Rare should force lock PC settings to xb standards which would greatly close the gap.
And it would be funny watching the nah Sayers complaining about it.
Yes I did see far to many xb players ask for opt out. There was enough people that made arena opt out. If u didn't see that ur blind
@ultmateragnarok said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
I've heard many say they'll be happy for opt-out because it will provide them with an easy server to PvP in, due to the fact that so many of the players in it will think that they're immortal in PvP and hold more treasure on board. It's not the platform, or the input, or the version that wins the fight, it's the players.
It’s true that skill will win the fight but PC players have a advantage over Xbox players. Computers work faster than Xbox and can give players an advantage in battle. There are some Xbox players who can beat PC players but that just means they are very skilled players.
The transition between Xbox and PC isn’t perfect. I begin to lag whenever a PC ship comes close to me. Essentially, it’s a flag to alert me a player is near.
It’s true that some people blame PC people for cheating because they lack skill but there have been hackers that cheat the game and get an unfair advantage. All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone.
I’m happy for the option for cross play opt out so my game doesn’t lag as much anymore
One person ruining it for everyone works both ways - there are hackers and cheaters on XBox, too. Lagging when player ships approach is just how the game tends to work, as the ships are by far the most taxing objects in the game, with hundreds of interactable and moving parts which must stay smoothly attached to a huge physics object, personally I've noticed no difference between players on different platforms approaching. As for 'faster hardware', there are a few aspects: lag is the connection to the server, not the platform; input is roughly the same for both, with some non platform-specific deviance, since it's pretty much the same systems transmitting it and the same servers interpreting it (this is why things such as cancelling are not platform-specific either); load times can be greatly improved on either side with an SSD; players have varying response times themselves, which in turn varies how fast their input seems to respond.
January, or if there are unforseen complications it will be February
Watch the latest Dev update video for latest news.
https://youtu.be/NhujgTsNDtU
@ultmateragnarok said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
@wickeddeath
You were told from the beginning that the game was crossplay. It was one of the main selling points of the game, actually - an open world where everyone plays. If you didn't see that, that's on you, not Rare. As for most XBox players, do you see every one of, or even most of, the millions of XBox players that play the game getting excited over the announce of opt-out? Did you see them constantly asking for it? I don't, and if you do, then please point out where. I did see many on the seas, though, enjoying their experiences in the game, whether it was in PvP, PvE, or a combination of both.
Here are some links to the selling pages of the game at local retails. You show me where in the descriptions of the game it says "There is cross play in this game" because none of them say ANYTHING about cross play let alone NON OPTIONAL CROSSPLAY
here is the best buy listing: SOT 2 Best Buy
Here is the target listing: SOT @ target
Here is the Walmart listing: SOT @ Walmart
Listing at Gamestop: SOT @ gamestop
VERY IMPORTANT
Listing at xbox.com/Microsoft store: SOT @ Microsoft store
The Sea of Thieves web page: Says NOTHING on the official page about cross play but sends you to the link above to buy it.
Take your time, look over these pages and tell me where EXACTLY it says there is crossplay in this game. Otherwise, stop typing. What your typing is a flat out lie.
Now unless your BLIND, the cross play opt out talk is all over this forum, it's all over every post SOT makes to twitter, facebook, LFG the list goes on and on...….reddit......it never ends so don't even sit here and try to say you haven't seen that much about people wanting the opt out.
Just because you tell the same lie over and over again, doesn't make it the truth ever.
Taken from the official Microsoft store.
Now unless you're BLIND...
RARE advertised this game as a crossplay title. Look at pre-release youtube videos. Interviews. Anything. Only because YOU did not catch up doesn't mean that it didn't happen. You were told that SoT is a crossplay game. You just didn't listen apparently.
@l4chsfps said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
Taken from the official Microsoft store.
Now unless you're BLIND...
RARE advertised this game as a crossplay title. Look at pre-release youtube videos. Interviews. Anything. Only because YOU did not catch up doesn't mean that it didn't happen. You were told that SoT is a crossplay game. You just didn't listen apparently.
That's a totally different page than the ones I have linked here so you must have really had to go out of your way to dig it up. looking at the simple google searched pages I have posted HERE, no of them say anything about cross play. NONE OF THEM.
Looking at my xbox one dashboard store, it also says nothing about cross play.
Matter of fact, using the image you posted, it says cross play but doesn't state it's with PC Players. For all anyone knows, it could have meant PS4 or Switch.
The average consumer, AVERAGE, would never see or read that and there clearly isn't a warning as to what toxic BS your being forced into.
@rusty-xbone
Thanks
the one thing I also forgot to mention is that when a console players reads "Platform" we don't even consider a PC or it's user base. We think console.
@l4chsfps said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
RARE advertised this game as a crossplay title. Look at pre-release youtube videos. Interviews. Anything. Only because YOU did not catch up doesn't mean that it didn't happen. You were told that SoT is a crossplay game. You just didn't listen apparently.
Did they? cause their own website doesn't say a damn thing about cross play. I linked to the page. I read the page. NOTHING
You also assume that everyone runs to YouTube for their gaming news. I do but the AVERAGE gamer doesn't. Doesn't mean I watched any PRE launch videos on this game nor did I hear that there was going to be PC crossplay cause had I heard that, I probably wouldn't have bought this game. I learned that lesson playing shadow run on the 360.
see the whole thing is/was about deceiving the console user base, how many xbox players would have NOT bought this game had they had FULL DISCLOSURE that they would be griefed every time they played this game by PC players?
Slice it any way you want, you'll be playing with your 20% user base once the opt out launches.
@wickeddeath What are you suggesting? A red alert sign popping up when looking up and buying the game saying that there might be encounters with evil PC players who will grief poor xbox players everytime?
Just accept that you didn't know what you bought, that's fine. But stop assuming that 70% of the game's players didn't know either. That's just laughable.
@wickeddeath said in [Cross play opt out... yet again]
His image is from the following link.
It was the second google link when searching for Sea of Thieves.
Not saying its anywhere else, but wasn't hidden on the MS Store.
Matter of fact, using the image you posted, it says cross play but doesn't state it's with PC Players. For all anyone knows, it could have meant PS4 or Switch.
Xbox live is a feature only availible on Windows 10 PCs and Xbox Consoles. That was it says Xbox Live Cross Play and not just Cross Play or Multiplayer. XLCP is a feature that you can actually search specifically for on the Windows Live Store and Microsoft Store.
The average consumer, AVERAGE, would never see or read that and there clearly isn't a warning as to what toxic BS your being forced into.
Who knows? In this day and age I find hard to believe that people buy games blindly. When polled most consumers watch youtube now playing videos and twitch streams before buying. I think they are off as I think most games are discovered by the methods and get bought after stumbling upon them.
Man, I cant wait for opt out.
For 2 years we've watched Rare promote those who stream which usually consist of teams of pc players bullying console players with their increased frame rates, draw distances, ridiculous spawn times, kbm advantage, and various macros while telling others to "just get good".
They lost many people to this single issue that they were silent on for the longest time. And now we have to opt out rather than opt on?
I'm going to keep a LFG group posted when I play. My LFG post will just contain instructions on how to opt out.
Seriously considered switching to playstation out of fear microsoft would continue to force crossplay on first party titles. I'm still supicious.
I’m aware that it works both way. Console players could easily ruin the game for others.
I have played with people who are able to see patterns in this game and some who are programmers themselves. They have confirmed that PC players have a slight advantage over Xbox players. Not many people notice a difference but some do.
My friend told me information about the game that I didn’t notice. I personally tested everything he told me and found it to be true. He definitely helped improve my game.
@lm-robin-hood How exactly are increased frame-rates going to make you play better? They just make the game look nicer and smoother as long as you have ~30, which is playable. I have tried playing the game at 30 fps locked compared to my usual 35-55-sometimes 60. I played just as well, did it look as nice? no. But this isn't some really fast paced fps game where milliseconds will matter. Draw distances may be a legit problem but from what I have heard that used to be a problem but it is now the same for everyone. kbm advantage exclusive to PC, what? That isn't a PC thing, you can play on kbm on Xbox as well last time I checked, and you can also play on controller on PC last time I checked. Arent macros against the ToS to use and thus if people are actually using them wont they be caught? "Force" crossplay. What, its not their fault if you are unable to read and thus buy a crossplay game and expect there to be no crossplay. I am used to actually researching games before buying them though so if that is somehow something that is not normal to do my bad. I do agree with you on one thing, and that is that personally I dislike players such as summit's behavior, I don't watch him very much but I have seen a few of his videos and I just don't like his style. Honestly though I think that if you are thinking "oh I cant beat these guys because they are on pc" you are going to lose most of the time as you are setting yourself up for failure by your mindset. Oh and btw not every PC is really good and runs 60 fps consistently while playing this game, there is very poor optimization for this game and thus my computer which normally runs around 90 fps on games runs 35-60. The ping can also be 150ms, which normally isn't a problem for me, but It can actually be a problem in this game. I still manage to win most 1v4's but sometimes blunderbuss gets me because of ping.
@jofjjay same old response, to paraphrase you "get good".
Always attack the individual. (I'm not sunk very often and without gloating I'll leave it at that ).
Essentially it comes down to do you want to play at a significant disadvantage against others or not?
And I will always choose or not.
Console players... stop arguing with PC players... it is being implemented in jan or Feb. Who cares how upset some players are over losing their advantages. Just wait and then enjoy the game. I quit arguing with them a long time ago. Their free ride is coming to an end and some are really upset about it.
@wickeddeath Dude, the first ever E3 trailer for this game said it was crossplay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z48qvGsA_0&t=65s
2:27 XBOX ONE AND WINDOWS 10
And if the Microsoft store says there's crossplay, and the game has been announced to come out on Xbox AND PC, it's not a big stretch to think it means Xbox and PC crossplay is it?
Live your pirate life in Sea of Thieves. Enter a shared-world action adventure game where crews of real players set sail to live like pirates.
https://www.seaofthieves.com/
And scroll down and what does it say? Available on Xbox One and PC.
So if the Microsoft store says there's crossplay, and the trailers, website and pre-order page ALL say its on Xbox and PC. Why did you think there wouldn't be crossplay. "You also assume that everyone runs to YouTube for their gaming news. I do but the AVERAGE gamer doesn't. Doesn't mean I watched any PRE launch videos on this game nor did I hear that there was going to be PC crossplay" This is on you for not paying attention. You didn't follow the development of the game, bought the game and got mad when you found out that's there's something in the game you didn't like. Jeez
@l4chsfps there is a diffenwce between supporting cross play and forcing it and even with a opt out the game will still support cross play
@sandaledpond889 Thing is, that person was complaining that Xbox and PC crossplay was not advertised when it clearly was, so what was advertised is kinda the whole point.
PC players, or more accurately M&K users, have an advantage in gunplay, yes. This is well known, it's not new. The lesser known advantage is that controllers are better suited for controlling the ship. That isn't to say that gunplay with a controller or sailing with a M&K is impossibly, merely that there are two advantages in similar but different sections of PvP that balance out. The cutlass doesn't favor either input, so there's that, too. There are a lot of small things about every aspect of the game, from the (previous) intricacies of the cutlass to the charge in the rocks on volcanoes, and not a lot of people know some of them, and very few people, if any, know all of them.
Between an advantage in gunplay and an advantage in ship-to-ship combat, it's likely never going to be perfectly balanced, but considering the blunderbuss, it would likely be an advantage to controller users if the majority of them actually knew where they had the upper hand. Currently, people often have the mentality of being invincible and capable of killing the entire enemy crew, or they give up before the fight starts because their enemies must be some huge group that's entirely invincible.
You can bunnyhop and drop the anchor without stopping just as well on XBox, you know. It sounds like you are not looking at groups with the same skill level between them. I play on XBox with a controller and face off against the 'macro-using double-gunning bunnyhoppers' and win, so there's balance somewhere. They win against some crews, and lose against others. Or am I encountering some lesser form of these invincible players?
@sandaledpond889 said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
@ultmateragnarok said in Cross play opt out... yet again:
Between an advantage in gunplay and an advantage in ship-to-ship combat, it's likely never going to be perfectly balanced, but considering the blunderbuss, it would likely be an advantage to controller users if the majority of them actually knew where they had the upper hand. Currently, people often have the mentality of being invincible and capable of killing the entire enemy crew, or they give up before the fight starts because their enemies must be some huge group that's entirely invincible.
You generalize a lot. people often have the mentality? lol. sure jan.
It doesn't take a full ship of even 1/2 decent pc players to have advantage, one bunnyhopper whos not taking hits but can insta-drop the anchor without stopping at it all, macro barrel and double gun can turn a whole fight.nothing is balanced between xbox and pc, dont kid yourself.
LOL, now who's generalizing?
Any PC advantages in this game are minimal at best, and almost all are related to gunplay. If the hitboxes weren't so big and somewhat unpredictable at times, you might have a point - but this is no twitch shooter so that advantage is very minimal in the big picture.
There's an option in the settings to change that, actually. If you don't know that, well, you do now. As for margins of error, they vary greatly depending on situation. Ship-to-ship combat moves a lot slower than hand-to-hand, which is a small amount slower than gunplay, but the reload rates, bullet speed, and hit registration are the same regardless of platform or input device.
@sandaledpond889 What is your source for it being less common to find macros/cheats on Xbox? I don't think its fair that Xbox players are capped at 30 fps if they can go higher but oh well, lets hope they fix it. I don't think you are playing the same game I play if macros and cheating are rampant, I really only encounter exploits every once in a while but haven't ever encountered hackers. "PC can swing sword faster with clicks than xbox with trigger pulls". Ok well sword has a minimum speed anyways so as long as they are giving input just as often they will hit just as much.
Input is not a PC thing, last time I checked if I really felt like using a controller I could use one and if an Xbox player wanted to use a mouse and keyboard they could use one. PC does not always have load time advantages as that is a matter of hardware. Are you telling me that a computer from 2005 that is a PC will run better than an xbox simply because it is a PC? You understand that a "Xbox Live Gold Subscription" (or whatever it is called) would not work on PC since hey, why should I pay monthly to play 1 game on xbox live when I could just play one of the many other games out there, which don't require a monthly subscription.
Honestly from what it sounds like you just hate PC players because they are PC players, not because you have actual points. Do you legitimately believe that most PC players you encounter are cheating? Or that because they are on PC that you will lose? because guess what, I found your problem. You believe you will lose, so you lose.
One last question, this may sound ridiculous, but that is the point. May we have a monitor-less desktop lobby? Its just no fair that those without a monitor cannot see what is going on, and hey, they bought the game so Rare should cater to them and make it so that they can play the game without getting annihilated by those Xbox and PC players. I mean its just not fair that they have to buy extra things in order to play the game...
@sandaledpond889 Done, forgot to put in some spaces in between paragraphs, it is a pain that you cannot indent on here easily... Where are the assumptions though, other than saying you just hate PC players, which is a pretty educated assumption based on what you have said. Oh and for sources for it being less common to find macros/cheats on xbox and a source for the claim that PC players can like hit faster and somehow avoid the delays in put by the game, they need to be a source, not your tests.
