Xbox players, I'm sorry...

@xundeadxrabbitx said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

If this is for real then apology accepted! Thank you for the acknowledgement. The disadvantage isn't enough to make me quit just frustrating when you realize what you are up against. Great game, multiple interpretations of play style and visually pleasing. Still don't want to be lulled to sleep with this post but maybe you are sincere

I'm not joking. I now know what you Xbox players have been up against for months. And I'm just sorry I've contributed to dismissing and trying to "silence" you and the problem.

I will probably get "attacked" from all direction from some of my fellow PC players for this post. But I can take the heat knowing I'm in the right.

Thanks for accepting my apology. I've been trying to wash my hands in the salty seas ever since I got back home to my PC. Knowingly I'd been wrong all this time.

From now on I'll speak up when these topics and discussions appear on this forum or any other place. Something need's to be done.

@binaryplayerone Gonna have to agree with @Dawson-Dev here, I normally play on Xbox, but I’ve recently started playing on pc a bit, and let me say; on pc I was curb-stomped. I find it that it’s only the adjusting to the new control scheme that changed your opinion as it was the same with me. I’m fairly confident I could take out a majority of pc players whilst playing on console.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

I think you are just terrible at playing on Xbox.

I've been playing on various devices using a controller for decades. So no that's not the case. I'm a good controller player. I'd even say above average. This is about limitations on what you can do with a controller on a console running at 30 fps against a PC running at uncapped framrate with mouse & keyboard with super fast reaction time and precision.

The play style is completely different in Sea of Thieves. Those who dont belive me and cant try for themselves can just go find a stream and watch good experienced Xbox and PC players playing the game. The difference is noticeable immediately.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone I meant that you aren't use to playing SoT on console. I'm telling you from my experience, it's like being a snowboarding pro and then strapping on some skis. You have to put time in to master it again using different controls.

I understand. And yes of course my muscle memory and skills are higher on PC because that's what I've played on for the past 6 months and are used to. But you see and feel the difference even without having spent months on the console version.

You dont need months of practice and muscle memory playing Sea of Thieves on console to realize that PC and Xbox will never be playing against each other on the same level.

You just cant do some of the same things on Xbox that you can do when playing on PC. It's just not possible at the same level.

And I'm sorry if I'm a bit blunt now. But no one can convince me that a console player running at 30fps with a controller is on the same playing field as a player on a PC with uncapped framerate with a mouse & keyboard that have superior precision and reaction times.

Anyone can watch players stream Sea of Thieves. Find a good stream with Xbox and PC players playing. Watch how these experienced players move and fight. It's quite a eye opener when you do.

Take if farther....watch people play Overwatch on PC and console. You see the same thing. The flow of combat and how people move is completely different. It's at times almost like watching two completely different games.

I really feel for the majority of the Xbox community that have to play against PC players. Sure some skills levels, levels out the playing field. But overall it's a slaughter house out there...I'm surprised Xbox players haven't screamed out louder to be honest.

@personalc0ffee said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

OH please.

If you had been an active Xbox player your comment would have been of more interest to the discussion. But with you that's not the case. (it's really easy to check)

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone only in extreme situations will any of those factors make a difference.

I strongly disagree. And this sadly just shows the same level of arrogance I've shown these Xbox players all these months.

@personalc0ffee said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone I use an Xbox controller and I've sent many a PC player to an early grave.

I just watched how you play. And you play "slow" like most console players do with how you move and aim. Sure you can win over mouse & keyboard users. I'm not saying it's impossible or anything like that.

But anyone using a controller is at an disadvantage. And for the average Xbox player that disadvantage is just to much. And is why we for half a year have been seeing Xbox players complaining. And that's just the one's that finds their way to this forum.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone well I was always an xbox player until a month ago. So how does this "level of arrogance" apply to my informed opinion? I've mastered controls on both xbox and PC. I win the vast majority of the fights that I get in either way. There's no "slaughterhouse" that you spoke of. Just, for the most part, people that are better at the game than others or just lucky.

I've just watched some of your videos also now. And if you cant see the difference on how you play on these videos compared to most if not all videos from Xbox players then I dont know what to say.

And as I mentioned. Sure you can kill PC players using a controller. It's not like it's impossible. And if your a good player at core then that helps allot of course. But at the base level the difference is to big. It puts Xbox players in a to big of an disadvantage.

I'm sorry. But we will not agree on this.

@mayorsam01 said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

Wow a PC player saying sorry? When did that ever happen?

All seriousness though, Thanks as a 100% Xbox because I prefer A simple controller over a keyboard player I am sick of PC players throwing every insult they can at me so you may be just one guy but your words really have a impact.
Heres to more successful voyages that you undertake
Signed--The Legendary Captain Dom.

I'm sorry if I have dismissed your complaints and concerns about the game as a Xbox player on these forums. That will not happen again.

Happy sailing pirate!

@needsmokes said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

I've become accustomed to dying at the hands of a good PC players, not always the case, but underwater is where i struggle the most, it's almost impossible to get a shot away at them as they dart left and right constantly and i am simply too slow to react to their movements. It is what it is, and i can live with that. Without cross play i wouldn't be able to play SOT with several of my old internet friends. So it's a slight disadvantage i'm happy to bear.

I play 99% of the time with a friend that's on Xbox. So I would be so sad if cross-play was removed completely. That's not the answer. But it should be an option for Xbox players to turn it off it they feel like it's ruining their fun and experience with Sea of Thieves.

Either that or some form for advanced input-device matchmaking when joining a server/realm.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone well from my experience, when people are salty about losing they like to blame others. Often they will just accuse people of being evil PC players that are cheating. I was on Xbox and people would say that about me and my crew. So I think that saying that you lost because of PC players is nothing more than an excuse 99% of the time.

Sure I've come across my fair of that type of players myself. Even from PC players that regretted attacking my little sloop. I've taken down entire galleon crews by boarding them a few times and cutting them down (I love sword fighting). I'm the biggest cheater in the seven seas according to them... :D

I just think. No. I know. That we need to start taking this more seriously. I fear for the Sea of Thieves community if this is not addressed in some way in a near future. And I love this game to much to ignore or be silent about it.

And I'm sorry if I come off as rude. That's not my intention at all. We all love this game. So let's try to find a way for everyone to have as much fun as possible.

@personalc0ffee said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

I don't play slow at all.

Slow relative to a mouse & keyboard player. Watching your videos you play like most controller users that have some time in the game and feel comfortable with a controller.

That's not ment as something negative against you at all. You are just limited by your input device. That's all I mean.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone I'm going to go back to what I said earlier about you misinterpreting your lack of mastery at playing SoT on console as some kind of universal handicap that all xbox players have. If you had spent months playing SoT on Xbox, as I have, I don't think you would be acting as hysterical about these differences.

Probably not intentional. But I think you are insulting the Xbox community by saying this. We have been having complaints on cross-play from Xbox players for over half a year now. And that's just from the ones that takes their time to express their frustration.

I base this post and my reaction on 6 months of complaints from the Xbox community. From playing the game with a controller and from over 32 years of playing games. I'm going to be 40 years old this week...(damn I'm old) I know when I see a competitive disadvantage in games.

It's fine that you and some others dont agree. And that you are content with the experience you have. But as long as there are complaints coming from the Xbox community I for one as mainly a PC player with Sea of Thieves will now support their concerns and complaints about cross-play not being optional.

@dawson-dev said in Xbox players, I'm sorry...:

@binaryplayerone the reason I disagree with you is that 99% it comes down to skill and tactics. The odd time that you're in an intense situation where a real PC player gets the better of you for no other reason than because he/she is using a mouse and keyboard is rare.

I don't think it's good to try and spread hysteria about how most xbox players don't even have a chance against PC players. Because they definitely do have a chance if they use better tactics and work well with there crew.

The net effect of having people believe that if they lost badly that it must have been a PC player is that they become resentful and want to go on witch hunts. Instead people should be reflecting on why they let someone get the better of them in the first place. Did someone make it up your ladder because they were on PC? No. They made it up because no one was watching ladders. Most of the time you lose because of a tacticle error, not because someone has a high FPS or aim sensitivity.

This is not about spreading hysteria. Or that Xbox players dont have a chance against PC players. Because they certainly do. But they are at an disadvantage. And one that for many under equal conditions would result in a different outcome in a battle.

Tactics is one thing. How you move and fight is something completely different.

The argument of watching a ladder and "getting better" is just again insulting all the Xbox players that have been complaining.

Would you tell a Counterstrike, Overwatch or a PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds player to "get better" if there were cross-play on these games? Because there's just as much tactics in these games.

My guess is you wouldn't. And Sea of Thieves shouldn't be an exception. Dont tell people to get better when it's the input device that's limiting them from playing on the same level.

@binaryplayerone Lol careful mate, you might get jumped and murdered by the Pc players for saying such things xD

I personally just go well out of my way to avoid PvP. Unless I’m on a vendetta l**o! Which is a shame because PvP is a great aspect about this game but it’s just not balanced enough. To me personally I just feel if I can tell what system someone is on there’s a problem. But I don’t wanna get into an Crossplay argument aha.

Either way get prepared to be jumped and be told how bad you are now, I play OW competitive and usually always reach high masters level which is Top 5% of players I believe. But I’m just bad with a controller.

Also you get those people who say I tried PC and didn’t notice a difference and then to proceed to call you bad with controller, every think maybe there just bad with a Mouse and Key? Pffft nahhh can’t be that it’s always got to be someone else xD

Either way welcome to the club, Hope you like having your views and opinions dismissed and being neglected xD

@knifelife I'm thick skinned and got a bag of good arguments :)

@binaryplayerone Well just be aware facts mean nothing on the internet, it’s those with the loudest voice who have the other louder voices backing them up. That counts as truth around here lol.

Good luck friend I’ll be watching in the shadows... xD

@fishst1ck I've played longer with a controller on Xbox. But it's now that I've had long game sessions with a controller. Opening my eyes up for the disadvantage Xbox players have in this game. Once I experienced it more detailed for myself I then started watching streams of good Xbox and PC players to see how some of the best play.

And it's so apparent that Xbox and PC players are not on the same level.

I think allot of the complaints mention turning speed because they think they somehow then can control a battle faster and precise. It will help but it wont give no where close to what a mouse & keyboard setup delivers. That's just preposterous.

Loading times etc are now more or less equal except when loading into the game. So that's no issue.

I disagree that it's not a competitive shooter. Because in some cases it is. It's just that there's more to it then just run & gun. Just running fast from the bottom of a galleon to the top deck is different on PC then on Xbox. Everything you do is effected by the limitations of a controller. That's not to say it's bad to play this game with a controller. By no means.

But you are at a disadvantage.

And I agree that it's sad that there's two groups against each other. But PC and Xbox are two completely different gaming systems and experiences. It's no wonder players are finding it frustrating.