This Game is Not Newbie Friendly

  • I absolutely love this game. I've spent days' worth of time on it (possibly weeks), with no intention of stopping any point soon. Today, I had an experience that has changed how I view this game.

    I joined a random galleon, hoping to get people who were fighting the skelly ships so I could get the commendation. As soon as I logged in, I heard almost every player's worst nightmare: a kid who was 10-13. My immediate inclination was to relog and not spend my time, but the AWFUL load times on the Xbox (seriously Rare, please do something about them) coupled with an article I read about someone helping out a younger player kept me in the game.

    It turns out that this was the kid's first day playing. Since I had a couple hours to kill before my friends were available, I decided to show them the ropes. After helping them load up the ship, we got a 2 more permanent crew mates: another 10-13 year old, and an older guy. Both said they were new. So, I helped them learn how to sail a galleon, and we even went on a couple low level voyages together.

    It turned out that the older guy was actually a Legend, which he gave away by putting a unicorn on our ship. The kids didn't know, but I did. After a couple voyages and a valiant but failed attempt at fighting a skelly ship, we went our separate ways.

    After, I started reflecting, and I realized that this game is awful for new players. The kid had already experienced several people quitting on him, and even being locked in the brig because of his age and his experience level.

    There should be something to help new players more than a quick tutorial about eating a banana. Maybe a 10 minute voyage on a separate server that teaches them how to gather supplies, turn sails, and other small things that experienced players do in their sleep. There should also be something in place to discourage new players from playing on galleons and brigs, since the sloop is so much easier to learn on. Possibly even something that matches players together based on time played until a certain point.

    None of these are perfect solutions, but I feel like it would be a good step in the direction that keeps new players joining this game.

    P.S. I don't know if you're on the forums, but again, thank you for your patience and staying cool, unnamed Legend that sailed with us.

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  • You got a point but still I think it is not nessesary. Today we got youtube and everybody also kids are looking there or should be. If not they don't have the brains in the first place.

    And besides that its just to darn beautifull that there is no tutorial. You learn while you go. The game presents itself in in purest form there is. You start with just yourself and the rest is there to discover and to explore.

  • As soon as they fight a PC crew they will leave the game anyway. Just check out the rare achievements for SoT. The numbers don't lie.

  • @boldgame While I do agree that it feels so nice not having my hand held at the beginning of the game, it does feel weird that you have to either learn the basics on your own or go to a third party and have them teach you. Maybe have an optional tutorial? One where you can choose to go back and play if you skipped it. That might be a good middle ground.

  • @captgraykid I don't actually know what numbers you're referring to. However, in my experience, kids have fun and enjoy the game regardless of the platform if their enemy. Most can't tell the difference.

  • The problem you discribed has been brought up before but it's natural concquence of the type of game experiance it provides althou some small changes and additions have been made to mitigate this have been made to varing degrees of success this is just as much a player driven then it is a mechnic based one. I do think this game however is the most newb freindly game at it's core as it has no barriers that sperate or otherwise disadvantages new players in anyway. The fact that this is a skilled based co-op experience. Inherently means no crew wants an inexperiance player especially that a kid which is a high risk of being undisplaned. As it puts the whole crew at a disadvantage. Since their is no incentive to counter act the disadvantage only player like you that are willing to teach will do so. But any multi player game is going to be tough on new players especially squeekers. If youare able to come up with a possible solution to this that would be great.

  • @enf0rcer There is the system feature Looking for Group. Use it, it's great. The game doesn't have to build something that already exists in the system. If you play random matchmaking, you get the worst players.

  • @peskyookamiinu I do think starting out on a sloop is best as that how i started but the game solo is considered to be the equivent to hard mode as this game was designed from the start to be a co-op experience. The galleon was pushed to be the starting point as you were suppose to learn one job at a time instead of all jobs at once. At the this games core it makes no Distinctions between a newb or a vet. They original had a kind of god mode for players in tutoral section of the game and it got exploted. Most of your other suggestion might have the same issue.

  • An another way would be that we have Sever options. Like by Monster Hunter World there are Servers vor Newbies. It would be nice for all Player that they have a Option to say what kind of Crew they want. But yeah we should help Newbies i do it if it's possible but it's the Natur of Humans. It will be Hard to find a good solution for this. A Tutorial would help to yes but it would take someone the Experience. I like how they do it now. Rare want us to interact.

  • There are many games out today that throw you in without a tutorial - nature of this particular beast. You learn by doing - we all did it when we started playing. Are there newbie groups that one can find so that new players can hop aboard together and explore the ships without fear of being brigged or bullied for being less experienced?

  • @x1-two said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    @enf0rcer There is the system feature Looking for Group. Use it, it's great. The game doesn't have to build something that already exists in the system. If you play random matchmaking, you get the worst players.

    Fist off this asumes this problem doesn't also occur with LFG which it does nor does it take into considration if a kid or any newb player knows let alone wants to use LFG. The point i made is it is a player driven issue one that will continue to occur no matter in game solutions are taken. How ever we should always try to come up with new way to mitigate such issues. As far as your comment about randoms being the worst while that may be true im sure Rare would be very sad to hear that as that was a design goal.

  • @bran-the-ent said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    There are many games out today that throw you in without a tutorial - nature of this particular beast. You learn by doing - we all did it when we started playing. Are there newbie groups that one can find so that new players can hop aboard together and explore the ships without fear of being brigged or bullied for being less experienced?

    Good question. There a few you can find on LFG which is an option for some but most newb player have the best chance if they start with freinds they already have to play with. A solo newb is going to have a hard time and a very different experience.

  • @enf0rcer I’d say the correct way to put it would be that randoms can be the worst. I’ve had some great experiences with random matchmaking... I’ve also had some truly awful ones. I just managed to finish two battles in a row with a random crew. We all worked well together and divvied up the duties - I got lucky on that one.

  • @bran-the-ent said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    @enf0rcer I’d say the correct way to put it would be that randoms can be the worst. I’ve had some great experiences with random matchmaking... I’ve also had some truly awful ones. I just managed to finish two battles in a row with a random crew. We all worked well together and divvied up the duties - I got lucky on that one.

    I agree

  • @enf0rcer You can look for groups that only allow adults.

  • You feel sorry that the new player got brig’ed??? You know that you need 3 vote’s to put number 4 in brig, and you were part of that, and now you come to the forum and say you feel sorry for him??? Come on maaan.

    And there is a option SLOOP solo sloop and start trying out pvp and more thats How i started.

  • @peskyookamiinu

    I saw some noobs getting hammered in the Wilds curse sails, screaming about why are they dancing all the time, they died very quick

  • @peskyookamiinu ur idea is great and i totally agree kid or adult whatever seriously first time i got on a beta i was lost and my friend when they bought the game lol same thing ^^ this idea is seriously needed !

  • Meh, I think You are overreacting. I had such situation once, 3 legit 10 yo kids(2 total newbies, one spanishonly.avi) and me, no problem.
    It took for me like 5 min to teach 2 of them how game works(they understood angling and decided its useless :D). We set sails and at the end of the day HMS Kindergarten sunk about 6 sloops and 1 galleon. I had so much fun showing them the game and sharing it with them, the real problem is... when newbie does not want to learn... :/
    We are their tutorial, as community.

  • @szawel123 While I agree that we should teach new players, I think you can agree that most veteran players are really harsh on new players: especially if they're young.

  • @x1-two said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    @enf0rcer You can look for groups that only allow adults.

    How in any way does this help the new players? Or contribute to making this game more newb freindly? If anything this has the opposit effect acffect as less adult players will not even bother to play with kids if they are easier to avoid. Plus LFG doesn't vaildate ages. Therefore many kids will try to join from a post even thou it is mark adults only. Then if they accidentally get a game invite and mange to join the game with no way to boot them we then end back with the issue of the brig.

  • @peskyookamiinu said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    @szawel123 While I agree that we should teach new players, I think you can agree that most veteran players are really harsh on new players: especially if they're young.

    This is why i try really hard not to be. Unfortunately i find some players just have to go learn some things the hard way.

  • @captgraykid get skilled and stop lying

  • @szawel123 said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    We are their tutorial, as community.

    Love this phrase. I think that along with the Pirate Code this probably reflects Rare's hopes for the community ...
    Article 6:
    Respect New Pirates and Their Voyage Ahead
    May the old legends help to forge new ones: treat new pirates with respect and share your knowledge.

    In an idea world this is what we'd be doing, helping the new ones along but unfortunately there are those who aren't willing to do this for new players and this reflects on their impressions of the Community as a whole.

  • A big part of the draw for me was learning about everything I didn't know - the more I learned, the more I wanted to continue playing, because it simply gave me more reasons to play, try newer things, and explore. It's this very reason I still play; even as a pioneer and founder who has been playing since the closed alpha, I am still discovering things that I didn't even know about, even this week, yesterday, this morning. And the best part? Every voyage is different, for better or for worse.

  • @enf0rcer Use it before complaining. You can set up a group stating that you are new and need help from some experienced adults and you will have a full crew within ten minutes.

  • @x1-two said in This Game is Not Newbie Friendly:

    @enf0rcer Use it before complaining. You can set up a group stating that you are new and need help from some experienced adults and you will have a full crew within ten minutes.

    There you go agian with assumptions. Frist off I do you LFG which is why i'm making a vaild criticism and not a compliant. 2nd You failed to address the fact that LFG may not be viable for some new players.

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