We need more PvP, not less!

I have to agree with you about PVP.

I understand the pain for someone who doesn't do PVP very well, like me, minding their own business and getting sent to the bottom of the sea.

But, for those who look for trouble, like a sloop rolling up on a Galleon crew to cause trouble, there is nothing I like more then to watch them eat cannonballs.

Basically I watch a lot of Sea of Thieves on streamer channels and look very forward to the chases and battles, so more PVP is where it's at.

Watching a good crew who knows how to fight is awesome. Watching an inexperienced crew (newbs) who goes looking for a fight get destroyed....even better!

@genereder i agree that more pvp isn't a good idea, as long as it is good implemented, not this joke that there can be found today.

implement the risk/reward factor for pvp and then we can talk business
until then we're getting to much "pvp" that has no scope and it's more a less of waste of time

@logansdadtoo said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder

This was never meant to be an all out PVP fest, it was meant to be a fun welcoming shared world adventure game.
But because of all you one track ponies who force their playstyle onto everyone else, this game is toxic as hell!

I happy to be the bad guy here. Wanna know why? Because it is about pirates! if the game was a r***y dandy cotton candy pinky unicorny "strangers are friends you just havent met yet" softy cloudy pyjama party i would quit.

A) Games that are meant to provide challenging fulfilling PvE content have AI that make it a challenge which basicly always will just try to imitate player behaviour or those games have systems with vertical progression to slowly improve the challenge.

B) Games that are about fair and even bases horizontal progression are about skill and strategy and are meant to be played competitivly.

C) minesweeper! ... and those games dont have multiplayer!

Why do you think sea of thieves is played on servers of 24 players? If you want to just play coop games i would recommend payday it is extremly good and has no pvp at all

@genereder said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@logansdadtoo said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder

This was never meant to be an all out PVP fest, it was meant to be a fun welcoming shared world adventure game.
But because of all you one track ponies who force their playstyle onto everyone else, this game is toxic as hell!

I happy to be the bad guy here. Wanna know why? Because it is about pirates! if the game was a r***y dandy cotton candy pinky unicorny "strangers are friends you just havent met yet" softy cloudy pyjama party i would quit.

A) Games that are meant to provide challenging fulfilling PvE content have AI that make it a challenge which basicly always will just try to imitate player behaviour or those games have systems with vertical progression to slowly improve the challenge.

B) Games that are about fair and even bases horizontal progression are about skill and strategy and are meant to be played competitivly.

C) minesweeper! ... and those games dont have multiplayer!

Why do you think sea of thieves is played on servers of 24 players? If you want to just play coop games i would recommend payday it is extremly good and has no pvp at all

Omg you can't say this is a game about pirates dude! It's not PC! Won't somebody think of all the innocent chicken merchants...

@logansdadtoo
It is a PvP game.
Anyone can sail up to you and try to sink you anytime, anywhere. What's that if not a PvP game?

@genereder "Its a pirate game" is the lamest excuse for people acting like jag-offs.

And as far as the "PVP is the bread and butter and meat and potatoes of the game" goes, it is a falsehood. You could take out the PVP and you would still have a game that people could enjoy. Just because YOU don't like playing without PVP doesn't mean other people don't.

@waylios said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder "Its a pirate game" is the lamest excuse for people acting like jag-offs.

And as far as the "PVP is the bread and butter and meat and potatoes of the game" goes, it is a falsehood. You could take out the PVP and you would still have a game that people could enjoy. Just because YOU don't like playing without PVP doesn't mean other people don't.

I tried to warn him about calling this a Pirate game, sorry...

@mighty-ace123 Its the truth though.

Factually, this game is based around completing voyages with groups of people. Every aspect of this game besides sinking other peoples boats is PVE content.

This game would be pretty terrible without PVP, but you know what else is terrible? People that ignore every aspect of the game and just sink other people, sometimes for no reward at all.

Forced PVP is almost as bad as no PVP. I don't see anything wrong with having PVE servers. Who does it hurt? People that want to PVP will always be able to find someone to PVP with.

At this point in time, the crowd that likes PVE is just SOL because they are forced to PVP or not play at all.

Alienating a portion of possible player-base is bad business.

@waylios imo this game only "works" because of the sum of all things. Anything taken from it will make it fall apart. PvP without potential loot sucks, looting without PvP threat sucks.

I used to enjoy the PvP aspect, It was never my primary playstyle. I actually preffered merchant runs/questing with my friends. but i'd end every session with a good hour or two of 'looking for a fight'. Though tbh I can't actually remember the last time I logged in and played because the honeymoon period is over and now the dust has settled, it's just not that much fun.

Why isn't PvP fun for me anymore?

1 - no reward!
The majority of players that you get to engage don't have anything on the ship. They fight because there's nothing to lose by doing so. Ships with anything of value run, then it just becomes a matter of how long you're willing to spend chasing them until one of you gives up or messes up and allows the pursuer to catch up (lets face it - does anyone enjoy chasing a ship for 20 minutes+).

2 - Lackluster combat.
The majority of fights become a battle of attrition until someone runs out of supplies/cannon balls etc. The only viable strat is to board and disrupt repairs forcing you to essentially spawn-camp until the ship is sunk - doesn't feel very good winning like that, anyone can board a ship and blast someone in the back as soon as they spawn - it's hardly a challenge.

3. Time Vs achievement.
   I can spend an hour doing PvP and leave the game having had 10 fights - but have gained nothing.
   I'd be better off spending that hour doing quests and actually cashing-in / gaining rep with a faction, PvP under these circumstances is just a hindrance.

@waylios said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@mighty-ace123 Its the truth though.

Factually, this game is based around completing voyages with groups.....

Yeah... and pubg is strictly about survival... and the division is about researching the virus.... and splinter cell is about sneaking.... and counterstrike is about the swat-tactics.... and warcraft 3 is about building your orcs a nice neighbourhood.... and battlefiels is about establishing democracy... and gta is about stop at red lights... RPGs are about role playing... and league of legends is about the lore.....

Not at all about competition with other people!

50% of sea of thieves is exploration and pve and stuff and 50% is about protecting your treasure or feeling a pirares greed... guess we have to meet each other have way

@mighty-ace123 I agree with you. The sad part is, most people cant see the other side of the argument. The easiest way to fix everything is have 3 server types. PVE, PVP, and PvEvP.

I know Rare says they don't want to divide their player base, but if they don't make an effort to at least consider PVE and PVP servers, their player base will divide themselves.

People who don't like PVP very much will leave, if they already haven't... and the people that love Pvping might not care about any of the PVE content they keep promising to put out... and then what? They may end up having a game full of content their players don't really care about.

@waylios
"People that ignore every aspect of the game and just sink other people"
Well how do you even know people are doing that?
When me and my crew are out voyaging and we spot a ship that looks like it might carry loot, we go after it. Sometimes, we see another ship right after. Doesn't mean we're ignoring every other aspect of the game.

"they are forced to PVP or not play at all"
They can always keep a lookout and sail away. You hardly have to fight in this game if you dont want to.

"Alienating a portion of possible player-base is bad business."
Not when it means changing core aspects of the game. Is Battlefield alienating a possible playerbase because you can't have romances with other soldiers, like in Dragon Age or Mass Effect? Maybe. Would it make sense for Dice to change the entire game to appeal to that playerbase? I think you can answer that yourself.

If you're going to play an open world game with PvP elements, you gotta expect some PvP.

@LogansDadToo
Semantics, I guess. Shared world adventure game where you can meet other crews, but will they be friend or foe? That also implies PvP. Part of the appeal of this game is exactly that, that it isn't strictly PvE OR PvP, but both, and you never know when you might need to fight for your treasure.

@logansdadtoo said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@nebenkuh
Implying PVP is a part of the game, not that pvp is ALL the game is about, that is incorrect.
As @KattTruewalker pointed out, the devs & the way the game was marketed was an all around adventure.
What it has become (& is evident all across the forum) is not what the devs were aiming for, & was not what we wanted this game to be!
That is solely down to the type of player! PVP can be forced onto others, PVE players cannot force their playstyle on anyone!
You can argue, it's the devs fault, or not enough content blah blah, but at the end of the day it isn't.

And this is why we can't have nice things :(

@katttruewalker said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder

Sea of Thieves has always been a SWAG - Shared World Adventure Game.

If you go to the website and read through the page 'About', you see that it's the pve aspects which are talked about alongside the added threat of not knowing how other pirate crews are going to react to you - friend or foe...

https://www.seaofthieves.com/game

If you watch one of the first videos, you hear Joe and Neate talking about living the pirate life - sailing, camaraderie, adventure alongside the possible ship combat with other players. It's meant to be holistic, a world in which dangers and challenges come from the environment as well as those other pirates and their unknown intentions.

https://youtu.be/bJ25OF7f5us?list=PL_nMBAOk-hFrtzlHK4mr8Oi4aPXUsGcbM

All i am saying is this game is to some extend based on anarchy and i think it helps to have exciting and thrilling pirate experience as much as pve as pvp wise and too many people in this forum cry about how unfair anarchy is and that me and a whole lot of other player wouldnt want it to change.

Anarchy is as much pirate as digging up treasure and sailing a ship is!

Please respect that not everybody want this game to be PvE based!

If you really hate PVP-ers so much then play it by your own rules like we PvP-ers do and be the Cop, the superhero who hunts down every galleon that is bullying sloops and show them what you think of bullies.... go and sail next to other players tell them you are a cop and if they have been bullied and if so where to find the bad bad boy, go hunt him down!

@genereder said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@katttruewalker said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder

Sea of Thieves has always been a SWAG - Shared World Adventure Game.

If you go to the website and read through the page 'About', you see that it's the pve aspects which are talked about alongside the added threat of not knowing how other pirate crews are going to react to you - friend or foe...

https://www.seaofthieves.com/game

If you watch one of the first videos, you hear Joe and Neate talking about living the pirate life - sailing, camaraderie, adventure alongside the possible ship combat with other players. It's meant to be holistic, a world in which dangers and challenges come from the environment as well as those other pirates and their unknown intentions.

https://youtu.be/bJ25OF7f5us?list=PL_nMBAOk-hFrtzlHK4mr8Oi4aPXUsGcbM

All i am saying is this game is to some extend based on anarchy and i think it helps to have exciting and thrilling pirate experience as much as pve as pvp wise and too many people in this forum cry about how unfair anarchy is and that me and a whole lot of other player wouldnt want it to change.

Anarchy is as much pirate as digging up treasure and sailing a ship is!

Please respect that not everybody want this game to be PvE based!

If you really hate PVP-ers so much then play it by your own rules like we PvP-ers do and be the Cop, the superhero who hunts down every galleon that is bullying sloops and show them what you think of bullies.... go and sail next to other players tell them you are a cop and if they have been bullied and if so where to find the bad bad boy, go hunt him down!

lol, so you're basically saying. If you don't like PvP - then do PvP!

@sn4res said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@katttruewalker said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder

Sea of Thieves has always been a SWAG - Shared World Adventure Game.

If you go to the website and read through the page 'About', you see that it's the pve aspects which are talked about alongside the added threat of not knowing how other pirate crews are going to react to you - friend or foe...

https://www.seaofthieves.com/game

If you watch one of the first videos, you hear Joe and Neate talking about living the pirate life - sailing, camaraderie, adventure alongside the possible ship combat with other players. It's meant to be holistic, a world in which dangers and challenges come from the environment as well as those other pirates and their unknown intentions.

https://youtu.be/bJ25OF7f5us?list=PL_nMBAOk-hFrtzlHK4mr8Oi4aPXUsGcbM

All i am saying is this game is to some extend based on anarchy and i think it helps to have exciting and thrilling pirate experience as much as pve as pvp wise and too many people in this forum cry about how unfair anarchy is and that me and a whole lot of other player wouldnt want it to change.

Anarchy is as much pirate as digging up treasure and sailing a ship is!

Please respect that not everybody want this game to be PvE based!

If you really hate PVP-ers so much then play it by your own rules like we PvP-ers do and be the Cop, the superhero who hunts down every galleon that is bullying sloops and show them what you think of bullies.... go and sail next to other players tell them you are a cop and if they have been bullied and if so where to find the bad bad boy, go hunt him down!

lol, so you're basically saying. If you don't like PvP - then do PvP!

Hehe ;D you caught me

@logansdadtoo said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder
This game was never based on Anarchy, it's again down to the aggressive playstyle's forcing their will on others. That's what's driven it to become this. There are no rules, but that doesn't mean it should be or is based on anarchy.
If most PVPers didn't shoot on sight or automatically start chasing another ship as soon as they see it, then this game would be a much different place to be.
Therefore your playstyle has introduced said Anarchy.
Before release this game was much more fun & had a friendlier more helpful community!
Oh if only.................

Damn... You're right, lol. I played for much longer sessions during the beta's, and then bored anyone in range afterwards with non stop tales of my many interactions with other players, tales of care free-fun and dumb stuff.

Now I can only handle an hour or so tops, because it's mentally draining constantly keeping an eye out for other ships which are now deemed instant threats. I don't really have many interactions with others because I leave as soon as I see another ship now.

And now my tales are more about the constant fear of attack and the need to be ever-vigilant while doing any activity. Not saying it's a bad thing entirely, it can be exciting. but mostly it's become a bit of a chore..

How I perceive other players/ships has definitely changed anyway, lets say I don't hang about to try and make friends anymore :D

@moomintroll said in We need more PvP, not less!:

An important thing to remember is that anarchy =/= chaos, and anarchy =/= no rules - anarchy just means nobody is in charge. But the real beauty of anarchy as a social system is that, in time, rules can be established, agreed and enforced by the collective. Those rules might devolve into 'survival of the fittest', and they might evolve into cooperative systems of alliances, policing and barter. If we're to stay true to this anarchic ideal, which I believe is a cornerstone of this game and the Sea of Thieves itself, the answer is to wait and see how it goes, but most importantly for everyone to take their rightful place in shaping how it goes, within the game. This game already has the capacity for this to happen. But the answer is not to look for an authority figure to step in and enforce rules/structure/segregation.

So you are basicly

1. Admitting that the game has anarchy base

2. That it is quite much about how the players socialise and engage with each other and the beauty of how this has often unexpected outcomes

Then why would anybody..
A) limit the anarchy and its beautiful variety of interesting outcomes and social engagements?
B) eat a banana with the peel still on?

@moomintroll said in We need more PvP, not less!:

@genereder I'm not arguing with you dude, I think I'm agreeing with you... I can't tell anymore!

...a banana.. with its peel still on.... how are we not discussing this! We are wasting our time with pvp when rare should obviously fix the game first! I want bananas without peel! What comes next? Eating a whole coconut in one bite?

@moomintroll
What if eating banana with peel is the live lesson that sea of thieves is trying to teach us? What if it means you cant have the good without the bad? What if it means you cant have pve without pvp?