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Um, the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean 2 did show its body. Will Turner gets thrown overboard and sees the whole kraken underwater. Also you see its body on POTC 3. Not a very good argument in defense of this implementation.
Yes, you are correct. There is a momentary glimpse of the body. It's on screen for maybe 2.5 seconds. The point I made was that the MAIN POINT of the whole scene before that brief glimpse was about the tentacle fight. So, they gave us the tentacle fight.
Maybe Rare devs should leave the Kraken encounter as is, but add a 2.5 second glimpse of a body at the end. Would that be OK?
Also, mentioning PotC 3 is irrelevant, the Kraken encounter was obviously inspired by the one from PotC 2. Whole Kraken bodies might appear in other films, but what does that have to do with a game encounter inspired by one, specific scene from one specific film?
@noodlekranker said in No kraken Body, it's a joke?:
Who has actually seen a Kraken?
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Oh please. That's a dumb argument. If a real kraken were just 15 disembodied tentacles, we wouldn't call it a kraken, but tentacle monsters or something. Krakens aren't real, but we all know what a kraken is and should be.
And to answer your baiting question, yes! I bet almost everyone here has seen a Kraken. We've seen them in movies, books, art, and even Rare's own artwork on the kraken which unsurprisingly, shows a FULL BODIED Massive squidlike monster with many tentacles.
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@gholin said in [No kraken Body, it's a joke?]
The problem is the ink is there in the first place. They should have found a way to make the kraken a real full entity. This seems lazy. Though in this particular instance, the kraken is hitting ships in a wide area, so maybe it's the only way to do it. However, they need to follow up with another phase, where you can take the actual beast out. Only then will most of us accept it.
Why? Honestly, are you going to dive off the ship and stab the body? That goes against the core gameplay loop of playing on the ship. The fantasy is to be on a boat that is attacked by the kraken, and fight it off. In what part of that fantasy is falling overboard a good thing? The ink is there to not waste time modeling, texturing, and animating something that has no gameplay purpose.
What gameplay purpose would the kraken body have that the tentacles do not provide already?
@cows-n-muffins said in No kraken Body, it's a joke?:
@gholin said in [No kraken Body, it's a joke?]
The problem is the ink is there in the first place. They should have found a way to make the kraken a real full entity. This seems lazy. Though in this particular instance, the kraken is hitting ships in a wide area, so maybe it's the only way to do it. However, they need to follow up with another phase, where you can take the actual beast out. Only then will most of us accept it.
Why? Honestly, are you going to dive off the ship and stab the body? That goes against the core gameplay loop of playing on the ship. The fantasy is to be on a boat that is attacked by the kraken, and fight it off. In what part of that fantasy is falling overboard a good thing? The ink is there to not waste time modeling, texturing, and animating something that has no gameplay purpose.
What gameplay purpose would the kraken body have that the tentacles do not provide already?
A sea monster's body can surface you know. That allows us to get eaten by it, and shoot cannons at a bigger target. There's a lot a kraken's body could add to the fight. It could ram into a boat to sink it, for instance, or we could watch our shipmates get eaten helplessly, adding to the terror. There's a lot of reasons to have more than just tentacles, notwithstanding the fact that it is more immersive to be fighting an entity than just disembodied tentacles. I don't want to feel like I'm riding a disney ride and everything is just an animatronic, like this seems. The magic of the kraken is broken right now. I want Rare to make it real again.
Why do people argue against something that could have been more fun? Why do people hate options and say other people are foolish for wanting something, just because they are fine with something being half-done? You might be fine with it, others can envision a better world, though.
@gholin I agree with you 100%, this encounter could be much better in many ways, including having a full bodied Kraken. No question about that. While we're at it, I have to say they probably should have had some sort of tangible reward for defeating the Kraken in at launch.
Having said that, I just wanted people to see the situation from another perspective, one where they (Rare) didn't commit a crime against humanity by not including the Kraken's body, but made a design choice and attempted to at least give the "feel" of the aforementioned scene from PotC 2. Maybe it's not what everyone wanted, or everyone's "cup of tea", but it isn't the civilization ending crime that some are making it out to be.
I think if we give Rare a chance, they will make this game better and better, potentially amazing.
However, if we make it sound like they are a bunch of Satanic-P**o-Bear-Hitlers that left out the Kraken's body as part of an evil plot to ruin our lives, maybe not so much.
It's 100% cool that we have different opinions and ideas, but we need to remember that we're all here for the same reason; to have fun and be Pirates.
@beanmariocow said in No kraken Body, it's a joke?:
@jeanini said in No kraken Body, it's a joke?:
@beanmariocow so if i want to see him in the water i have nothing and it's logical?
Well, the water is completly inked, so you can’t see a foot in front of you. And a kraken goes under the boat, and pulls you under with it’s tentacles, so you would never actually see a body.
Ya so, arguments of logic and what would happen 'IRL' go completely out the window as relevant to this game because, you can shoot a variety of ranged weapons under water which IRL would never happen with musket type weapons. You can hold your breath for impossibly long amount of time. Additionally the laws of physics would make sailing in this game significantly harder than it actually is in this game. Also a single 2x4 piece of wood can hold back the ocean, and a single mop bucket can bail out an entire galleon in a matter of seconds.
Game devs didn't put it in because they didn't think people would glitch out to reveal the wizard or lack thereof behind the curtain. There is no real excuse for it.
So here's the deal. No one has actually KILLED the Kraken yet, they've only made it run away. Here's how I know why: After you deal sufficient damage to a tenticle it disappears into the water and a chime plays. That tenticle doesn't resurface. Tenticles that resurface are merely un-"killed" tenticles repositioning. After some time the Kraken will run away. This counts as a victory.
This implies that the Kraken is a timed event. Kill all the tenticles before it runs away and the real fight begins, i.e. the fight is multi-staged. I myself haven't done this, but my crew and I got it down to 1 tenticle before it ran. It also seems that no one has been able to defeat all the tenticles in time, according to forum posts and YouTube videos.
Rare didn't hype the Kraken for it to be a lame fight. The devs said that there is loot to be had for actually killing it, and implying that the fight isn't easy. No one has actually killed it for good, everyone has made it run. I have fought the Kraken twice; the first time it ran within minutes, the second time (where we had one tenticle left) it ran before we could kill the last tenticle. The second fight was considerably longer than the first.
So before you guys get all upset and salty that the Kraken is "disappointing", you may want to consider that there are more mechanics to the game than it lets on. Sea of Thieves doesn't spoon feed you anything, you have to work for the prize and have patience. Anyone who has played an MMORPG with boss fights knows that there's more than meets the eye with certain mechanics. Right now I'm waiting to get another opportunity to fight the Kraken to test my hypothesis.
Are the developers going to address/have they addressed issue that the mythical Kraken has no body? I haven't seen a response to this in any of their discussions, but it's being talked about all over online. The only things I've heard them speak of are an over abundance of players and bug issues, not content. After years of development, how is it okay to have no roadmap for content?
Perhaps the head of Rare can break it down for us on that dry erase board? Apologies, I love this game but I feel like it just needs a little bit of a touch up to make it feel like a truly complete game.
The black spot and the fact you can´t see anything in the water is a poor excuse that Rare has implement the kraken this loveless into SoT.
Btw. an octopus (in this case a kraken) only use the ink to get away from an danger not to cover its true form.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaofthieves/comments/85mk0i/underwater_image_of_kraken/
In this case the kraken is the danger. There is no reason the kraken would use his ink only to cover himself because there is no way to shoot with cannons down the water. It should be this big that a sailor couldn´t reach any sensitive spot.
So yes i´m very dissapointed of the way the "kraken" was implemented and if you saw "Pirates of the caribbean 2" there was a scene where you could see the whole kraken without any ink because this was a real kraken and a real threat to a ship.
The way the kraken in SoT is attacking a ship is only for laugh and nearly everyone feels the kraken as a disturbing usless thing. We sailed many times further seeing the tentakles standing on the horison not doing anyting.
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