Huzzah! It’s finally happened, those complaining about DA sails giving an advantage and how all sails should be the same as the DA ones, check Rare’s official stance here: https://x.com/seaofthieves/status/1722274265834336524?s=46
Very happy this has been commented on as I was personally tired having to respond to those moaning about it.
TL;DR - The cut is being removed and they’re making sure all sails are consistent from now on.
@jetorchidee97 same! Just very happy the change isn’t in the direction that those who will ultimately moan about this.
@d3adst1ck well that was always the request but at least with this stance we know now it’ll never happen.
@crowedhunter said in DA Sail debate is over:
Well for all we know, they might just raise all the sails a little bit and DA would keep advantage with a slightly smaller advantage.
Seems like a lot of work to adjust all sails when they could just adjust a handful. They aren't going to do more than they have to, particularly when the route to parity is just fixing the small number of outliers.
@d3adst1ck Well they'd be adjusting the boats. Which means only 3 boats. As opposed to 6 individual sails per sail design. Still might be easier to do the sails though. I think the tasks are different enough where the only thing they really have in common is that they involve modeling.
@tesiccl said in DA Sail debate is over:
@crowedhunter in the video Drew literally says that they want players to communicate with their crew, there’s no way they change the sail height.
That's a good point. I hope you're right.
@d3adst1ck Yeah, that's a good point too; I wasn't even thinking about the ladders. Just trying to temper my expectations so I don't get disappointed later. But I think this one is real guys:)
@kyxaa sagte in DA Sail debate is over:
If they directly nerf the DA sails, they need to offer some sort of compensation to those of us who spent the full 8 mil for them pre-nerf. A limited cosmetic would be preferred, but a partial refund of the 8 mil is probably an easier way.
I didn't get any refund, when the original year 1 prices got lowered
I didn't any refund, when trinkets got theyr price lowered
So why should we get a refund for this? Doesn't make sense...
If you bought it just for the V-cut, I just quote a character from "The Simpsons": HaHa!
I'm happy you guys have good dedicated crews for galleons. A rock with a smiley face drawn on it would do for me, Brig is the biggest ship we can consistently get on the seas.
Every time I sail on a Galleon/Brig, half the crew is AFK until something happens. Who do I communicate to, or I should just ''tell em off'' every 2 minutes for being useless? Sailing on a sloop gets boring and a change of ship is nice from time to time.
Also, if people jump off to Islands to look for supplies/treasures they might have a hard time to tell me of any obstacles ahead.
So when I need to steer, raise sails, check horizon, that cut does wonders.
P.S. If people like me who 'need' the sails are bad...you people must be PVP gods, you should probably stream this game and make some easy money, if its the DA sails that show you an easy target, for me you know its the Xbox sails, Crab people etc ^^
@zig-zag-ltu I feel this. This is why I will never leave the sloop. I don't like telling people what to do. Then there's also people who can't work as a team unless you say please every time.
But yes, your crew is expected to help you sail the ship.
Now I can run my 37.8 million gold DA ship without feeling/looking like a player that is so serious about advantages at the cost of their own fun. I just like black and red (duh) and the reputation of this set was tainted by either a perceived advantage or the idea of a crutch.
DA sails have never won anyone a fight, but they contribute to a lot of apathy towards Rare and players focusing on sails rather than why they're actually winning/losing. It did give un-cooperative crews less need for teamwork.
Players will stop complaining about the DA sails, hyper-advantage oriented will move to other sails, and DA sails will become less popular. That's a good thing.
@eguzky sagte in DA Sail debate is over:
What are DA sales and why were people complaining about them?
Very expensive sails, bought in the legendary hideout, with a massive v-cut at the bottom, which let you see more without putting them up
Well, not anymore
Ask your crew for a courtesy curl before they go afk. Easy behavioral fix for your/their playstyle that doesn't require unnecessary specialized equipment.
I've always been ambivalent about the DA sail debate. I always thought people overhyped the advantage and never cared one way or the other whether it got adapted, fixed, etc. But now Rare has taken a stance... So be it. Crews that relied on it can adapt. More variety of sails in the seas is a good thing.
@strangeness I certainly applaud the variety on the seas just like pre-DA sails. The game will finally feel more unique again.
Regarding your advice for the crew...Man it's easier said than done. If all it took was one word, one sentence and everyone would live happily ever after, we would not have such a discussion. The way it is, it's basically sailing Galleon as a duo or not sailing galleon at all. So no more cut, means even more of the 2nd options. I could manage Galleon with one other crew mate for anything PVE (apart heavy damage in world events) , but it's just not fun to do ''competitive'' sailing against environment and put in as much effort as trying to pull of Fatality in Mortal Kombat for minutes non stop.
Also another thing that bothers me, if you have watched the documentary, a lot of time Rare showed their support for people with disabilities who found love for this game. Which is amazing.
So is it so difficult for devs to understand that not everyone like to boss people around on a computer game? I don't like telling people of when I am trying to have a good time. If I was working in Rare office, and they went afk while we are sailing, they could easily report me to HR next day for things I would say.
Also if I am playing with new people, less experienced, maybe someone from their documentary? Do I tell them NO Don't jump to that island your job is to look left!!!! No you cant check the barrels I need you on sails!!??
Yeah no..
@approvedjoey said in DA Sail debate is over:
I don’t know why it’s so bad to have the helmsman being able to see where he’s going. It can’t be that hard to just let any sail you want to have these sail cutouts for people to use. No one would complain if this were to happen and everyone would be happy.
They would have to duplicate and change every existing and future sail added to the game, so yes it's a lot harder than it would be to just change a handful of sails.
@zig-zag-ltu
I agree that sailing on a galleon can be stressful for the "captain"... people want to do their own thing, or how all 3 other players will congregate near the bow to look at one thing... and no one likes to boss around their crew, and especially not their friends.
What you need to realize (and make your crew realize) is that it's more selfish on your crewmates' part to not even think about your needs during a session.
So you don't have to boss anyone around, just say something like "Angle the sails." or "Could someone help me angle the sails?" It just has to be clear to the crew that you can't sail the ship on your own. You may have to actually tell them this, but you have to do it if you want a cohesive session. From my experience, when the "captain" states what they want in a PvP scenario, everyone works together pretty quickly.
@grumpyw01f true but you dont really need them for pvp tbh unless someone is running. They are more for sailing from a to b with a luxury view. And i understand what you mean, but players with day 1 patch or thousdands of hours know better, constant nagging would feel like bossing around.
It can’t be that hard to just let any sail you want to have these sail cutouts for people to use.
Look up "texture wrapping" or "texture mapping". You need to apply a texture to a model to get a visible object in a game. To apply the DA cut to every sail, you would need to at least make an alternate texture for every sail, but most likely also an extra model for every sail, and on top of that, a system to switch between texture/model pairs. This is not something that any developer would want to do for such a small feature. There is no system in place that could change textures on the fly. There is no "apply cut" button at Rare HQ. There is no inexpensive way to give these cuts to all sails.
No doubt, sails like DA are getting a texture and/or model change when the alteration is implemented. Anything else would be a waste of time & money.
Add on top of that, Sonicbob made it clear that this change was to ensure that players would need teamwork to control ships. So, applying cuts across the board is not only expensive, but also against the developers' vision of gameplay.
@zig-zag-ltu said in DA Sail debate is over:
@grumpyw01f true but you dont really need them for pvp tbh unless someone is running. They are more for sailing from a to b with a luxury view. And i understand what you mean, but players with day 1 patch or thousdands of hours know better, constant nagging would feel like bossing around.
Veteran players should know to help out. I get it, many don't, but they would at least know to do it when asked. I just don't find that I have to say much to get from point a to b. There's only so many times that the wind will change on you, and there's nothing else to do. So how are you nagging?
It just seems like you aren't comfortable with letting others know what needs done, and that's fine. But, in my opinion, the second you stop trying to fix a problem, you lose the right to complain about it. You'll continue to angle the sails yourself until your crew learns empathy or you let them know that you can't sail the ship on your own.
@danbeardluff That is so funny. I remember thinking something very similar some time before the DA sails. I had just learned about the ones with holes and I wanted them so bad for the obviously massive advantage they would provide me as a solo.
So - I use those sails. But they depict the mighty Jackdaw, not some lame Disney-sparrow.
Anyway, yeah. I really do catch stuff through the holes in the sails sometimes. Kind of negligible, but it is advantageous if I'm being honest. I like the tattered sails since the Jackdaw sunk. But I'd be fine if they took 'em out too.
@kyxaa said in DA Sail debate is over:
If they directly nerf the DA sails, they need to offer some sort of compensation to those of us who spent the full 8 mil for them pre-nerf. A limited cosmetic would be preferred, but a partial refund of the 8 mil is probably an easier way.
If you bought the sails for an unintended advantage; That's your fault.
The devs owe nothing to anyone when they change cosmetics in the game to be more in-line with how they want it to be played.
That'd be like buying Hull & Sails paint jobs simply because they perfectly match the sky (and thus makes you invisible on the horizon), and then demanding compensation when the devs change it because they did not intend that.
