantage to qualify that advantage being ripped away from PC players...even with a bad rig you can load in with enough time to board someone's ship and wait to camp them before they even spawn! Also PC Xbox controllers TEND to be wired, which means no input delay from the rubbish Bluetooth in the wireless Xbox controllers.

    It's not your fault, we know this, but it doesn't detract from the truth that there are more than a handful of advantages over the Xbox controller and à solution needs to be implemented sooner than later!

  • Personally, as a console player, I am glad that this isn't coming out. I feel like a lot of the player base is split between pc and Xbox. A lot of the time I make a post in LFG I find very good players, the majority on pc and I feel that if the crossplay option is implemented it will make it very hard to find a good post with someone that you could play with. Also being very good at pvp on a console I like a challenge like pc players. Lastly, I think it's still fair because Xbox now has an option to use K&M :)

  • It really is fine the way it is man idk why anyone has such a problem with that, I have such good friends on PC with this game and we do so good together.

  • @natiredgals You keep complaining and complaining about this while spouting incorrect assumptions based on your own inability to play the game or understanding basic game mechanics.

    The things you call advantages are completely ping and latency based. The only players who have a problem with their characters being spawned in before they are loading in all the way are players on the XBoX One Original.

    If you want to talk about loading advantages then we need to seperate XBoX One Originals and XBoX One X/S because again one loads faster than the other right?

    Next about the anchor drop. You are the only one I know of that can't drop the anchor by running by it. I play with 3 whole different crews, all on Xbox and they can all run by and grab chests, loot, or drop the anchor. The only time either of us, me included, have to stop to drop the anchor is when we are playing on a server not in our region.

    You ever think that the reason why you are having an issue is because someone you are playing with might be in a different country then you?

    The advantages PC have is small to that of XboX.

    Whats funny is if they made the game controller only, I'm pretty sure the PC player base wouldn't mind all to well. Most of us have a controller already for other games because K&M is not preferential to every game. The only downside is I am guaranteed you guys would still find something to complain about. How our controllers work faster because we are on PC or some other make believe fantasy reason so that you guys could blame your short comings on some outside force instead of your own capabilities.

    I had some guy tell me he was going to report me because I landed 90% of my cannon shots the other day. Called me a PC trash player and said I was hacking and that the only reason I was so good was because I was on PC. Cannons are not only easier to use on Controller, I checked the guys stats. He has only played 1.3million miles as a PvE Player, where as I have clocked over 8million miles as a PvP player.

    Its not PC vs Console. Its purely experience. Go out there and PvP and figure out your own short comings. This is not an FPS game. Stop treating it as such.

    The issue is that almost all PC players are PvP'ers. We PvP. We are used to combat situations in video gaming. We are used to the combative side of gaming. Most console players however, are mostly casual players. They like single player or party games with friends. They are not used to combative or competitive gaming.

    It just comes down to experience. We have clocked hours, days, months, years in competitive scenarios. Super hardcore PvP games were always available on PC but not on Console.

    Again its something we are used to and excel at.

    Learn to PvP properly.

  • @xultanis-dragon thanks for worthless feedback

  • @natiredgals you only really have yourself to blame for that one lol, you can change your controller settings or even buy a better controller.

    I can easily bunny hop and interact on the fly with an Xbox controller...

  • It's actually funny to me I'm reading some of these comments not believe in xbox players can kill pc players. I have killed multiple I'm on console I don't use an ssd and I use a controller it isn't hard the people that complain about the pc players are the people that will be only fishing when they have no commidations to do and are done with all the pve aspects of the game. I will say they only slight advantage for oc players would be the turning sensitivity of the mouse you can have higher dpi mice and turn pretty fast faster than a controller on sensitivity of 10 but that's all. And with ssds I can only see the external ssds being a little slower than the pc ones of the pc player is using a m.2 ssd drive.

  • There's a reason cod, Battlefield etc no other fps has cross play because guess what it's not even before you say this isn't fps try hards have turned it into a fps as a xbox player we pay to play online at a disadvantage i think as a paying member i have a right to disagree with non paying pc players

  • @natiredgals Your xbox was around 500. A decent PC nowadays to play the games that are out cost around 1500. I'm sorry but I think we paid for our online thank you very much. At 50 bucks a year we have paid enough for 10 years. My rig ran me around 3k. So I don't understand your reasoning for complaining when you are actually paying less than any PC player.

    Also this is not an FPS game. Regardless of what you think try hards have made it. Its not an FPS game. Maybe if you stopped with the assumptions that the only thing holding you back is that you were up against PC players, you might actually grow as a player. Stop treating it like an FPS. Ask, learn, adapt. Get better at the game.

    SIDE NOTE I've already stated it before, PC players are just geared towards competitive play and combative games. Console players usually play casually and are not used to competitive or combative style type games. Get some experience under your belt, you'll play better.

  • @acefirewalk3r Keyboard and mouse on your knee suck.

  • The debate is over. It is a large advantage to play on pc.
    sea of thieves devs weighed in and will give xbox the opt out of crossplay option. This was not based on fiction....it was because pc has a massive leg up, and the new pvp driven mode will make that painfully apparent.
    Stop trying to argue after the makers of the game call you wrong. lol

  • @natiredgals
    I find it a bit strange that we have so many insiders complaining about this thing since you been able to try the arena.. ?

    Yes we can all agree on this:

    • PC has better framerate which is an advantage in PvP
    • Mouse and keyboard might be better then controller
    • PC probably have faster spawning/loading times.

    But for everyone that has a feeling for the Arena now(insiders) you should know that 2 out of 3 above mentioned isn't actually that important in how Arena is going to be played.
    Due to the NDA i can't go deeper into it but you all know Arena isn't anything like PUBG or COD or whatever.

    To all that are concerned i can say, you will be able to play Arena and win games even on an Xbox with controller. :)

  • @natiredgals написал в Trying my best to stay positive:

    With the news that optional cross-play has been pushed back and arena still coming on April 30th it's hard to imagine a positive scenario in the Arena for console players. It's definitely a big let down. Before you tell me to get gud that black screen of death coming back from the ferry in a smaller map section will most likely make spawn killing more frequent. You can tell me there's no big advantage but another big one is how pc players can drop your anchor without stopping as a xbox player i can't run by the anchor to drop it i have to actually stop press x drop. There's obviously more advantages but doing my best to overcome them on the adventure server is easier then when full on pvp arena mode.

    From experience with randoms crews on a normal mode - arena with randoms will be hell :D
    So i suggest to find a decent crew on Forum or Official discord channel to play with, when arena goes live. And its not about on xbox or PC you are its about people you playing with as team.

  • @nefrit-od said in Trying my best to stay positive:

    @natiredgals написал в Trying my best to stay positive:

    From experience with randoms crews on a normal mode - arena with randoms will be hell :D
    So i suggest to find a decent crew on Forum or Official discord channel to play with, when arena goes live. And its not about on xbox or PC you are its about people you playing with as team.

    Exactly this, it's gonna be all about teamwork, not platform types.

  • @goedecke-michel Get creative there is plenny of possible furniture that can be used. You just have to look and find something that fits your need.

  • When I pvp on my xbox, I never think to myself, "oh man I need to switch to PC I would have killed that guy had I had 60fps instead of 30!"

  • @zormis said in Trying my best to stay positive:

    When I pvp on my xbox, I never think to myself, "oh man I need to switch to PC I would have killed that guy had I had 60fps instead of 30!"

    Jokes on those people! I'm on PC, but I am still running 30FPS 😂

  • @murkrage said in Trying my best to stay positive:

    @zormis said in Trying my best to stay positive:

    When I pvp on my xbox, I never think to myself, "oh man I need to switch to PC I would have killed that guy had I had 60fps instead of 30!"

    Jokes on those people! I'm on PC, but I am still running 30FPS 😂

    lol! I think my laptop runs 20 when it's not plugged in and the video card is running off the battery, im going to have to test that out later...

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