The awful voyage rewards and no lower tier cosmetics made my whole crew quit SoT - twice

If they quit twice did they really quit twice?

Weird you complained about mid tier reward payout at mid tier rank.

You'll appreciate not getting fouls and castaways at 45.

They also specifically added "low tier" sails. 7k for some fancy colours. Very reasonable in comparison.

@simplybutta I could really use that, hardly anyone does MA, and like OP my main group of friends have already gotten bored of the game so I pretty much HAVE to go solo to do em

@realstyli @SimplyButta @HyenaNoises Thanks for the tips guys but I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. As I've mentioned, I'm well aware that I can cancel voyages constantly to get a better one. I also know I can farm fort, and jump servers until I find another one with active fort. I'm also aware I can ask on forums for someone to come and share voyages with me (which is not a great workaround since my crew was always 4 man squad so no extra slots). What I'm saying is that it's a very bad game design. Players don't feel engaged enough if they don't advance. I'd compare it to bodybuilding. Most people quit on start because they don't see results. I had to train for 12 years naturally to get into really good shape without "workarounds". But this is a video game, not a real life. If I and my crew can't get anywhere without grinding 8 hours a day and doing some "tricks" or look for help on the internet (we should be able to meet people IN THE GAME in a social place and ask there if anything...you know...immersion) then there's something terribly wrong with the game. In SoT, if you have only 2 hours a day to play you better not even start. That's not good.

@captain-surgee said in The awful voyage rewards and no lower tier cosmetics made my whole crew quit SoT - twice:

Here's what needs to be done:

• boost voyage rewards. At level 25+ I get only seaferers and marauders chests. Come on! It took me long enough to get to 25 already. I feel zero progression.

Congrats already done. While it doesn’t remove those chests from you getting them the rate you see them goes down the higher Rep you are.

• Add low and middle tier cosmetics for the ship. The gap is too huge. Even if I play less than 2 hours a day, I should be able to upgrade my ship every now and then. I need to feel that I'm constantly advancing.

Congrats again, THD included some low level ship cosmetics for those of us slow leveling people with little to no income.

@mrgrim67686 yet you enjoy coming here and forcing people to read through you poor attempts at trolling on the forums.

Another thread to ignore

@ghostpaw 5k an hour without fort? You must be very lucky or I am very unlucky. I keep on getting seaferers chests all the time. Cashing in even 20 of them will roughly give 2-3k. I still think you are completely missing the point. There is no middle ground when it comes to ship cosmetics. For anyone that is not a hardcore SoT player there isn't anything affordable. And no, I don't want to hate on the game. I've been playing SoT since 2016 in the first alpha wave and been active on forum since then. I just think this aspect of the game was very badly designed.

@braxkedren I've only seen single colour sails. Are there cheap liveries?

@daddymacdown said in The awful voyage rewards and no lower tier cosmetics made my whole crew quit SoT - twice:

@captain-surgee you can change your sails now for much less a price but they aren't as cool. The point of having ship upgrades is to show your hard work off. It wouldnt be as cool is everyone's ship was decked out and it wouldn't bring that oh s**t feeling when a fully decked out galleon has set course to pursue you.

Nah, the point of EXPENSIVE and very cool designs is to show of your hard work. With a game that is all about cosmetics, anyone should have a chance to customize the ship and have a fair amount of choices. I am all for cosmetics that will cost even 10000000000, let those grinders enjoy their fancy epic designs but give us people with busy lives something to be happy about too. If the levels go so slow and I keep on cashing in seafearers forever, at least let me buy something for it. I've did more grind in this game than any other in the last few years and I feel I got nothing.

In case anyone is interested, since the game has come out I probably play an average of 5 hours a week. I have only bought a couple beards. I currently have 220k. It's been 11 weeks. So somehow my average is 20k a week or 4k an hour.
Sometimes I make nothing though, and sometimes I'm lucky at get 10k in a day off a fort.
But yeah, for those of us who don't have a lot of time to play games, the ship customization costs are a little high. They're probably that way just because there are not a lot of customizations and Rare wants to buy some time before they release more.

@bogusmeatinc said in The awful voyage rewards and no lower tier cosmetics made my whole crew quit SoT - twice:

I can understand your frustration with the high cost of some of the cosmetics versus the rewards in journeys, but I would like to suggest a different perspective in the game.

I am not saying you are playing the game wrong, but maybe try shifting focusing from grinding for loot to buy cosmetics to interacting with others. I find that a lot of people's unhappiness with the game stems from their need for the defined progression systems of most games. I find that the most fun I have is when I stop worrying about loot and love the madness of intervening in a firefight and proclaiming via sounding trumpet that I am an interseas mediator and that we can, "Talk out our problems with the primal power of music therapy!" In some silly hippy voice.

Just go crazy and embrace the absurd as you play with randoms and demand their undying loyalty to your banana-god, "Steve," that you keep in your pocket. Sometimes the reward is getting folks to laugh and come out of their shell.

Again! Not saying you HAVE to do this, but sometimes we place too much importance on loot and gear and not enough on making folks have a good time on all sides of the screen.

Funny enough that's what I was doing until now. Since 2016 alpha until now I was doing PVP or just interacting with others, helping out. Then my crew though about finally upgrading our ship and pirates and everything went downhill from there.

@bogusmeatinc said in The awful voyage rewards and no lower tier cosmetics made my whole crew quit SoT - twice:

I can understand your frustration with the high cost of some of the cosmetics versus the rewards in journeys, but I would like to suggest a different perspective in the game.

I am not saying you are playing the game wrong, but maybe try shifting focusing from grinding for loot to buy cosmetics to interacting with others. I find that a lot of people's unhappiness with the game stems from their need for the defined progression systems of most games. I find that the most fun I have is when I stop worrying about loot and love the madness of intervening in a firefight and proclaiming via sounding trumpet that I am an interseas mediator and that we can, "Talk out our problems with the primal power of music therapy!" In some silly hippy voice.

Just go crazy and embrace the absurd as you play with randoms and demand their undying loyalty to your banana-god, "Steve," that you keep in your pocket. Sometimes the reward is getting folks to laugh and come out of their shell.

Again! Not saying you HAVE to do this, but sometimes we place too much importance on loot and gear and not enough on making folks have a good time on all sides of the screen.

I cringed when you described how you play, as that type of goofy ‘fun’ is not fun for me and IMO ranks up there with troll squeakers shouting the n-word on their new megaphones. However, I’m glad you found a personally entertaining way to play.

Myself and many others are not trying to make the game a grind, but if you don’t enjoy being silly or imagining your own content, what else is there to do but pvp for no rewards or follow the core game loop to grind missions for gold? I’m short, that is it.

We don’t have tools or environment manipulation to support creative sandboxing, no class/hero ability variation/customization like in overwatch/LoL/hots/tf2, no rotating set of objectives/maps/goals/land sovereignty to fight for to organize pvp, no resources to gather and use in crafting, no player driven economy or merchant trade routes, no variety of ship classes or sidegrade customizations (eg thicker hull but slower speed), etc.

What we have is a barebones pirate themed vr chat lobby, with some poorly implemented fetch quests and overpriced cosmetics, where people either need to imagine exciting content or pvp for the sake of killing to find fun.