splitting the community further

So are you saying you want pve only server? Sorry that will never happen-it’s a pirate game people need to understand that before buying the game

@danklizard202 Rare also said there would never be NPC ships on the seas.
They also said they would never make cross play optional.
They also said they would never add a PvP mode.
They also said they would never split the community.

PvE servers WILL happen, it is just a matter of time.

@DankLizard202
Just to add to the voices.

There doesn't seem to be a rule book for the development of SoT.
Once said things, that at one time were said "they would never happen", have appeared and as a result the game continues to evolve today.

RARE... to their credit, have listened to voices, adapted their approach & have broadened the scope of how this game was when it first launched.
Granted, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
But they appear to by trying to amass a player base that appeals to the greater player community.
I understand to a certain extent why they have gone down this road.

I personally don't agree with certain elements of the content added, nor the Arena Mode.
But I will continue to play the game the way I want, and not deny others of whatever.... "floats their boat".

Just my thoughts..

Craggy

So now instead of a daily PVE server post, you are now doing a separate post for each of your previous arguments?

You weren't kidding when you said you wouldnt stop until you had your way lol

See you tomorrow in the 'nitpicking and jealousy' post 😂

Splitting the playerbase only hurts the community. As someone who enjoys PvP, I personally do not like the idea of the arena.

@bugaboo-bill

Translation: "I think the game is going downhill and the community is being split, so why not let it go completely to hell by adding PvE servers"

Just stop. I roll my eyes every time I see one of these nonsense PvE server posts. Its just such a horrible idea for Sea of Thieves.

This business of thinking Rare should please everyone and every play style is absolute nonsense. The game will surely fail if they try to please everyone. No game in existence is the perfect game for everyone. Sea of Thieves won't be either. They should focus on making Sea of Thieves even better at what it currently does. Adding PvE servers is a step backwards from that.

They have a vision to do something different by having all of these separate play styles and player motivations exist in the one shared world to make it the unpredictable and chaotic beast that it is. That's what makes it special. They should fight for that vision as much as they can, and not listen to the likes of those who are requesting PvE servers.

Rare doesn't need to change their game for your mindset. Your mindset will need to change. Period.

For the record, I believe this whole crossplay division nonsense never should have happened. But even that, is not splitting the playerbase based on player motivation like a PvE server would.

Its also nonsense to say that the existence of The Arena justifies the existence of PvE servers. Just complete nonsense. It is a different game mode, that plays out differently than the main game, and only allows you to progress with the Sea Dogs trading company, where Gold Hoarders, Order of Souls, Merchant Alliance, Tall Tales, The Hunter's Call (probably) are likely only available if you play The Adventure mode.

Saying that "Its already split, so split it further" is just foolishness. Either way, Private Servers will come. They will probably have limitations as far as gold and rep is concerned, but you will pick and choose who plays on the server with you. Want PvE servers? There's your answer.

@bugaboo-bill

You approached those arguments with a very small-minded way of thinking that doesn't work with Sea of Thieves, just like everyone else who has ever suggested that PvE servers be added.

Just simply dismissing the opposing arguments is not "considering" them or addressing them. If you want your suggestion to appear to be valid in the slightest, you should at least try to make a compelling counter argument against the points that have been made.

You have failed to do this. So yes, until you can come up with a competent argument that sufficiently opposes the points that everyone else has made, we will all continue to say the things that you claim to have "already addressed."

@bugaboo-bill

You'll have your "options" that you seek when Private Servers come to the game. There's your solution, nothing else will be needed.

Additionally saying that you can't "force players to accept PvP" is yet another nonsense argument when it comes to Sea of Thieves.

If you don't like the fact that PvP is part of the game at all times, then why in the world did you buy Sea of Thieves? If you buy a game knowing that PvE and PvP will exist in the world together at all times, you don't just ask for that to change. You take the good with the bad, and if you can't do that then you don't buy the game. Simple.

Like I already said, no game is going to be the perfect game for everyone. Sea of Thieves is no exception. They cannot try to please everyone, because it just isn't possible. That's why saying "giving the option for everyone to play exactly how they want" will not work. They can not and should not try to please everyone. They need to take what Sea of Thieves does best, and focus on that.... not try to add a different unnecessary game ruining feature for every different kind of player....

If someone consciously buys a game like Sea of Thieves but doesn't want to deal with the risk of being attacked, then that is their own problem to work through, not Rare's or anyone else's.

Do be honest I felt the game was going the other direction. My crew and I go out and PVE every night, and while we typically dont actively seek out PVP, we do not shy away from it and we always do high risk events...Forts, Athena's, reaper missions. Since the launch of the Shipwreck Bay Reaper event we have had to sink 1 ship.... We average 1 reaper/athena and 2-3 forts a night. Its to the point now where we have considered every other night playing pirate and seeking out steals from other people.

In over 500+ hours(I know many people are in the thousands) in this game I have never been griefed and only ran into toxicity once(a galleon crew open mic'ing and just scream and cussing us out the whole time). For that we just simply sank their ship and changed servers.

I'm not saying it isnt out there, because there are tons of idiots out there that feel empowered by the anonymity of being behind a computer screen. But, I dont feel that the griefing/toxic environment so many describe is as huge an issue as it is made out to be. Unless I am just magically getting placed on the most PVE servers out there haha.

@bugaboo-bill said in splitting the community further:

All who argue against it..., better safe your time, it isn't worth it.

Despite tentatively agreeing with you, I just have to flag this as a bit of an unhelpful way to enter a conversation. If you want a discussion, you need to invite respectful disagreement.

That said, I'm fast approaching the point of honestly not caring anymore about these so-called "splits." I used to feel that the "We Shall Sail Together" mantra mattered, and that one of the selling points of Sea of Thieves is that I have a chance (small, but present) to meet and interact with any member of the community. Between the xplay split and the Arena, Rare is either saying that was never the point of "We Shall Sail Together," or they've just killed it and replaced it with "We Shall Sail Without Them." A little bit sad from a design/philosophy point of view, but honestly it doesn't seriously affect day-to-day gameplay.

I think that if they're going to do PvE servers, they should implement it via private servers. I think this because:
A. it would be very difficult from a gameplay design perspective to disable PvP while there are other players on the server (what "kind of hostile" interactions are still allowed, like walking off with chests or grabbing the ships wheel?). And also I don't think they should, even if they find a way to do so - if I find another real-life person in-game, they should be able to attack me. The uncertainty of "is this player a friend or foe" is what drives player interaction and I don't think they should remove that
B. so that they can kill several birds with one stone and allow players to invite others to their private servers. That might also be a good place to enable an ability for players to rejoin the server within a set (short) amount of time. This simply to help with people like me that get game-breaking crashes and Allmondbeards on a regular basis. Like I said, several birds with one stone.

Well I just looked up and realized that I've already taken up way too much space, so I'll shut up now. Congrats and I'm sorry if you managed to read this far.

@bugaboo-bill

First, didn't you already make a topic on this not that long ago? It is against forum policy to duplicate topics. What exactly is the difference between the two other than the words being juggled around and a different subject.

Secondly, stating that arguments against it are a waste of time is disrespectful of those that have a different view. It is not a healthy or nice way to start a conversation. Just because you sit on your own throne and will not budge doesn't make their view invalid or not important enough to express. Try to understand them and see if you can find a solution that works for both sides or just keep the topic to yourself and stop wasting our time reading your monologue of your thoughts while telling us our views are a waste of time on a medium to exchange thoughts about a game we all enjoy.

Third, I disagree completely with your assessment that:
Rare should try and please everyone just to keep players, that is a bad and financial view that will not benefit the quality of the game. It is far better to have a focus and create a product that suits a specific demographic. There tons of games in the world, if this one doesn't suit you move to the next.

Creating duplication of the experiences you have in different modes while removing elements is not smart, as it spreads your players into sections and based on the ability to swap will have them influence how people play within those destroying the balance between the types of playstyles you encounter in the world. It will make the experience predictable based on the menu choice, which I believe diminishes the value of the game and is against the vision that Rare has expressed.

Especially if you are able to seamlessly change between them this will be a reality, nobody likes losing and a majority if given the option will not take risks. For those that state well MMO games have PvE and PvP servers, yes they do and they prohibit the same characters from swapping between the two. Therefore you would have to start a new when making the transition from one to the other.

My views are that game modes in sea of thieves if introduced should complement the game and provide new and different experiences that cannot fit within the adventure mode, if you want to play it with the same pirate that is, just as the Arena is doing to provide a different experience in regards to PvP. It will have it own set of rules, objectives and rewards to achieve while still being part of the Sea of Thieves.

Options are not bad, but the options should not function as replacements for each other.

Btw. Splitting based on server capacity is invalid, as we all get picked from the same pool. The only thing that we don't know who we will be grouped with for that session, though we can still all be meeting each other. Different modes places us in different pools and that is the splitting most of us are against if those pools compete with each other while providing the same rewards. We want the player pool to stay as much intact and together as possible and not have direct competition between the pools created.

You lost me when you called people whiney care bears.

diffrent strokes

@bugaboo-bill why would you want to split your pool into two big pools where it removes the uniqueness of the mystery of who you will encounter on the seas?

Pick at the menu, instead of notice on the seas who you encounter a friend or a foe and how will you respond? Which is the initial ideal that Rare is aiming for.

A game world in which you can encounter a vast number of play styles as they don't all get their own little pool.

@cotu42 said in splitting the community further:

@bugaboo-bill why would you want to split your pool into two big pools where it removes the uniqueness of the mystery of who you will encounter on the seas?

Pick at the menu, instead of notice on the seas who you encounter a friend or a foe and how will you respond? Which is the initial ideal that Rare is aiming for.

A game world in which you can encounter a vast number of play styles as they don't all get their own little pool.

Thank you.

@Bugaboo-Bill and many others try to justify PvE servers by saying that all players need the option to play exactly how they want. And this is wrong. I say again that it is not possible to please and accommodate everyone while still creating something as special and unique as Sea of Thieves.

The game already is "play how you want" but play how you want while encountering other players who are also playing how they want. That's what makes the game special! Separating players based on their motivations is 100% counter productive to the intention that Rare has for this game.

https://www.seaofthieves.com/game

Sea of Thieves is a new type of multiplayer game that delivers all you need to live the free-roaming pirate life. Whether adventuring as a group or sailing solo, you'll encounter other crews... but will they be friends or foes, and how will you respond?

Maybe the reason a PvP only server wont work, is because then there won't be any treasure to steal.

The PvP crowd almost has a haughty disdain for grinding and performing the act of retrieving the treasure, and truly wants another player to perform this act before being "harvested".

If there are no "sheep" then the wolves will be attacking each other in empty ships. I suppose it takes a certain different kind of effort to grind solely via PvP (euphemism: PvP players are lazy)

@bugaboo-bill said in splitting the community further:

@CotU42
The other topic was completely derailed and about pro and contra, but people just jumped on it made their standard comments what were mostly not about pro and contra, but their personal opinion like without pvp it's boring.

So it got derailed... by people having the wrong opinion?

It seems to be the reoccurring pattern with those posts, people do not agree with the premise of the post (giving their opinion, as asked by the poster) then a new post sprouts because the direction of the previous one isn't going in the right way to support the narrative the poster wants to convey.

About different pools of players.
They already exist. I dont see the Problem opening another.

But they don't? At least not yet. We all play in the same pool unless you see insiders as one, which I don't think it really is.

Going from 1 pool to 3 (adventure, arena, PVE) really isn't the way to go IMO, people should at least wait for arena to drop and see how the population and play style balances out.

The development should mainly cater to the biggest pool.

Who says PVE is the biggest pool? Maybe the PVPVE enthusiasts are the biggest pool and the devs are doing exactly that and leaving things as is to cater to them? Did you ever think of this?

If it turns out PVE only is not the main pool, will you still say Rare should cater to the bigger pool or will you switch back to "people should be able to play how they want"?

I think the amount of pve only players world be huge. I think this would influence if in the future there is more Tall Tales or Rum Runner Missions for example.

You think, but can't know for sure. Having more Tall Tales and Rum Runner Missions do not require a PVE only mode to be viable, it can perfectly go hand in hand with the current adventure mode.