Very true. Finding new people is always a blast. I just mean if you want to minimize your chances of getting trolled, etc.
Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game
@king-ron Had no problems on my own, have to navigate and control for sure but wasn't that bad, sure you're going to get hunted down because it's simpler but a good way to learn imo.
Will find smaller ships are faster into the wind with sails fully set than big ships.@king-ron just a tip: If you look in your hotbar you will find a spyglass and this device allows you to scope out islands and the Sea for any other ships! And if they sent your ship sailing away why'd you quit exactly? Sounds like you got clean away. :/
First of all you have to stop worrying about getting killed or ship getting destroyed because it doesn't cost you anything if you have no treasure. It's actually hurting THEM to destroy your ship because it uses up their cannonballs and costs you nothing. If you shoot back, you can use up their planks which essentially decreases their max HP for their next battle. If you keep respawning and just ramming them or landing a couple hits on their ship you are weakening them and they aren't hurting you at all because you get resupplied on respawn. You are essentially griefing them by respawning and making them waste time and supplies to kill you over and over.
@king-ron This is just from my personal experience, but I have had almost the opposite as yours. Which makes me wonder if its just poor server spawning or general bad luck. I almost always play this game solo, I find it more enjoyable almost all the time. The last few hours of play time I spent it taking out another Galleon. So far I have taken down 9 Galleons solo in my Sloop. Sure, in between those I did lose a few fights. But I have found that if I can get the jump on them, I can almost always win.
And when someone is camping my boat, I almost always just scuttle my ship or hang out on the Ship of the Damned for a few minutes before running back. There is no reason to rush back if the odds are against you, might as well just wait it out. I've also been chased by a Galleon once, the crew of 4 followed me into port. I jumped off with my 1 and only chest as they blew my ship to oblivion. I cashed it in as they rushed up on shore to kill me. Then I spawned back at another island and took my new ship out to continue my adventure. No harm no foul.
Later in the same session I actually found that same crew picking on another Sloop, and ended up blasting their hull from behind until they sank. It was a glorious victory.
I think the game is very solo friendly, you just have to adjust to how the game works. Don't always rush out the doors as soon as they open while you are on the Ship of the Damned. And scuttle your ship often, so that they can't camp your ship. Its really pretty easy to avoid being camped in this game. And since your ship or gear holds no real value or possession, you can sink your ship as many times as you want.
EDIT: Also as a side note. I solo more often than not because my friends are busy playing another game, and randoms in this game are the worst I've ever seen. Not sure if its the console players, or just the type of audience, but all of my match made crew members have been awful. Plus, I like to boycott Rare's forced match making bs system, so I stick with solo. And it works out just fine for me.
Totaly agree with you. There should have some map for the solo players otherwise they have no chance to play the game and have fun.
I just start the game my first time and when I've leaved the tavern my boat was already sunk before I board it. ???????
4 players boats make their fun to sink the lone pirate. Impossible to make a quest.
I'd also like a solo tutorial to learn how to sail and manage the boat before to have to affront other opponents.
Developers listen to us please...."I just came back to port and found a ship there..."
- It sounds like you either caught it by surprise?
- You got curious and got close?`(If true, for whatever reason, that was on you)
- You weren't paying attention?
- They laughed at you. So what? SO WHAT!? Grow up, deal with it or mute the ingame voice!
-Either way, you have the advantage in a sloop when it comes to outsailing a galleon. If you know how. Its a matter of skill and knowledge.
And when they killed you again, you can scuttle the ship and respawn somewhere else. You lose whatever you had on your ship though.
Seriously, people need to be informed ingame about the "Scuttle ship" option.
Not the perfect solution to being "griefed/spawnkilled" but its what we got for now.Also if you cant handle being killed in this game HOWEVER it is done, this game IS NOT FOR YOU. Accept that. Its like complaining that 3 people shot at you at the same time in Counter-Strike.
I sailed alone ALOT and barly ever got caught, NEVER by a Galleon anyways.
Avoid them at all costs. Think that is pretty obvious to be honest.It is PART OF THE GAME. You want complete balance? You wanna be in a session with just 1 man sloops? If you cant handle what is highly potentially a huge part of the game, this is just not for you.
@papapokemon62 said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
There should have some map for the solo players otherwise they have no chance to play the game and have fun.
This is not accurate. "No chance" means it is not possible and I have enjoyed playing for hours solo. Many others have as well. You could make an argument that it is difficult to play solo, which is why the game menu recommends solo play for experienced players, but I actually find it more difficult to get much of anything accomplished on the larger ships because of competing interests and attention from the rest of the crew.
@papapokemon62 They aren't concerned with 'experience' or 'ideas' in game just yet, I thought doing it that way taught me exactly what you're after.
I mean, do you think people in the 80's playing battle toad on NES asked for the race part to be easier ? No, they struggled through it and the ones who made it were respected by all.
No one is forcing you to go at sea alone. Use the matchmaking, at least you'll have your crew (making it at least 3 people on the server that can't kill you and might be of help).
You don't like the solo experience ? Don't play it. They do warn you that it's gonna be the hardest difficulty.I mean I don't really understand on the one hand people say it's impossible to solo, and on the other hand people say it takes skill and wits to manage to survive and succeed as a solo player in this game.
Thrive for what you want, struggle to achieve greatness, do not look down on others as they might become great allies.Back to my NES story: This is not trophy day people, wake up.
@x-snowklown-x said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
@touchdown1504 the whole point of the game is for pvp and to steal others treasure and loot, rare would have to make a pve and pvp option for players that don’t want to be attacked but the whole point of excitement is to worry about being sunk the better the crew and better the pirate the less likely to be sunk.
Did I say something to the contrary?
The "point" of the game is not PvP. I will assume by point you mean "goal", or "victory conditions". PvP and thieving is a means to an end. That end being Legendary status, or more so, being what YOU want it to be. "be the Pirate you want to be". PvP is a feature, not the premise. Now lets keep in mind, engaging in PvP does not increase your status, or your reputation, or your gold, or give you rewards, etc. It is simply a bridge you may have to cross to gain some loot, or defend your own (that is the intent of PvP in this game, and the "point" of it). That loot will increase all of the aforementioned accolades. If I had to guess, and this is just a guess mind you, Rare made SoT to be open world PvP with faith and belief that people will stay true to the intentions and the theme of the game. In some cases, certainly not all, "people" are proving they simply cannot have nice things!
@ironuzuka said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
I mean I don't really understand on the one hand people say it's impossible to solo, and on the other hand people say it takes skill and wits to manage to survive and succeed as a solo player in this game.
Exactly, well made point which others could do with hearing.
If one section is saying it's difficult and another is saying it's fine, that means the BALANCE (which Rare has been striving for) IS working as intended.@raphael-bahauss said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
Well , like I said in another post , this community is already more toxic than WOW and its just a Beta!
So , you and I r gonna spend our hard money elsewhere and let trolls take over this bathtub ganking game! lolThis is literally insanity. There was no reason to level up and do voyages in the beta because your progress will be reset. People were just out having fun killing each other. I do agree this community is very split on alot of issues but to label is toxic because of how they are playing in the beta???
Ridiculous.
@uber-knight72 I totally agree. We're actually on the same page. I was merely playing devil's advocate. Just giving a reason why this is such a hot topic. Rare has gotten everyone excited at being a pirate, but what they didn't understand was that there are those that will have a different view on what that means. I don't think they should have said "be the kind of pirate you want to be" if they don't want give them the means to ignore PVP players. Would I be one of those players? Probably not. It took me a bit to get into it at first but I get it now.
Btw, although I'm a Pioneer I haven't been one for very long. But I don't think that should negate or validate my opinion of the OP. Different people have different views. If Rare wanted only "yes men" they wouldn't have opened the program to the public. What they do with that feedback is up to them.
@papapokemon62 said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
Totaly agree with you. There should have some map for the solo players otherwise they have no chance to play the game and have fun.
I just start the game my first time and when I've leaved the tavern my boat was already sunk before I board it. ???????
4 players boats make their fun to sink the lone pirate. Impossible to make a quest.
I'd also like a solo tutorial to learn how to sail and manage the boat before to have to affront other opponents.
Developers listen to us please....As a,solo player i can say without doubt you are just wrong.
We dont need to be treated like snowflakes and babies. I have never been on ANYTHING but a sloop and have never been sunk or caught one time. My only death came from the stupid flying pirate cannon spam when 2 of them landrd on my deck...i still with one respawn killed them and thier galleon sank in the rocks i lead them into.
Please stop making excuses on why i need to be coddled just because some people cant learn to play.
I will give you this. One time when i spawned in game i ran right to my ship and it was sinking and had holes in it....it has to be a bug of some sort because there was no way anyone got to my ship did it and sailed awsy in the 20 seconds it took me to get to the boat.I see a lot of anger and I get, that it can be frustrating when you get killed after just playing for a few minutes.
Personally I had my first treasure chest taken away from me just meters from the goal line, which i worked hard for diving down to a ship wreck, nearly dying from the lack of air (and skill).
However once that first moment of anger (which is completely legit) was over and after the very same person that killed me and took my treasure away, also sank my boat and killed me 3 more times, I became much more careful about where to go on shore and unload my "cargo".
I kept checking my surroundings and tried to be as invisible as possible and with each gathered chest the paranoia grew bigger inside of me. And it was really awarding to bring home these treasures, managing to dodge whoever was on the same map, potentially trying to take everything away from me.I've read a lot of useful info in this thread, most of which I learned while playing by myself. To me, working for a treasure, plus getting it sold safely, has a nice thrill and a lot of fun to it.
I feel that a lot of players who got angered should invest the time to read some of the advice, get over being killed and sunk a couple of times and try to be better than the others next time. And if there's those people around, who try to keep killing you for their fun and for no other apparent reason, the ship can be sunk through the menu and you may start over at a different point and in peace. Because with the mechanics in place, victory is only complete when the enemies ship is sunk and they can no longer respawn near your own crew/ship/treasure. This involves dying a few times, which can be frustrating, but c'mon, its a pirate game... it can't be all about happy sunny treasure and everyone loving each other, at least if you want to have fun playing it for more than a few weeks.Just my 50 cents though, I think it is still way too early to bring the discussion to such a heat. The community has not even completely formed yet imo and nobody can tell for sure how the game will be played by everyone a few weeks/months after launch.
In the end Rare wont be able to make it right for every single player, but their efforts doing so should earn some credit and consideration. Kinda tired to see people playing 30 minutes and then rage quitting. Like trying to ride a bike, falling over twice and then saying "bikes suck, never gonna ride again!".
Cheers =)
Me and the guy I sail with have dubbed ourselves the 'Friendly Pirates' and over the course of the Beta and this Stress, we've actively tried to engage with every pirate we've come across, be it a wave from one ship to another, the flashing of a lantern on the deck, or even approaching people playing music......... and we've been shot at every time.
I still hold hope that eventually someone will chat back or join us in a tune, but I'm not holding my breath.
'Sea of Grief' is a better name for this game right now because there's no theft....... just endless murder. Without a shred of recourse to PvP (ie. player flagging), it seems to be shoot first in every engagement.
I don't blame Rare...... I blame the MMO PvP community who've been inundated with nothing but ESport PvP for so long, they don't know what an MMO community can truly be.
@kruqnut said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
@shaggiedo i'm 34 years old, been gaming since atari, I've seen plenty of games ruined by the complaints of a loud whiny minority. Trying to avoid it here.
Ruined for who?
The vocal minority I see here are people who would be better off sticking with CoD.
This isn't a hardcore PvP game. It doesn't have friendly fire, it doesn't have player looting, and it doesn't have a death penalty.
Those chasing down empty sloops will soon find scuttled ships and groups resetting into different servers to avoid a useless PvP chase when all they want to do it complete quests.
The PvE population (or those who don't shoot and chase everything they see) will endure as they're not stuck to one server and the PvP population looking to kill everything they find, won't get the engagement they want and will move back to their pew pew shooters.
Solo is for experience players only... it wasn t suppose to be in the game but comunity ask for it so bad than they put it !... still
I us solo only to discover things on map... or explore and take my time... if you go for treasure hunting solo it's super stress full... your chance to cross a 4P gallion players hunter or a 2P Sloops players hunter is there...- my way to play solo is before hunting chest... i go find an other sloop solo sloop and try to be friend... if it don t work i try an other...
- The question is why you play solo? is it because you like the solo gameplay? or is it because you hate plays with others?...
if its because of the other answer... then its too bad because the all game first idee was to make pirate meet each other ... fight or become friend... even both is possible in the 2 ways...
i recommand to better make a post and try to find persons who like the same things you like, and make a great crew... matchmaking is my last options when i want sails a galleon...
There is also the group request in xbox ap... it work well...! :)@happyalbe said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
@inbred-chimera said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
This is exactly how the game is supposed to be.
No it was not. I really don't know where you read that, but the original idea was far different.
what? look trailer e3 2015-2016... and people complain about it should have small boat solo... developpers listen and here it goes...
1 vs 4... that what solo players ask ... here it goes!!! find a crew on the forum and play the game as it suppose to be played... solo = very hard mode. your choice... but you complaining hard mode .... to be HARD!!!... SURPRISE!!. ask for pvE Players to make a crew and sails together... if you guy are sooo much!!! then gather togeser dam it!!! you all complaining together on the forum but you can't play together?? do you guy's got social problem or what? ...
you agree on the same thing so become friend all and make crews of pvEer... Come on guy's... anybody who can complain in a forum can sails with others!!!
SoT Isn't a solo campain games... like the witcher... i understand! multiplayers is suck when you don't like it and why a so great game have to be multi. i wish it was solo with IA... But its not this game!!
try to enjoy it as it is... follow tips and recomandations of developpers solo= hard mode... if you don't listen. you guy's put yourself as an easy target!...So, the story is, you were in a town, and your ship was docked. Pirates came and raided your undefended ship and killed you. You then spawned on your ship, and they were raiding your ship for supplies and they killed you again. Instead of abusing you, they set your ship out to sail, so when you spawned again you were out at sea and could continue playing the game.
At this point, you were so angry you quit the game.
Sorry I'm not saying Sea of Thieves isn't for you.
It's much worse, I would have to say any online game that has any player to player interaction at all (even cooperative) isn't for you.If you can't handle being killed two times, by pirates, in a pirate game, and then them sending your ship out to sea, then you are so easily frustrated by a game that I'm surprised you are a gamer at all.
@stem589 said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
Those chasing down empty sloops will soon find scuttled ships and groups resetting into different servers to avoid a useless PvP chase when all they want to do it complete quests.
I must have missed something. How do you know the sloop is empty before boarding it?
@ghostpaw said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
@stem589 said in Another bad solo experience, no point having it in the game:
Those chasing down empty sloops will soon find scuttled ships and groups resetting into different servers to avoid a useless PvP chase when all they want to do it complete quests.
I must have missed something. How do you know the sloop is empty before boarding it?
As in 'no treasure' empty.
A group out running missions with a ship in chase will have a hard time completing those missions. The second they get to their destination, they'll have to fight that ship off.
If they win, they'll have a few moments to explore and dig up the chest before the same ship has spawned again. They have nothing to lose and now you do.
I'm not saying everyone will do this, but knowing how people play games, they're after the highest reward in the least amount of time. It's way faster to just sign out and join another server than deal with another crew who's only after PvP.
I've made it a priority to play this game Solo just to see the issues that I've been reading more and more frequently. I normally play on a crew of 4 people quite regularly so when I played solo it was definitely a different experience but one I felt comfortable about as well.
Right off the start the warning informed me that if I choose to play as a lone pirate I should be prepared for harder gameplay (obviously) but I readily accepted this challenge.
Spawning into the game I located my sloop but in this process I saw another ship approaching from the distance, not knowing how they played the game I assumed hostility so I gathered what resources I could find close to my ship and grabbed a couple Maps from the Gold Hoarder and set sail.
One of the main things regarding sloops is the obvious lack of firepower. with only 1 cannon on both Port and Starboard sides I knew that I would be outmatched by a Galleon or even a 2 man sloop so instead of focusing on gathering Cannonballs like I normally would on a Galleon, I focused on gathering planks as I felt these would be more valuable in the long run. So right off the start gathering supplies was simpler than when playing as a 4 man crew.
Secondly I found that while my sloop lacked the speed of a Galleon I noticed the maneuverability differences. This is what I wanted to exploit when it came to PvP...I may not be able to sink a Galleon easily...I could certainly avoid them. I should add that whenever I saw a Galleon I tried to avoid them at all costs....this didn't lessen my gameplay in any means, I just had to rethink my strategy when it came to docking by islands or outposts. If a Galleon was at the same location as me I would simply slow my ship and observe from a distance until I felt I could entertain the risks and complete my voyages.
Another obvious note when playing Solo is the fact that you can manage your sloop much more effectively due to it's smaller size so when it did come to PvP I was able to do everything at a fraction of the time of a Galleon....the only downfall I felt was against other Sloops with 2 man crews who were able to match my speed and maneuverability but with the added bonus of having a man on the cannons, so when it came to these scenarios I simply had to do my best to outsail them and in all my solo plays I was never caught and I even have a stream recording where I've outsailed another sloop for over an hour.
Ultimately I enjoy the solo aspect of the game almost as much as when I play as a crew....Could there be some improvements to make it more enjoyable? Yes....I agree that the spawning system needs to be addressed to prevent ship camping, I also feel you should have the option to position your cannons on a Sloop so that you could use them on the Bow or Stern which could be more effective as a defensive measure.
If you're truly not enjoying solo gameplay I encourage you to reach out to other players and try and assemble some crews of people to play with...Don't let one aspect of the game sour your experience from playing in the future as I believe this game has major potential to be enjoyed for a long time.
Cheers!
Solo was added specifically by forum request. People wanted the option of NOT having to play cooperatively with other people. Rare put it in as an option, but indicated that it would be rough to do, and that it was entirely your choice.
Now people are complaining that it can be exactly as difficult as Rare warns them it is. I just don’t get it.
@sir-fortesque Taking out a galleon isnt that hard. Just park behind it and unload on it. Make sure you watch the ladders and right before they get up combo them so they get knocked back into the water. You can raise your anchor faster than they can turn so you should be set.
@shaggiedo
Don't downplay what he has to say. He has things to say too, he's important just as everyone is.@waitedduchess77 The problem is that you are horrible when it comes to scouting. I see people complaining about getting ganged up by a larger group, every time they suck at scouting. Learn to pilot the boat with the wind, if you just arrive somewhere without scouting you are just asking to get attacked.
There shouldn't be single player servers, people need to learn how to adapt to their surrounding and expect everyone to be nice. You are supposed to be aggressive, you take loot from other people in order to profit.@kawaii-dumpling The best thing to do is be in 2 man groups. 1 can maintain the ship with the other can explore/board/or fire the cannons.
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