Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox

@cg-i-simple yeah and rather than make everyone happy you will have an advantage over those who prefer controller, if this werent the case would you still want to play with a m and kb? If so fair enough, but there is still a large population of mainly console gamers who prefer controller and will be rightfully upset about this.

When pc players are in the minority you guys cry for fairness but even if my opinion is the minority, funny how that need for fairness goes away when you dont agree with me. And im pretty sure im not the minority except when it comes to my opinion and posting about it in forums which most console gamers dont do.

@enticed-malice microsoft themselves call for server differentiation based on control input device in an earlier announcement for m and kb support..... so no “input device segregation” like its some evil thing will likely stay in any decent games list of options, and like someone else said the free market will take care of those companies obvlivious to this issue pretty quick.

Im done here this is clearly pointless for me, you can bring a horse to water right....

Lets all talk about this again in 5-10 years and if im wrong ill be the first to admit it.

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

And yet PC players, who are a small number in comparison to the total playerbase (~14%), is an issue that spawns constant whining threads - half of which are likely started by someone who got bested by another console player and calls hax/pc player immediately.

You are more likely to be killed by Rare's lag filled servers giving you old location data than by a constant threat from elite pro PC snipaz.

@a-cranky-eskimo I personally don’t thin MS realises what they are doing. They are pushing so hard to get into the pie of he PC community that they are not actually thinking of there consumers who already support them.

But in regards to your earlier conversation you are right. I could go out and buy a high end PC if I wanted to. But I don’t like playing games on PC, it’s why I bought a console lol

My poor computer hasn’t been turned on in months lol. It’s also why I never got DayZ and PUBG ect when they was on PC before console because I knew they would eventually port over and I would enjoy it more.

I just hope MS has plans in place to actually support there console players to stop them having there games ruined by M&K. It’s not going to be good for them if they don’t and go into this without thinking it through.

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

Ok let's assume we PC players compromise. We all go and play with controllers...
What compromise did you have to make?

Compromises work for both parties

Right so naturally, a compromise when adding a control scheme that has an advantage, would be to allow players who still prefer the input device with the disadvantage a place to play against others who prefer them also. Im on board with you on populations if it was a crossplay split, but make up your mind, are there plenty of pc players with controllers or not lol? Splitting by input device would likely make the m and kb servers at around 40% of the pop not 14 like pc users. But i would bet more than 50% of console players would prefer to keep their controller, but enough would play with m and kb that it would be fine to split servers that way imo, and maybe those were bad examples i could have given for pc game options, but if you dont think them optimizing the game for a much wider variety of hardware interfered with content dev time compared to them just making an xbox game idk what to say. I can almost gurantee this was one of their bigger roadblocks that they had to deal with right at the most crucial time in the year before launch, you could see that affect in how the alpha progressed. Or rather didnt.

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

Ok let's assume we PC players compromise. We all go and play with controllers...
What compromise did you have to make?

Compromises work for both parties

I'm not demanding PC compromises, that's the difference. Crossplay should absolutely be optional, and when m+kb is introduced on xbox games then input device matchmaking will probably need to be optional too.

Forcing xbox players to compromise one of the main attractions to playing on console so they can maintain a level playing field is not the solution, any more than restricting PC to the same limitations as an xbox is.

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

Ok let's assume we PC players compromise. We all go and play with controllers...
What compromise did you have to make?

Compromises work for both parties

I'm not demanding PC compromises, that's the difference. Crossplay should absolutely be optional, and when m+kb is introduced on xbox games then input device matchmaking will probably need to be optional too.

Forcing xbox players to compromise one of the main attractions to playing on console so they can maintain a level playing field is not the solution, any more than restricting PC to the same limitations as an xbox is.

Ootional/removing Crossplay will kill the PC version. Please see previous posts in this thread for the explanation

Please see the hundreds of times this argument has already been rehashed in previous topics for the explanation on why that is wrong.

Adding kb+m support to xbox doesn't fix the issue of crossplay imbalance, but it's a step in the right direction to allow players the option to have an even playing field. Though to be frank, the playing field was not as uneven as most made it out to be.

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

Ok let's assume we PC players compromise. We all go and play with controllers...
What compromise did you have to make?

Compromises work for both parties

I'm not demanding PC compromises, that's the difference. Crossplay should absolutely be optional, and when m+kb is introduced on xbox games then input device matchmaking will probably need to be optional too.

Forcing xbox players to compromise one of the main attractions to playing on console so they can maintain a level playing field is not the solution, any more than restricting PC to the same limitations as an xbox is.

Ootional/removing Crossplay will kill the PC version. Please see previous posts in this thread for the explanation

Please see the hundreds of times this argument has already been rehashed in previous topics for the explanation on why that is wrong.

If you had read my posts you would have seen that those arguments don't take into consideration region, timezones and Max concurrent users.

Take all that into account and unless you play during prime time North America your wait times will be 30 minutes or longer. There is a whole post where I debunk the arguments about having enough people with examples and statistics.

You misunderstand my meaning, because taking all that into consideration your stance is still wrong. Long story short, because allowing optional crossplay does not mean that PC players will certainly be totally separated. It means that a portion of the player base will leave it on, while a portion will choose to turn it off. If the portion that chooses to turn it off is minimal, then PC player pop has nothing to worry about because the majority will still match with them. However, if so much of the majority chooses to turn off crossplay for the sake of balance that it lowers the PC player pop to the brink of death, then there is obviously a glaring balance issue with crossplay and it doesn't belong in the first place.

You cannot downplay the advantages of crossplay as insignificant and simultaneously suggest that enough of the playerbase will turn it off if given the opportunity that it will kill the PC playerbase. For that reason, you are wrong.

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@soulless-rager said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

@squaz05 dude its pretty simple, you offer no solutions and turn down mine and say nonsense like you not keeping your advantage hurts pc players....

1. Everyone who want to compete having to use m and kb isnt a solution

2. I want to play with a controller

3. I want a fair playing ground

4. M and kb and controller will never be balanced.

You do the math, and a small number of pc players putting themselves at a disadvantage by using controller is completely and totally irrelevant to the issue.

If you can explain to me why separate servers causes any problem beyond the pc issue of you guys having games like archage or potco and therefore less players who play this game, then ill accept it. You guys already having better and more options is a poor excuse to make this game that should probably be only console and would likely be a better game with more content for it, cave to pc players when there is clearly a balance issue.

Its like most pc players on your side of the issue are tyrants who will do anything to keep their throne. “But sire if you send those men there they are at a disadvantage and will die”

And then you guys laugh about it and sit on your throne with the advantage that you have.

Lol funny i know but i had to make it that dramatic for you to understand it it seems

No sense in reasoning with them. It's an acceptable solution to them because they aren't the ones making the compromise. If they had to forfeit their preferred way to play so they could enjoy a level playing field they'd be protesting.

Ok let's assume we PC players compromise. We all go and play with controllers...
What compromise did you have to make?

Compromises work for both parties

I'm not demanding PC compromises, that's the difference. Crossplay should absolutely be optional, and when m+kb is introduced on xbox games then input device matchmaking will probably need to be optional too.

Forcing xbox players to compromise one of the main attractions to playing on console so they can maintain a level playing field is not the solution, any more than restricting PC to the same limitations as an xbox is.

Ootional/removing Crossplay will kill the PC version. Please see previous posts in this thread for the explanation

Please see the hundreds of times this argument has already been rehashed in previous topics for the explanation on why that is wrong.

If you had read my posts you would have seen that those arguments don't take into consideration region, timezones and Max concurrent users.

Take all that into account and unless you play during prime time North America your wait times will be 30 minutes or longer. There is a whole post where I debunk the arguments about having enough people with examples and statistics.

You misunderstand my meaning, because taking all that into consideration your stance is still wrong. Long story short, because allowing optional crossplay does not mean that PC players will certainly be totally separated. It means that a portion of the player base will leave it on, while a portion will choose to turn it off. If the portion that chooses to turn it off is minimal, then PC player pop has nothing to worry about because the majority will still match with them. However, if so much of the majority chooses to turn off crossplay for the sake of balance that it lowers the PC player pop to the brink of death, then there is obviously a glaring balance issue with crossplay and it doesn't belong in the first place.

You cannot downplay the advantages of crossplay as insignificant and simultaneously suggest that enough of the playerbase will turn it off if given the opportunity that it will kill the PC playerbase. For that reason, you are wrong.

I bet you will be the first one to turn crossplay off if it ever gets introduced...
a PORTION? more like a GOOD CHUNK of the playerbase will turn it off.

i am not suggesting that the advantages of crossplay are insignificant, to the contrary. there is such an advantage that if I was on the Xbox and was given the choice to either play with PC or not, I would be the second one (after you of course) to turn it off, never look back and forget all my PC friends and make new ones. By making crossplay optional you instead of trying to find a way to balance PC and Xbox, people will just say screw the PC just turn crossplay off, don't bother looking for a solution, just let the PC version die. however if we keep the forced crossplay, it forces the devs to think on ways to balance all content/features/mechanics so that no one platform has an advantage, effectively keeping both markets

now you say that there is such a glaring imbalance that crossplay doesn't belong in the first place... so you are ok with killing the PC version for the sake of the Xbox version... this is a troublesome way of thinking, especially for a business. Can you imagine losing 15-20% of your income just because you took the easy way out and removed the problem instead of solving it?

If Rare manages to solve the PC vs Xbox disbalance they not only get to keep 15-20% of their income, they become pioneers of crossplay and MS will go as the first platform to introduce true crossplay between PC and Consoles, They will BLOW Sony out of the water (pun) if they manage it.

disclaimer: I don't think rare is making enough efforts to try to balance both platforms, and that is the reason that the overall game won't last much longer than year 2. They could have if they stopped focusing on introducing bugs and events, and listened to the alpha and beta feedback. but thats another discussion for another day in another thread.

By saying "a good chunk" you seem to be admitting that a significant portion of the playerbase would opt out of crossplay. If it's that severe of an issue, then Rare will be doing themselves a much bigger favor by appeasing the majority of their playerbase that obviously wants a balanced gameplay experience rather than continue to force them to play an unbalanced experience to appease the minority of PC players until they come along with a magical solution that makes both platforms equal. (A dilemma that has been around for decades and still has no true solution)

Regardless, no I don't think Rare should sink the PC portion of their playerbase. Because I'm not naive enough to think it will sink. With it being optional and crossplay defaulting to 'on', the portion of players that elect to turn it off will be well below half, as it will mostly comprise of a small percentage of very competitive players who prioritize a balanced playing field even above playing with their friends on the other platform. The majority of players will be casual enough to not care and prefer better matchmaking and sessions with friends on either platform, etc. This will appease the more competitive players who want a truly balanced experience while still allowing the broader playerbase to continue along playing crossplatform, making everyone happy.

The argument that it will kill the PC playerbase is fear mongering naivety from those selfishly looking out for themselves and the benefits they're trying to protect.

Also, Rare and SoT are definitely not pioneers of including crossplay: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_that_support_cross-platform_play

@nofears-fun said in Official mouse & keyboard support coming to Xbox:

While I can understand why you might think that M/KB support would possibly even the playing field, it simply wouldn't. PC has other advantages as well, such as FPS. That being said, even when I play on PC, I prefer to play with a controller. When I game it is just my preference. And as I have said before, while I do notice a difference when facing off with a PC player, I never accept that as an excuse for losing, unless I feel there was some cheating involved. Which I have only felt that I have been the victim of that twice.

I am not against cross play for SoT, but mostly because it is not a competitive game in that stats are recorded. And even if they were, I have learned enough tactics using my controller and game style to win my fair share of those battles, so I am not sure my view on this would change. If there was a way to balance the two platforms I would be all for it. But I doubt we will see that anytime soon, at least not without nerfing both platforms, which I am not convinced I would be in favor of.

FPS means squat in a game like Sea of Thieves. It might have an impact in fast paced games that rely on split second reaction times, but SoT is not by any measure such a game. Large hit boxes, no headshots, and the netcode alone in this game completely eliminates any advantage that framerate would bring to the table.
Even then, all PC's aren't made equal, and the majority of PC gamers make do with standard 60hz monitors. Only people who take their gaming very seriously and look to play competitively actually sink the extra cash into high end 144hz monitors.

@crazed-corsair
So your saying that the turning sensitivity of th KB isn’t an advantage for the PC and that the Mouse doesn’t give any other added advantage over the controller. I could mention the occasional cheating too. I know the cheating is probably a really small part of the population, but cheating is cheating right. The issue is that with xbox players playing against other Xbox players or even other consoles haven’t experienced any of these disadvantages or cheating per say, not until cross-play was forced with the PC. I for one though, believe it or not support cross-play, the more players the merrier right. The problem is those disadvantages need to be addressed and the cheating no matter how small of the PC population needs to be curved. These dumb KB+M topics are pointless. I’m sure Microsoft will one day support them, wish they wouldn’t, adding a KB+M isn’t going to solve the issue. Let’s say the playing field is lvl with Pc by adding them. You are still going to probably have the majority of Xbox users, myself included using the controller, wouldn’t you say than we are still at a disadvantage. I believe that the majority of people claiming they want KB+M are mainly pc players who are now playing Xbox or whatever console. I view you it as if you want to use those, then play on the pc.

@cg-i-simple no im an xbox player who wants to play with controller without being at a disadvantage, with ship combat being balanced i can deal with it in this game but in others i wouldnt be able to, and yes i can accept that i get worked up but the isssue is only that cut and dry for the people who dont see the problem because they already use m and kb and like to play with it, you saying you hope im not pc complaining about xbox proves you know the advantage is real, and there will be a large portion of gamers who agree that they want to play with controllers ans also dont want to be at a disadvantage because of it.

Hence my call for server differentiation based on input device in anything, but especially fps or competitive games.

@mizz-amelie You are not alone :(

@mizz-amelie

This is the topic I made 2 months ago and still no change :(

https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/68945/still-no-mention-of-chatpad-or-keyboard-support-to-text-chat-for-xbox-one-in-the-patch-note/

@galactic-geek thank you for posting that, its clear that from phils perspective matchmaking should be filtered by input device in games that call for it. Otherwise being able to play games that weren't accessible is a good reason, provided that other games filter their matchmaking.

@cg-i-simple
I already posted a similar response in another topic like this one so I'm going to try and keep this one short. The choice shouldn't being there, unless its fair across the board. The issue with the Xbox vs Pc cross-play isn't that we have to play with Pc players, but the fact they have added advantages no matter how small an advantage, its still an advantage right. Now, you add KB+M support to Xbox and the playing field is lvl, but only for those who use the KB+M on Xbox, however the majority I would like think are going to continue to use the controller as that's what the console comes with and probably what the vast majority of the console player base are use to(myself included). Take Fortnite and Sony and its done right. Sony, has now allowed cross-play with Xbox, Pc and what not right well with limitations, if your a Sony user and want to use a KB+M you will only be allowed to play with PC players etc(input based matchmaking)I was against it in my other posts, but that's because it can't be done with this game, as its not cross-play optional.

No we as xbox players just dont want controllers to be obsolete, it would be doing the right thing not catering to us like some “my way or the highway” nonsense, and if anything that is what your argument is like... you guys are either delusional or just trolling me at this point which is pretty pathetic when you are the ones with the advantage against people who play with controller.

@cg-i-simple no adding support is perfectly acceptable as long as there is a place for controller v controller, and they support both rather than forcing every console player to either accept a disadvantage or throw their controllers away....

This really is simple you guys can stop baiting and trolling. The OP already knew this was going to happen when they posted and also already had talked about this subject when it was unoficially announced by phil spencer last time.

Why dont you guys watch that vid galactic posted, then you wouldnt seem so utterly confused or at the very least your denial will be obvious if you dont accept what he says in the video.