@soulstinger2k20 said in DA Sail debate is over:

@tesiccl Do I need to? No. Is it a pointless irritation to have to constantly hop around to see? Yes.

I solo sloop constantly, and i can say, hopping around to see isnt annoying if you wernt on the helm to begin with. You dont need to be on the helm constantly and get off occasionally to look around, you should be off the helm looking around, and only get on it for a moment to turn.

Both while sailing island to island, or in a battle, i hardly touch the helm other than to adjust, because unless you are in the storm, you should never need to be on the wheel 24/7 for any reason.

@silverwing-525 said in DA Sail debate is over:

Honestly? In a way, it's sort of sad that they have to make this alteration as it does remove a portion of the unique style of these sails. However, I understand why it's needed and how it's a good thing, because the unintentional advantage it offers ends up breaking the very delicate balance that the devs have been trying (and sadly, often failing) to maintain. It's a shame that Sea of Thieves has become so competitive that every little thing is seen not as fun additions, but just something to abuse and exploit (i.e. TT portals, DA sails, etc) for pvp.

That's a problem with competitive games, be it PvP or leaderboards; Some people will abuse anything that gives them even the tiniest advantage.
There was a free time-trial/obstacle course game made By Dorito's on the Xbox 360, and people cheated to get times of 00:00:00.01 seconds.

And if people will cheat to be the top on the nonsense leaderboard of a tortilla-chip-themed game; Imagine how much worse it is in a game like SoT, where you can steal people's treasure or emissary flags for actual gain.
And when the devs fix the exploits (see quick switching & these sails); the abusers try to state that they are the victims and they are owed compensation for losing their loopholes.

Honestly? In a way, it's sort of sad that they have to make this alteration as it does remove a portion of the unique style of these sails. However, I understand why it's needed and how it's a good thing, because the unintentional advantage it offers ends up breaking the very delicate balance that the devs have been trying (and sadly, often failing) to maintain. It's a shame that Sea of Thieves has become so competitive that every little thing is seen not as fun additions, but just something to abuse and exploit (i.e. TT portals, DA sails, etc) for pvp.

@soulstinger2k20 Yeah, I'm getting real tired of people using the "it's been years" argument to try and justify things staying in game. Time has no relevance, if there's an issue that they want to fix, they're going to fix it.

@tesiccl Again; you assume I don't do these things. My "stubbornness and refusal" are complete fabrications on your part.

The fact is that this necessity is annoying
You are fine with this; good for you. I am annoyed by it; I run DA sails. Good for me.
After YEARS Rare has decided to reduce the DA sails' visibility improvements; I am voicing my counter opinion.

End of story ; )

@soulstinger2k20 said in DA Sail debate is over:

@eguzky My opinion isnt wrong; its my opinion. It runs counter to Rare's intentions, and I will voice it.

Opinions can be wrong. Case in point; your opinion on how the game works.
Plus, ending your comment with 'end of story' implies that you think you are correct to the point that there is no more discussion to be had from anyone.

@soulstinger2k20 then communicate with your crew, or if you’re solo, curl your sail slightly. The solutions are there but your stubbornness and refusal to do them and pass it off as bad game design is why your opinion is not only flawed, but factually inaccurate.

@eguzky My opinion isnt wrong; its my opinion. It runs counter to Rare's intentions, and I will voice it.

@tesiccl Do I need to? No. Is it a pointless irritation to have to constantly hop around to see? Yes.

@soulstinger2k20 said in DA Sail debate is over:

IMHO the person steering the ship being unable to easily see to steer the ship is a terrible design choice.

Having to constantly move in order to see, require constant communication from teammates, or give up optimal speed in order to see where you're going is just bad.

End of story.

That's literally the point and you are wrong.

End of story.

@soulstinger2k20 Rare do not share your honest opinion. If you need to stay glued to the helm, then you’re a poor helmsman.

@zig-zag-ltu There is a meta for high end pvp (helm, main, flex and bilge) but for everything else crews organize more organically and part of the fun for many is to find this stuff out on their own. Kaijoi has got great guides for each meta roles on his youtube channel if your interested and want to skip the discovering phase.

Open crews will always be at a disadvantage against a crew used to sail together. Which is ultimately the point of open crews : meeting new players and creating your actual crew over time with the ones you clicked with.

Regarding the DA Sail. I will be happy to see a bit more variety. I don't care about a refund and, given how easy gold is to acquire, I don't think that it is warranted.

IMHO the person steering the ship being unable to easily see to steer the ship is a terrible design choice.

Having to constantly move in order to see, require constant communication from teammates, or give up optimal speed in order to see where you're going is just bad.

End of story.

@eguzky Because this game has a feature called - Open Crew. Like I mentioned in another post, people here need to try harder to think outside their own experience. Sure you have a crew, who you sail with all the time, so something like ''raise sails'' is automatic, but when you have 3 randoms or players who never played with you before, might run to one spot to raise the same sail, might run to the same hole to fix it, wasting time and missing out other roles.

Last session I sank a galleon by myself, twice. You could tell they were open crew as they were doing these communications you mentioned. Their ship had Kraken sails and hull. SO obviously not fresh new pirates, but not sweats either. All I had to do was take their masts, set them on fire and put some holes, we were in the middle of fleets event.

What I am trying to say, is having an established 'meta' via official guides, would make open crews a more formidable force. Nothing over complicated, but people with thousands of hours on galleon (maybe someone like yourself?) and developers, should talk and then establish simple things as.

Helm - expected to give commands, steer the ship, defend ladders and raise the back sail
Back Cannons - expected to man the cannons, protect the ladders, manage the middle sails
Front Cannons - expected to man the cannons, manage the front sail, board.
Bilge - expected to fix the ship, defend the ladders, board if needed.

This is just my idea of what a well operated ship should do, I don't have a lot of experience on the galleon, so I could be very wrong. But you get the idea and the intention right?

@rlkaa said in DA Sail debate is over:

Then you turn around and suggest the time modelers (not coders) are spending fixing sails should be spent fixing coding errors.

simply correct the other bugs that have been present in the game for a long time

I dont wish to stay in on this argument but i would like to point out that this claim does show a misunderstanding how game development works just as he said. Changing the model of the sails will have no impact on engine fixes to patch out bugs since model designers dont fix bugs, they may not even know coding, and thus would take nothing away from bug fixing time.

3D model changes on an item with no collision will have no effect on the rest of the engine changes or bug fixes.

@eguzky

Yet here you are, complaining that they are 'taking so much time' to fix the problem, then saying they should make all other sails like DA sails...which would take MORE time to implement as a fix.

we're not that close anymore

Then you turn around and suggest the time modelers (not coders) are spending fixing sails should be spent fixing coding errors.

simply correct the other bugs that have been present in the game for a long time

Almost like you, as a consumer, don't have any idea what game development works and don't know what is realistic. Just 'I am consumer, so Rare should do what I want'.

Mix what they want and what the community wants ;)

@rlkaa said in DA Sail debate is over:

@eguzky

A lot of time has passed, some players have given their time to get them used to it, others have gotten used to it. And in view of what it brings (nothing), yes, in my opinion, it was not the best solution.

But in their opinion, it was the best solution.
The sails were not in line with their 'everything is even' goal for the game.

Yet here you are, complaining that they are 'taking so much time' to fix the problem, then saying they should make all other sails like DA sails...which would take MORE time to implement as a fix.

Then you turn around and suggest the time modelers (not coders) are spending fixing sails should be spent fixing coding errors.
Almost like you, as a consumer, don't have any idea what game development works and don't know what is realistic. Just 'I am consumer, so Rare should do what I want'.

@eguzky

A lot of time has passed, some players have given their time to get them used to it, others have gotten used to it. And in view of what it brings (nothing), yes, in my opinion, it was not the best solution.

But be careful, congratulations for the fix, it's already not bad !

@eguzky said in DA Sail debate is over:

So they are 'meeting the needs of the community' and you're badmouthing them for...meeting the need of the community, but not how YOU want?
Entitled much?

@rlkaa said in DA Sail debate is over:

@eguzky

Yes, because it's not my problem, I'm a consumer. The mistake was made and should have been corrected a long time ago. Meeting the needs of the community is a priority :)

And now that they are fixing it; you're whining that they are fixing it instead of something else.
So they are 'meeting the needs of the community' and you're badmouthing them for...meeting the need of the community, but not how YOU want?
Entitled much?

@eguzky

Yes, because it's not my problem, I'm a consumer. The mistake was made and should have been corrected a long time ago. Meeting the needs of the community is a priority :)

@rlkaa said in DA Sail debate is over:

I don't use them, but taking so much time to correct that is pathetic... I understand that a good part of the players want the cut adapted to all the other sails (many would have bought it in The Emporium for example ). it was the best decision to make. but as always, let's go the opposite.

When will there be a fix for the slowdown on the front mast of a Brig? when you pass too close, you almost get stuck.

You're acting like the modelers who are fixing the sails are the same people who would fix code.
Plus, altering every sail model to be like the cute sails would be MORE time-consuming than fixing the few outliers.
Just judging by how you call their attempts to keep the playing field even 'pathetic' shows you have 0 clue how game development works.

I don't use them, but taking so much time to correct that is pathetic... I understand that a good part of the players want the cut adapted to all the other sails (many would have bought it in The Emporium for example ). it was the best decision to make. but as always, let's go the opposite.

When will there be a fix for the slowdown on the front mast of a Brig? when you pass too close, you almost get stuck.

Its not like their advantage was big enough to really consider it very useful, but hey, this will at least get rid of one set of complaints finally, but i cant wait to see the same people who complained about quick swap being removed, claiming this will also some how reduce the skill gap as well.