RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters

@verminpup said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

They've stated pretty clearly, I believe in the last podcast (available on their youtube channel) that both RARE and Microsoft's policy on hacking was tolerance-zero and that accounts would be banned.

They were also asking for people to keep reporting appropriately so that actions could be taken.

I'm seeking their official, written corporate policy.

"If it ain't in writing, it's a lie."

Verbal assurances are next to garbage.

@drayman86 Here is the xbox live code of conduct, since SoT operates on the XBL servers...

@mrbrocksego said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 Here is the xbox live code of conduct, since SoT operates on the XBL servers...

Thanks, but that's not the official internal corporate policy I was referring to. There are very, very likely written internal procedures on how to deal with these matters. THAT is what I seek.

Is there truly a method to prohibit bad actors from playing the game? I have my doubts, since you don't make money by limiting your customer base.

@drayman86 Those don't get to play outside. Thats not how internal works.

@tundra-793 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

Rare and SOT developers have been stating that hacking and cheating will be dealt with....but the community isn't informed of the policy.

I call on @RareLtd and Microsoft Studios to fully disclose the policy regarding actions taken against players who hack or cheat.

Is there a policy in place to just reprimand, or is there a policy....IN WRITING....to actually ban bad actors from the game?

Please provide the community this information.

Thank you.

They provided answers to this a while ago; https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/top-feedback-points

Quoting the specific part;

"Cheating

We have seen a few reported instances of cheating, where players are compromising the game client or using programs to gain an advantage over other players. Everyone should understand the seriousness with which we treat this, and anyone identified as taking part will have action taken against them, up to and including permanent Xbox Live account bans. We have a zero tolerance approach to this.

Investigating: We are investigating and have detected some instances of suspicious behaviour, and will be taking direct action against anyone abusing the game in this way. The number of people we are currently investigating who show suspicious behaviour make up an extremely small portion of our player base. Work is ongoing against this as a high priority, once we are certain we have identified people cheating we will swiftly ban them. "

Thanks again, but I'm to interested in what's published on Rare's website or social media accounts.

There exists an internal, written corporate policy on the matter. That is what I'm asking Rare Ltd. and Microsoft Studios to fully disclose.

@verminpup said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

I'm sure you'll be able to find Microsoft's legal stance on hacking somewhere out there.

Pathetic reply from a Pioneer, Founder, and Insider. Are you a developer by chance?

Once again.

Rare needs to publish the Rare Ltd. and Microsoft Studios official corporate polity on hackers.

Anything short is a big "EF U" to the community.

@tuxydoh said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@tundra-793 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

Rare and SOT developers have been stating that hacking and cheating will be dealt with....but the community isn't informed of the policy.

I call on @RareLtd and Microsoft Studios to fully disclose the policy regarding actions taken against players who hack or cheat.

Is there a policy in place to just reprimand, or is there a policy....IN WRITING....to actually ban bad actors from the game?

Please provide the community this information.

Thank you.

They provided answers to this a while ago; https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/top-feedback-points

Quoting the specific part;

"Cheating

We have seen a few reported instances of cheating, where players are compromising the game client or using programs to gain an advantage over other players. Everyone should understand the seriousness with which we treat this, and anyone identified as taking part will have action taken against them, up to and including permanent Xbox Live account bans. We have a zero tolerance approach to this.

Investigating: We are investigating and have detected some instances of suspicious behaviour, and will be taking direct action against anyone abusing the game in this way. The number of people we are currently investigating who show suspicious behaviour make up an extremely small portion of our player base. Work is ongoing against this as a high priority, once we are certain we have identified people cheating we will swiftly ban them. "

Thanks again, but I'm to interested in what's published on Rare's website or social media accounts.

There exists an internal, written corporate policy on the matter. That is what I'm asking Rare Ltd. and Microsoft Studios to fully disclose.

Internal documents and policies are not public information, that is why they are called internal. You will not have access to said documents unless you are an employee with sufficient authorization

But, but, but...

Microsoft is a publicly traded company.

Surely the shareholders would want to have their corporate policies regarding participation on their website subject to full disclosure, yes?

@mrbrocksego said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 Here is the xbox live code of conduct, since SoT operates on the XBL servers...

Absent in this link is just HOW the code of conduct is enforced, if is is at all.

Pro tip: You don't make money prohibiting participants.

No major game developer or publisher has a grey area for just a wee bit o' honest cheating.

The process for finding and banning hackers is slow because there's often a human element to it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft, or any publisher isn't committed to banning confirmed hackers.

Get the 'ef OUTTA HERE.

NOW you're tell us that the game, or the game developers, have NO.

ZERO.

NADA.

NONE.

NOTHING.

To preventing hacking.

You are either a (1) Rare Troll Bot or (2) a fanatic.

Get real,.

@lowbei said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86

they dont owe you anything. Stop whining.

Wrong.

I purchased a premium-priced game from a stellar game studio.

It isn't.

Ratings are about 7.0, bugs are more than evident, hackers abound, and idiots like yourself are lining up to defend this nonsense,

@tundra-793 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

No major game developer or publisher has a grey area for just a wee bit o' honest cheating.

The process for finding and banning hackers is slow because there's often a human element to it, but that doesn't mean that Microsoft, or any publisher isn't committed to banning confirmed hackers.

Get the 'ef OUTTA HERE.

NOW you tell us that the game, or the game developers, have NO.

ZERO.

NADA.

NONE.

To preventing hacking.

You are either a (1) Rare Troll Bot or (2) a fanatic.

Get real,.

How you arrived at that conclusion from my post, will boggle philosophers for centuries.
Actually, I'm gonna go right ahead and implore you, sincerely, to explain to us, fellow gamers, how you determined to mean that my post infers that Rare and Microsoft don't know how to prevent hacking.

Burden of proof lies with the accuser, you're the accuser here.

Evidence: Hacks abound.

Denying them won't alter your defense.

@drayman86
Or should I post a few videos of hackers?

They abound. Check The You Tube.

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86
Or should I post a few videos of hackers?

They abound. Check The You Tube.

Major video game studio.

Backed up by the largest tech company on the planet.

And yet...hacks abound, and this after nearly FOUR WEEKS from a launch that was in the beta phase since...wait for it.....four months ago.

Pathetic.

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86
Or should I post a few videos of hackers?

They abound. Check The You Tube.

Major video game studio.

Backed up by the largest tech company on the planet.

And yet...hacks abound, and this after nearly FOUR WEEKS from a launch that was in the beta phase since...wait for it..... January of 2018.

Pathetic.

@lowbei said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@lowbei said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86

they dont owe you anything. Stop whining.

Wrong.

I purchased a premium-priced game from a stellar game studio.

It isn't.

Ratings are about 7.0, bugs are more than evident, hackers abound, and idiots like yourself are lining up to defend this nonsense,

a. your salty post was reported for flaming forum members. do not make the mistake of calling people names in the future :)

b. all games have bugs. you will survive somehow.

c. again, they dont owe you anything, and your forum tantrum is kind of embarrassing.

OK, from your post I understand the following:

"If you pay for a product that is deficient....."'Ef U'".

Got it.

Thanks.

@drayman86 this whole thread sounds like you want to make a hack that breaks the game and you dont want to get caught. If that is the case, your a child.
Secondly, like everyone has said, they dont even have to tell you they have a zero tolerance or anything in the matter of how they deal with hackers, hell they could've kept their mouth closed, and just ban people without warning. Its their game, not yours.
Stop griping and whining. They dont have to tell you anything. Your lashing out, wanting something that the public should've have, and wanting only that causing problems for anyone else here. Just stop. They dont have to tell you how or why or what they do for hackers, spammers, or anyone.

Also hacks will exist in any form on games. Wanna whine about sea being a new IP only a month old, just learning to crawl with hackers? CSGO still struggles with hackers, PUBG is flooded with hacks. Hacks will exist. Not telling how they deal with them is an edge they have to REMOVE the hacks.

@onyx-wartooth said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 this whole thread sounds like you want to make a hack that breaks the game and you dont want to get caught. If that is the case, your a child.
Secondly, like everyone has said, they dont even have to tell you they have a zero tolerance or anything in the matter of how they deal with hackers, hell they could've kept their mouth closed, and just ban people without warning. Its their game, not yours.
Stop griping and whining. They dont have to tell you anything. Your lashing out, wanting something that the public should've have, and wanting only that causing problems for anyone else here. Just stop. They dont have to tell you how or why or what they do for hackers, spammers, or anyone.

Also hacks will exist in any form on games. Wanna whine about sea being a new IP only a month old, just learning to crawl with hackers? CSGO still struggles with hackers, PUBG is flooded with hacks. Hacks will exist. Not telling how they deal with them is an edge they have to REMOVE the hacks.

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@onyx-wartooth said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 this whole thread sounds like you want to make a hack that breaks the game and you dont want to get caught. If that is the case, your a child.
Secondly, like everyone has said, they dont even have to tell you they have a zero tolerance or anything in the matter of how they deal with hackers, hell they could've kept their mouth closed, and just ban people without warning. Its their game, not yours.
Stop griping and whining. They dont have to tell you anything. Your lashing out, wanting something that the public should've have, and wanting only that causing problems for anyone else here. Just stop. They dont have to tell you how or why or what they do for hackers, spammers, or anyone.

Also hacks will exist in any form on games. Wanna whine about sea being a new IP only a month old, just learning to crawl with hackers? CSGO still struggles with hackers, PUBG is flooded with hacks. Hacks will exist. Not telling how they deal with them is an edge they have to REMOVE the hack

Also hacks will exist in any form on games. Wanna whine about sea being a new IP only a month old, just learning to crawl with hackers? CSGO still struggles with hackers, PUBG is flooded with hacks.

Sadly I speak only English. I don't understand your lingo.

I'm simply a sorry consumer who expects to get what I pay for, i.e major game from major tech corporation that actually 'effin works.

Silly me......

@nightmare247365 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 I think many of us understand what you are asking for, but it is in no way a big F* to us as players or to the community. Many other members have posted videos and XBox Lives TOS and description of how cheaters are dealt with.

I know you are not requesting the "PR" response, but many times even with shareholders there are NDAs and documents labeled "for internal use only " these documents are normally covered by legal and allowed to be released.

Many many many times companies like rare are as transparent as they can be. In this case the transparency is the Xbox Live TOS and their videos.

I payed money.

For a product.

That doesn't work.

Sucks to be me.....right?

#RareDontCare

@drayman86 you paid them, you got your product.
You aint happy? Get in line.
I didn't speak anything but English.
You want a example of a game that lacks content or even a breath of fresh air? Call of duty. They reskin every thing.
This is a brand new game, with new mechanics, new way to play. This isnt your day to day FPS with assault rifles and PDWs or akimbo pistols. This is a game involving ships, with sails and such.
This game works for the most part.
There will always be issues. The more issues you find, report them, send a support ticket. Let Rare know its a issue, and they will get around to fixing it.
You and me are nothing more than a consumer. They are not bound to please you. They could've literally given you a game with nothing, but they didn't. I knew for the most part what I was buying, following the trend of most modern games. Open/Closed beta, release the beta product with a few addons, release DLC, call it good.
Destiny did the exact same thing. Destiny for the most part turned out alright, after 3 years of care, and expensive DLC.
This game is atleast giving all the dlc out for free. Be happy your paying for a 60$ game with a freebie season pass.

@drayman86 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@nightmare247365 said in RARE: Fully Disclose Your Policy Regarding Hackers/Cheaters:

@drayman86 I think many of us understand what you are asking for, but it is in no way a big F* to us as players or to the community. Many other members have posted videos and XBox Lives TOS and description of how cheaters are dealt with.

I know you are not requesting the "PR" response, but many times even with shareholders there are NDAs and documents labeled "for internal use only " these documents are normally covered by legal and allowed to be released.

Many many many times companies like rare are as transparent as they can be. In this case the transparency is the Xbox Live TOS and their videos.

I payed money.

For a product.

That doesn't work.

Sucks to be me.....right?

#RareDontCare

Also, your asking how they deal with hackers internally. Not pointing out how the game is broken.