How to easily balance PvP Gunfights

@galactic-geek Blunderbuss one shotting players is balanced? Everyone and their mom is still using it. Also haven't you guys already got your console-only servers?

@galactic-geek said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@galactic-geek Blunderbuss one shotting players is balanced? Everyone and their mom is still using it. Also haven't you guys already got your console-only servers?

One shot blunderbuss is balanced because there is an easy counter to it - step back. It requires you to be point-blank for it to work, and if your opponent is backpedaling, then you're already essentially wasting your shot unless you can knock him off of the ship with the shot.

^ This.

Also, the blunderbuss fires 10 pellets, and each one does 10% dmg. The reality is that you have to hit a full-health pirate with all 10 pellets to O-S-K them. I don't see that as unbalanced

Yeah, what was I thinking. Gunfights are perfectly balanced, that's why the game is dying. Seems like the community just wants unfair gameplay, ruin people's experience, and get rid of any sort of skill possible.

As I said years ago, this game's shooting mechanics are worse than any other game in the market. Balance, hit detection, physics, it's all a mess. But go on, keep it how it is. This will sure keep people playing.

You know something is wrong with the weapons when people are forced to use a specific gun because 90% of the time, it's the best option. How often are fights on islands or in the water, when compared to close quarters on the ship? Oh please...

@galactic-geek said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

Yeah, what was I thinking. Gunfights are perfectly balanced, that's why the game is dying. Seems like the community just wants unfair gameplay, ruin people's experience, and get rid of any sort of skill possible.

As I said years ago, this game's shooting mechanics are worse than any other game in the market. Balance, hit detection, physics, it's all a mess. But go on, keep it how it is. This will sure keep people playing.

You know something is wrong with the weapons when people are forced to use a specific gun because 90% of the time, it's the best option. How often are fights on islands or in the water, when compared to close quarters on the ship? Oh please...

The game is dying? Where's your proof? You my friend, have conjecture, at best.

Smart pirates use whichever firearm best suits the situation they're in since they're all specifically designed around being used in various environments and at various ranges - this inherently makes them balanced because no one weapon is better than another, depending on the circumstances.

You only THINK the blunderbuss is used 90% of the time because many players prefer boarding as a means to win, despite it not being the most effective way at doing so in of itself. I can't really blame them though, because it sure is fun to do!

Honestly, what complete rubbish this is. @BactaTankBill made perfect sense. It is just ridiculous that players are using a close range weapon at close range. From now on I have decided to gallantly throw my sword at other pirates and will remove a cannon from my ship and lumber around wielding it.

Here’s my get-balanced quick plan for OP:

Use blunderbuss at close range
Use sword at close range
Use pistol at medium range
Use EoR at long range
Use cannon at very long range
Use speaking trumpet to taunt at a very long range
Use forums to moan on a range of subjects

(Though OP seems to already know how to do one of the above perhaps?)

That’ll be 20 doubloons, I’ve got a macaw to feed...

But also, blunderbuss are used for golden skeletons, captains and players.

If you are trying to clear skull forts without a pistol or EoR then you are mad, the slug guns have a purpose and there’s a genuinely quick way to fix it.

You ever in a fight and suddenly go, damn, I wish I had an EoR or pistol right now! Well, if you put the ammo crate and change weapon crate on the ship mast or somewhere central to the ship, then players could make the play and get a more adept weapon for their situation.

And whilst I know the majority of death are to sword and blunderbuss, I genuinely think a decent amount of people use the Flint and Eye.

@galactic-geek said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

Yeah, what was I thinking. Gunfights are perfectly balanced, that's why the game is dying. Seems like the community just wants unfair gameplay, ruin people's experience, and get rid of any sort of skill possible.

As I said years ago, this game's shooting mechanics are worse than any other game in the market. Balance, hit detection, physics, it's all a mess. But go on, keep it how it is. This will sure keep people playing.

You know something is wrong with the weapons when people are forced to use a specific gun because 90% of the time, it's the best option. How often are fights on islands or in the water, when compared to close quarters on the ship? Oh please...

The game is dying? Where's your proof? You my friend, have conjecture, at best.

Plenty of proof. Check twitch streams, viewers are low as are streams, used to be near the top of the list. Check Facebook likes, barely 200 per post, used to be in the thousands. Check reddit posts, now we're seeing posts with two digit upvotes near the hot feed, used to also be in the thousands. Try doing an open crew, you're likely to team up with a single player where in the past you'd be ALWAYS in full groups. What I'm getting at is that the interest of the game is dying and people like you are responsible for it.

You push skill out of the window, you pushed out the PC community, and you push to keep watered down features that leave this game more of a social experiment than an actual video game.

Smart pirates use whichever firearm best suits the situation they're in since they're all specifically designed around being used in various environments and at various ranges - this inherently makes them balanced because no one weapon is better than another, depending on the circumstances.

Yes, most players use the blunderbuss because it's their preference style. It's not because it's far superior than most other weapons in PvP situations. Either you're lying to encourage poor lack of skill gameplay, or you don't play at all and stay on the forums for what I don't know what.

You only THINK the blunderbuss is used 90% of the time because many players prefer boarding as a means to win, despite it not being the most effective way at doing so in of itself. I can't really blame them though, because it sure is fun to do!

Oh so you just admitted what I said above. Not surprised. This is why developers should stop listening to the community in regards to balance, because they will ask for whatever benefits them, and have no regard of how it effects other players. I can blunderbuss all day too, but it's boring and lame. I prefer skill, I prefer shooting at a distance, but it's pointless in this game. It's like fortnite, just use a shotty. Oh how fun! Not.

@wilbymagicbear said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

Man, I would LOVE to get one shot by every PC player I come across. It's not bad enough with the still reliable double gun now, no, just hand every mouse and keyboard a free instakill.

Yes, lets have the game dedicated for Xbox players only. Again, haven't you guys already gotten your console only servers and you're still complaining? I bet if you could get rid of PC players entirely, you would. Keep killing off the community as you guys whine on reddit about the game dying and wanting to cross platform with PS4 too because of it.

@galactic-geek said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 What you are referring to is not "dying" per sé - it's just a natural lull that every game experiences after the initial hype wears off (and newer games release) where they taper out to an even keel.

Literally what every community says in every dying game. Yet there are plenty of games that retain popularity for years before falling short like sea of thieves does continuously. Now sea of thieves did improve a lot from the past but they also damaged the game. Whether it was separating players into different game modes or focusing on PvE instead of focusing on PvP or other multiplayer aspects. I also remember the ship damage update, people were whining for weeks. Honestly this was one of the better additions to the game that actually makes it more unique and entertaining. This community is shooting itself in the foot.

We need more depth and content. The shooting aspects in this game, which you do a lot of in this game, is so watered down that it's similar, if not worse, than what you find when you open up a tutorial in the Unreal Engine. This is inexcusable, stop defending it please for the sake of keeping the game alive.

@wilbymagicbear said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 Oh yeah, entitled Xbox players who don't want to play with a handicap. How greedy of us to not be happy as punching bags for you. Opt-out servers are only for Arena, and they rarely work.

I'm not the one who made the game crossplay. I'm not the one that forces you to play with PC players. I personally would like crossplay to cease to exist. However, we shouldn't ruin gameplay for the sake of imbalances between console and PC. Add a way to opt out of crossplay, I'm all for it, but the devs are not. I'm sure everyone would be more happy about it. Now if we could opt out, would you then agree with headshots?

@galactic-geek said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

@trenix90 You think defending the game I enjoy playing is what's killing the game? Boy, do you need to get your ducks in a row... It's all of your negative retoric from yourself and others that give any game its bad reputation - publicity sells, and none better than bad sensationalist news. The gaming world would be far better off if players just stopped making nonsensical complaints, made actual good solutions, and just played the games they enjoyed. How does "the game is dying" help anyone? You're just fishing for attention...

What, do you think constructive criticism is toxic? Cry me a river. It's fans like you who ruin the game, where you defend it, despite there being clear problems that can never be addressed because you intimidate anyone who thinks differently. You push out anyone who doesn't conform to this fan mob mentality. The only reason we're having an issue is that it wont work on me. The shooting aspects in this game are garbage, PvP gunfights are garbage, and there is absolutely no balance whatsoever. PvP is mostly cannons and blunderbusses, don't get mad that I speak the truth. Be mad that you're not honest with yourself. That mindset you have will accomplish nothing.

@trenix90 said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

Yeah, what was I thinking. Gunfights are perfectly balanced, that's why the game is dying.

Been hearing how this game is dying since launch, yet by any measure from Rare/MS, it's quite healthy.
How many tankards of grog will pirates drink in 24hrs?
At twenty players spread across six ships, it's not like anyone can tell anyways.

As I said years ago, this game's shooting mechanics are worse than any other game in the market. Balance, hit detection, physics, it's all a mess. But go on, keep it how it is. This will sure keep people playing.

Don't know about you, pirate, but I'm here for the water and the ship combat.
You can find shooting mechanics in any other freaking game since before Columbine.

You know something is wrong with the weapons when people are forced to use a specific gun because 90% of the time, it's the best option. How often are fights on islands or in the water, when compared to close quarters on the ship? Oh please...

I see one weapon for ship defence, one for longer range attacks, and another for closer versatility.
Proper tool for the job, is that not why Rare rebalanced guns last year?
Because I remember nobody used a blunderbuss prior to that.

@barnabas-seadog said in How to easily balance PvP Gunfights:

I see one weapon for ship defence, one for longer range attacks, and another for closer versatility.
Proper tool for the job, is that not why Rare rebalanced guns last year?
Because I remember nobody used a blunderbuss prior to that.

What are you talking about, I was here since the game was released. Since when did everyone ever stop using blunderbusses? It's something people wanted nerfed in the beginning, since forever. It just never happened.

Never gonna happen.

Headshots? Unfair. Because that means changing damage outputs on weapons.

Blunderbuss: literally is a pirate version of a CoD shotgun. One shot point blank.

Flintlock: 50% damage per shot. Gotta land 2 shots before they heal up. Same fire rate/reload speed as the blunderbuss

Eye of Reach: 70% damage per shot (used to be 80% I believe). Enough said.

Swords can take.... lord, i dunno i think one whole combo and the enemy is dead? Not sure.

I’m pretty sure the blunderbuss already got a nerf anyways if you check patch notes for smuggler’s fortune.

All is fair within the Sea of Thieves.

@ultmateragnarok

Thanks!! I was always confused on the attack combo (knew about the sword dash tho but I didnt clarify that lol thanks!)

@trenix90

In regards to this ‘the game is dying, I have proof’ - I.e numbers pulled into whatever fictitious construct you feel convenient.

Any relatively experienced player would know that open crew is a lottery - sometimes you get great funny people and sometimes you get mic-less trolls and afk'ers and noobs with whom (I hate to say it) certain missions are not viable. People make friends in this game quite frequently - so if they've made a good friend they'll play with that friend and friends of that friend and Open Crew will be used less by said player.

The LFG community is relatively big and (again) if they make friends with the people in the LFG they''ll play together and will cease to use LFG as much. Simple logic.

At the Anniversary, they released a visual image of SoT stats, look up 'Sea of Thieves Year One by Numbers' - including (among many promising ones) - that roughly 2.3 Million islands are visited on the daily. Say in one day a player visits 15 islands (reasonable, if large) then that totals out to a very rough estimate of 153,333 player playing worldwide on a daily basis. This was not including the Anniversary update, and so between that and content after it, one imagines that that number has either risen or plateaued at the bare minimum.

You realistically have diddly-sqwat evidence to back up their "this game is dying/dead" non-arguement.

I suggest that in future you do your research more thoroughly (or at all) before making doom and gloom posts based on complete and utter rubbish.

Just stop,
Goodbye

(If contextually some of this makes less sense, I copy pasted this from another thread, couldn’t be bothered to rewrite this just for your sake)