Jump spamming during combat

  • So I've noticed a new trend starting to develop. It seems like the new "best way" to fight in pvp is to spam your jump button and eat bananas. Now i don't know about anyone else but when I've tried this feat in reality I've found it quite difficult to accomplish. So i propose that bananas no longer be able to be eaten mid air.

    I had originally thought to suggest limiting how frequently someone could jump and figured the pc crowd would have heavy objections to limiting their advantage over console players.

    Thoughts?

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  • I find this extreamly easy on pc because bananas are number 3 and I switch back to my weapon slot 2 (blunder bust) with number 2. but it must be a lot harder on console

  • Furthmore, I don’t just jump and eat bananas, I try and circle the other player as quickly as possible (even going through their player model) so they don’t have enough time to even lock on to my body Cus of the slow rotation speed of console controllers.

  • It's not really a new trend at all...

    bunny hopping is common practice in every single first/third person shooter that allows jumping, since 1996's Quake.

    There's no solution to it, that doesn't involve heavily limiting the gameplay (and arguably, the player's fun).

  • Sorry for spam, but I do think there should be some speed penalty if you spam jump, because it’s extreamly easy on pc and unfair for console. Most fps game have a speed penalty after a few jumps to prevent just spamming jump.

  • Topic already in discussion. This be double posting and against forum regulations.
    Correct me if I am wrong.

  • @bobbythemod And there it is. Finally someone admits it. Thank you. Now, make crossplay an option!!!

  • @bobbythemod there are ways to do it on console, if you change your key bindings around. However, it's still cheesy

  • @seriouslyslyguy Yeah, i have the banana hot keyed on console, but as mentioned, it really does no good when a PC player is literally running circles around you while healing. This HAS to change & the easiest fix is a crossplay option.

  • @cebelicus i don't think that's the fix. I think just a miniscule delay between jumps would do the trick.

  • @seriouslyslyguy They can hop all day, as long as they're using the same control mechanics, I don't care.

  • @seriouslyslyguy Seems like since you arent good enough you want everyone else to be unable to do it?

  • @explosiveboby Pc still has an advantage over Xbox any day, but most FpS shooters (such as CSGO) prevent you from spamming Jump by having a speed penalty every time you jump. so the more you jump, the slower you get.

  • @super-poopsy thats wrong star citizen has a solution for it there you have a stamina system so you cant jump endless

  • @Captain-Cocatox wow dude, of all the games you could have mentioned, you point star citizen as an example.

    I seriously hope there's sarcasm in there...

  • @super-poopsy why sarcasm, they have seen a problem with bunny hopping and have made a solution

  • really maybe just make a stamina system where you can only jump 2-3 times in a row

  • @seriouslyslyguy I agree with having an option for console only servers. I've played on both PC and Xbox X and there is a clear advantage to PC. Jumping is used way too often in non-combat situations to add a penalty for jumping every time. If they are going to address this issue I would recommend adding a stamina bar. The stamina bar would enable you to jump 2-3 times before having a movement penalty. Coincidentally they could tie things like lung strikes to the stamina bar so we could better time continuation strikes/actions.

  • @explosiveboby lol hardly. But if you want to be like, that then it seems like you need to bunny hop because you aren't good enough in a toe-to-toe.

  • @super-poopsy fortnite has you limited to like 3 jumps in a row in that it reduces your vertical momentum heavily if you just spam your jump. As soon as you walk like 2 steps you're back to your normal jump. works quite well

    on top of all things I need jump as a way of communication - 1 jump: yes; 2 jumps: yes yes; 3 and more jumps: I'm extremely exited and may or maynot whant you to sink my ship

  • It's not the new best way. It's always been the best way. It's objectively more difficult to aim at something that is moving up and down as well as left and right. DUH.

    "Tried this feat in reality"

    Have you tried firing a muzzle loaded gun under water? Have you tried firing yourself from a cannon and landed on your feet, uninjured? Have you jumped from a boat in the middle of the ocean and found that a mermaid showed up to return you to your boat? All of this stuff is literally impossible. Jumping while eating a banana is merely difficult for clumsy people.

  • So wait, nerf jumping because some people cant hit a moving target? Its not about the hardware someone uses, its about the player. Tons of controller users have pooped on kb/m users. Look at these people who use scuf controllers, they hop around like crazy to and can kill with no problem. I think this is more of a practice makes perfect type deal here.

  • @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

  • Guild Wars 2 has a great stamina bar system where you get two dodges (please Rare can we get dodges) before your stamina is emptied and it replenishes over time. This regenerative stamina bar could be tied to jumping, lunge attacks, dodges etc. You could also make it so bananas restore life and stamina so a player would have to choose if he/she has full life but wants to replenish stamina to waste a banana or not.
    Finally, just like in Guild Wars 2, there is a in combat and out of combat status that allows you to move faster when your are aout of combat, this concept could be used on stamina. Meaning, if you are out of combat you can jump all you want while exploring searching for treasure etc, but as soon as you enter combat jumping will cost stamina

  • @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

    You use the word should. Why? Give reasons. I can put a banana in my mouth right now and jump. Why should it be cancelled?

  • @CashmereCaptian The really stupid thing is that Sea of Thieves has a form of dodge aswell, except that people don't use it (many are not even aware it exists) nor has been made integral part of the gameplay, it's just there half-a***d, as many other gameplay mechanics.

    If you parry with your sword and jump left or right, it will make a dash leap much like gw2 dodges, if only they added an invulnerability frame to that animation, you would have something that could be actually used in game to avoid being shot by an enemy player or an aimbotting skeleton, and it would add a layer of skill based gameplay.

  • @super-poopsy WHAAAATTT?! I never did know about this. I'll have to give it a shot. Cheers

  • @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

    You use the word should. Why? Give reasons. I can put a banana in my mouth right now and jump. Why should it be cancelled?

    You can’t eat a banana while jumping in circles uninterrupted. You will begin to just half a*s one or the other.
    And th “reason” in a game only needs to be that it would make the game better and more competitive. PC gamers having so many advantages is bad for a game that has far more console players than PC players.

  • Bananas shouldn't heal instantly and jumping is fine for me. It doesn't impact my accuracy at all when someone is jumping up and down. Being that you can't reload while sprinting, maybe you shouldn't reload while jumping (don't remember if you can).

  • @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

    You use the word should. Why? Give reasons. I can put a banana in my mouth right now and jump. Why should it be cancelled?

    You can’t eat a banana while jumping in circles uninterrupted. You will begin to just half a*s one or the other.

    Assumptions. Do you have any indisputable facts?

  • @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

    You use the word should. Why? Give reasons. I can put a banana in my mouth right now and jump. Why should it be cancelled?

    You can’t eat a banana while jumping in circles uninterrupted. You will begin to just half a*s one or the other.

    Assumptions. Do you have any indisputable facts?
    Dude jumping anywhere near the height in game requires using the whole body, arms included. You can’t maintain that while shoving a banana in your face.

    And the idea that we should be able to do it in game because we can kind of sort of barely do something similar in real life is flat stupid.
    If you think the banana and jumping mechanic should be “realistic” then eating a banana should not heal bullet wounds.

    Besides jumping in FPS has always been a cheese mechanic in every FPS. I served more than 20 years in the military and tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Running around jumping up and down does not make someone more effective in combat.

    Besides, the cheese mechanic creates an additional and avoidable advantage between PC and console. That is enough reason alone to fix it. Console gamers are unlikely to switch to PC to play Sea of Thieves if PC gamers over console advantage is not mitigated at least in some ways we will just lose console gamers that like competitive PVP games. There are plenty of other options.

  • @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @ttargetpractice said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @perfecshionist said in Jump spamming during combat:

    @seriouslyslyguy jumping Should interrupt eating the banana. Making it impossible to use this tactic on console and PC.

    It is a cheese tactic anyway. Made worse that it just ads to the advantage PC players have to console players.

    You use the word should. Why? Give reasons. I can put a banana in my mouth right now and jump. Why should it be cancelled?

    You can’t eat a banana while jumping in circles uninterrupted. You will begin to just half a*s one or the other.

    Assumptions. Do you have any indisputable facts?
    Dude jumping anywhere near the height in game requires using the whole body, arms included. You can’t maintain that while shoving a banana in your face.

    And the idea that we should be able to do it in game because we can kind of sort of barely do something similar in real life is flat stupid.
    If you think the banana and jumping mechanic should be “realistic” then eating a banana should not heal bullet wounds.

    Besides jumping in FPS has always been a cheese mechanic in every FPS. I served more than 20 years in the military and tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Running around jumping up and down does not make someone more effective in combat.

    Besides, the cheese mechanic creates an additional and avoidable advantage between PC and console. That is enough reason alone to fix it. Console gamers are unlikely to switch to PC to play Sea of Thieves if PC gamers over console advantage is not mitigated at least in some ways we will just lose console gamers that like competitive PVP games. There are plenty of other options.

    I didn't say that we should be able to do it in the game because it can be done in life. I worded it like that because the OP says "I tried it and it was difficult to accomplish" as if jumping and eating a banana can't be done.

    As far as your military service, it's irrelevant. If you were able to maintain accuracy, not fatigue yourself, and move faster because of it, you can bet that people would be trained to jump around in combat. The fact is that jumping in this scenario does give you an advantage, as it does in almost every game, and there's really not a reason to refrain from it.

    Finally, in regards to pc advantages. You're flat out wrong. I play on console and changing this would also remove any advantages that I have over people who are too dumb or disinclined to use the game mechanics in whatever way is effective. Do you really think that you can't jump and look and eat a banana on console? Even without special controllers, you can just use the claw. Furthermore, there are no console gamers who like competitive pvp games because those games don't exist on console. Putting competitive in front of the phrase "console game "is like putting competitive in front of the phrase "child on a tricycle". It doesn't matter how amazingly the child rides. You can't be competitive with that hardware.

  • @ttargetpractice wow look at you sounding like a pc elitist. Thanks for your two cents but as soon as you started comparing xbox gaming to a child, I wrote you off as opinionated and not objective. Clearly you are one of the jump mashers. Obviously you'd be trying to save the cheese factor of the jumping maneuver.

  • @ironuzuka double posting is posting the same post, exact words by the same person, twice. Not the topic itself.

  • @bobbythemod said in Jump spamming during combat:

    Sorry for spam, but I do think there should be some speed penalty if you spam jump, because it’s extreamly easy on pc and unfair for console. Most fps game have a speed penalty after a few jumps to prevent just spamming jump.

    This is the most obvious solution that comes to mind. Like in Call of Duty as an example, when you rapidly jump you get less height and movement with each jump until you cool it for a couple seconds.

    The problem is there are so many minor improvements this game needs that it's hard to find where things like this rest in terms of priority.

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