Why I quit SoT

@saynt-sorrows so...bye!

@saynt-sorrows I don´t get it. Do your research before you buy a game! Watch some reviews or some gameplay. Don’t complain if you could’ve known better.
So bye i guess.

@yaboysuy0 Oh I did my research, and I did get a few weeks out of the game, which is enough to justify the buy price at 30% off. I don't regret buying the game and didn't say that anywhere either.
The game is however meant to be monetized through micro-transactions, and thus will only earn more money from me if I actually played it longer than I have - and this is where my feedback above comes in.

@Schwammlgott stay safe. bye!

@elderterdkin Cheers. The naval combat is great, it's in my opinion the best part about this game. The sailing isn't though. The implementation of the sails is a disappointment to me.
The hit detection becomes a problem the moment the stakes of doing damage get high. Say, if you are getting boarded and already shot them four times with the flintlock and yet they still bunny hop their heads off.

@gunner-rat Cheers, sure, lemme clear that up.
I'll start with number 1.

I think that a large part of what makes progression so enticing is that there are consequences for not achieving progression. There are not just rewards like unlocking new skills, new looks, new content, etc., but also the fact that you lose out on these if you don't progress. Opportunity cost.
SoT renown-tracks are worthless in that sense. Pirate Legend is the only meaningful opportunity cost for not progressing, and all you get for being a PL is more of the same (Athena) and a hidden room. Not. Worth. It's also not difficult enough to get to to be worth prestige.

Number 2:
"Romance" as in fantasy. Sorry, I'm not a native English speaker, maybe this use of the word is more common in my own than in English? For me, "Sailor's romance" basically describes the fantasy of sailing a ship, playing around the wind, etc. For this fantasy to remain unbroken, there are some basic rules that can't be broken:

• Wind has to change and I have to adapt.
• Not adapting reduces performance.
• My expectations of how my adapting will increase performance has to be fulfilled.
  That last one basically means that if I'm tacking, I will get to my ultimate waypoint upwind faster than if I just sail dead into the wind. The fact that this is untrue breaks immersion and destroys the fantasy.
  Note that I do NOT need "real sim". Arcadiness is fine. I'm okay with not being pushed backward by the wind just because I'm in irons. It's cool if that happens, but I can suspend disbelief that much in the interest of solo-slooping. But to invalidate tacking in a sailing game? That is just a bit too much.

Number 3:
Hit reg happens when you get the hit marker on your screen, but no damage is applied. That's the case when your client thinks you hit, but the server disagrees. In pretty much all other FPS games I've played, feedback is handled by a response from the server. It tells your client that you have hit, and thus your game shoes you the hit marker. In SoT, that is not the case. In PvE it doesn't matter much, but as soon as there are stakes attached to your killing your opponent, such as when somebody boards your ship, it becomes real important real fast.

@awsmstaccntname said in Why I quit SoT:

Valid reasons, and it's good that you don't feel the importance of having to turn in your loot. I do wish tacking was a thing.

I think I should want to turn in my loot? Otherwise, I have little reason to go out and look for any. XD

@saynt-sorrows said in Why I quit SoT:

Hey,
I played SoT for a few weeks. I recently ended up putting the game down until further notice, and here are my reasons, ordered from biggest reason first, to smallest reason at the bottom of the list:

1. No sense of progression. Cosmetics are not enough for me. I don't feel like the treasure I sell has any real value. I really don't care frankly, and that's terrible. I've logged out of the game with a couple thousand doubloons' worth of chests still on my ship and felt no loss.
2. No sailor's romance. Being pirates is all nice and stuff (although point 1 above invalidates that anyway, for me at least), but the real reason I even started playing this game was the idea of sailing a ship in a more immersive way than you do in most other sailing games where you are the ship itself, rather than the guy on it. But your temporary solution turned permanent, tacking doesn't exist, and you've refused to fix sailing for three years. That's me outta here. Who thinks it's a good idea to have flat sails into the wind be the correct way, instead of tacking?
3. Bad hit reg. I love that you use actual projectiles instead of hitscan. Really. Make it work. Or at least make sure that I get my feedback from the server, not my client. This smacks of another of those temporary solutions turned permanent. Dirty, cheap, low quality, lazy, THREE YEARS. I do not trust that you will repair this, and thus I leave until further notice. No money from me.

Your eyes have finally opened, I got kicked out of parties as ''I dint had a specific achievement'' which doesn't make any sense as the voyage they wanna do is kill some skeletons which I already did 3 years ago.
The game could've have much more potential but their not adding it in.

Try a different perspective;
-There is no progression at all; loot isn't worth anything. Since whenever you started your account. (Just get a skinny black character and walk in your underwear for the best PvP skin, lol). Because of this fact, the game is made to PvP. (with a bad hit reg lol)
-Food and cannonballs are worth more then anything.
-Been sunk doesn't mean anything. (Except for losing the supplies in your ship)
-People with shiny cosmetics are easy targets, you can see them easily. So in PvP perspective there is no point in obtaining them. (its a grind anyway)
-You play the game to have fun, I can experience fun by annoying other players by; visiting them doing Fort of The Damned, circle around the island shoot some cannons on them. (works well on sloop solo)
Or; Surprise them while their doing a riddle. Get all their supplies and leave their ship behind on fire with 7 holes in it with no planks in their storage. Or; spawn camp them make them leave the server. Call them bad and you're better then them.
Or be creative and do something funny to tease other players, it is a sandbox game afterall.

Since there is no benefit you can gain in PvP this game turns into a toxic society of ''I am better then you, let me laugh at you'' situations. And people start to annoy other players like I described above. Which in my opinion can be fun, but most people cant enjoy it, as you ''ruined their hours of work''. Although as described before, you lose nothing if you sink, you gain nothing if you sell the loot. so in the end it doesn't matter as long you had fun.

I blame the developers as they created this situation of the game. For me and thousand of other players; this game is made to PvP.
They could've added a lot more voyages in the game giving you more to do, but for them to take 3 years to create a new Merchant Alliance voyage, which bugs and glitch out a lot, tells enough about their capabilities. I know this sounds salty, but that's just how it is.

I hope I changed your point of view of the game, and you can have fun out of the game like I do. Ruining other people's day is just really satisfying.

@xpiquantx
I participated in that, and placed a gunpowder barrel next to the tree killing everyone. They all got pretty mad, but I found it funny :)

first off imma break this down, first we got no progression well some games just have no progression they are pure player experience games for instance welyn is a story telling youtube and he does stories on sea of thieves which is interesting and sea of thieves is meant to be an adventure that each player can have, not a progress fest as they said that pirate legend is the big goal of the game. sailing is meant to be movement anything to interrupt it will be annoying to people who dont care about it which is a good bit (me included) also if you want a good pirate game do good research for instance before i played sot i watched many videos and read some reviews as reviews can be faked and or paid to be lied about. Finally the biggest argument any player uses The hit reg well maybe if you kind of guys thouhgt its not bad it is a clean cut hitreg which means its hit reg is drawn to the shape of the character which most new games do but make it not as perfect this is sign of them spending time on their game, so i see why they dont want to change it as it would take more time then you just learning how to play with it. and before i forget why post this here and you reply to a lot of the replies so it makes me think you still play the game and you just want to complain about the same story that 100s of players complain aboutanything i post is not meant to take personally

@snowtheheat I suggest you format that a little. I don't see why I should expend the effort to read that wall of text if you can't expend the effort of making it readable.
I jumped down to near the end of it, where "you bet I still play the game because I answer every comment." That is faulty reasoning. Some people eat because they're hungry, some people eat because they feel they have to, whether they are hungry or not.
I posted this because I see the potential SoT has and because I hope against hope that somehow Rare does too, and might eventually do something about it. I answer the comments, because people expended the effort to send me these messages, and thus I dignify them with the same effort, or better. Imagine that. I actually care.

No, I do not play SoT anymore. I have 0.1 hrs spent playing SoT over the last two weeks, according to Steam. I last gained an achievement in SoT in February. Nah, my account is basically dead, beyond the twitch stream drops I got from watching Phuzzybond.

@XAssflameX I do not troll, or not in such a way that it reduces the quality of the time other players spend in the game. I'm all for mischief, to be sure. Just, so long as it does not damage the player base. I consider myself net negative salt export.
That said, I do enjoy PvP and that was my mainstay. But it just... wasn't worth it. I got nothing for it, no sense of progression, no ranking, nothing. I did have a good time with the crews of the ships I attacked, as I called "good fight" and whatever manners dictate. Lots of laughter. But I can get that in more polished games. SoT has a lot to offer, but then basically goes and dumps all over it with its lack of polish, despite having been out for three years.

@saynt-sorrows
I thought the game was made to PvP and laugh at other players and tell 'm ''haha I am better then you, you suck''. As there is nothing to gain benefit over. That's what create the toxicity problem in the game.

@xassflamex Nah, that's like saying "cars are made to run people over with since there is nothing to stop you from doing so."
Each player is responsible for their own behavior. The structure of the game does not serve as an excuse for people to be jerks. That decision is up to each individual.

Of course, Rare has not attempted to create a community that is immune to toxicity. That is their failing.
Yes, this is possible, check out the discord of IMMORTAL: Gates of Pyre - I'm a moderator and playtester there, and thus know for a fact that even in a competitive genre, toxicity can be absent in the community of a competitive game. You merely have to do it right, and Rare didn't bother. That is indeed their failing - not that this means that we have no responsibility for our own behavior.

@saynt-sorrows said in Why I quit SoT:

@xassflamex Nah, that's like saying "cars are made to run people over with since there is nothing to stop you from doing so."
Each player is responsible for their own behavior. The structure of the game does not serve as an excuse for people to be jerks. That decision is up to each individual.

Of course, Rare has not attempted to create a community that is immune to toxicity. That is their failing.
Yes, this is possible, check out the discord of IMMORTAL: Gates of Pyre - I'm a moderator and playtester there, and thus know for a fact that even in a competitive genre, toxicity can be absent in the community of a competitive game. You merely have to do it right, and Rare didn't bother. That is indeed their failing - not that this means that we have no responsibility for our own behavior.

But with a car you have a goal, you go from point A to point B.
In this game going from level 1 to level 75 on a reputation faction, doesn't bring you anywhere. Beside, if you run over people with a car, you'll end up in jail or on a psychiatrist, or both. lol

@saynt-sorrows i only said that i thought that you played the game still because you replied to a lo of the replies to your post which poses to me that you still care about sot so it seems reasonable to me that you would still play it to make sure your arguments are still valid. as for how i format my replies that is just me focusing on one topic that means i can get sidetracked and rant about another topic before i go back to my main topic i just write really fast without worrying about how it is organised.

@xassflamex And in SoT, you're supposed to report people after recording their griefing with Win+G, after which they may be banned.

The goal of what you do with a car is also something you create yourself, just like you create your own goals in a sandbox. Do you go for that Sunday drive to visit nature? Do you drive to work? Shopping? These are all activities you set yourself, rather than having the car set them for you. You could as easily set the goal of driving it into the next river. Do you? No. Why? Consequences.
Consequences are lacking in SoT, which is probably what you're really pointing at. With the exception of stuff like spawn-camping, as that is an actually bannable offense. Rare doesn't tell people though, which is their failure. They should be introducing people actively to the gameplay recording functions.

@stundorn

1. Do you think that a lack of consequence is good for the game? If so, why? And, if you do think so, what do you think about the ways in which SoT does not fit that paradigm?
2. I personally only need the sails to be fixed, and tacking to be geometrically rewarded over sailing into irons. I think that if you try to add more than that, you risk solo-slooping getting too nerf.
3. Double-gunning has some serious drawbacks to it, aside from the hit reg. You can punish that if you have a cutlass. I should note that swords also get hit regged all the time. It's just more obvious with guns.

@barmaley7580 Cause SoT has a lot of untapped potential, that if realized, would probably make it the best game I would've played yet. As three years have come and gone, and these most basic issues have not been fixed or corrected, I leave.
That won't stop me from giving my feedback though. Who knows, maybe they'll pull a much belated Six Siege, unlikely as that is?

@TekRantGaming bye, stay safe.

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