Griefing is sadly worse than I anticipated

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@uvg-reign With instances being so small in terms of population, you would expect a huge degree of variation in experience depending on whatever maniacs / decent people you happen to get grouped with.

So, yes, people having wildly inconsistent experiences is exactly what I'd expect.

If you happen to get matched with some unpleasant bloodthirsty crews, you're in for several hours of frustration. On the flip side, if the majority of players on an instance are benign, you'll be happy.

The small number of ships sharing a world means this kind of inconsistency of experience is statistically inevitable.

Hmm. I personally like having the excitement of being able to be sunk. Finished a raid earlier with a decent crew, kept biting our nails on our way back with the lootz :D Always one lookout and the rest carrying items.

If you are not into pvp it's usually pretty easy to escape, if you want pvp and the enemies want it to, well then it works out. It really is hard to catch up to someone AND sink them if they don't want to fight. Usually me and my crew just give up on them.

This is meant to be an open world pvp game after all, it's not meant to be safe everywhere. It's a game of pirates and murdering. Although I do enjoy the occasional friendlies :D (Not much to do with them once they are identified as such though...)

If you were hunted by a galleon over and over it might be just one specific crew targeting you. You could try rejoining the game and enter a new session with new crews.

I have started using the xbox party finder to get a good crew. Always ticking in "Mic-required" and that fixes it for me :D

This is the internet. Internet, especially internet gaming, is known for toxic trolls. I'll cite any MOBA community as evidence. Internet gaming would be truly phenomenal if it weren't for the average internet gamer. People can be this cruel and remorseless because there really isn't any threat or punishment they consider harsh enough to not grief. I like the idea of the 'kill tax' over the 'death tax.' That way, if they want to gang up on players, they better hope it's in the name of piracy to counter the loss of gold for griefing. It should direct players to fight for loot instead of just trolling for the keks.

@x1-two

I think it's what I pointed out earlier - the small numbers of players in an instance means it only takes a couple of dedicated griefing crews to really lessen the overall experience.

Given we're only a few days into launch, people will only have played a few sessions (each of several hours, on different instances).

You'd statistically expect high variability of experience. The problem in my view is that the design is too content to accept the lows in exchange for the highs, instead of trying to find a way to mitigate them.

And for me, it's looking like the lows are too low...

you can totally destroy a galleon with a sloop. Yesterday we sunk two. It requires more skill but totally doable.

@shrek-t-t

I know it's a waste of time trying to articulate, but here goes:

I actually like the concept of open world unrestricted PvP. I enjoyed the game in beta. But this game could be so much more than the "pirate Rust" it currently is. And given Rare's statements of a welcoming and inclusive community, and a game for everyone, I'm slightly at a loss as to how they arrived at the current design.

For the record, Sea of Pink Bunnies sounds awesome, where do I sign up?

I wish I could say my initial experience these last two days has been at all refreshing. Now don't get me wrong, I love PvP. The thrill of needing to watch my back, of never knowing someone's true intentions (It's why I was dumb and bought into The Division, too.) But...There's a fine line between the piracy, and just straight up trolly griefing nonsense.

Attacking a ship, killing it's crew, plundering it's booty? That's piracy. Expect that. Expect to be backstabbed, to be assaulted from every angle, there are no friends but the ones out there on the seas manning your crew. Now... Taking advantage of single spawn points on sloops, screaming obscenities and/or racial slurs while you repeatedly to camp someone's spawn, kill them repeatedly without taking their loot, following them when they scuttle to repeat the process to the point of forcing them to quit the game entirely to find a new server? That's not piracy. That's just stupidity. There's a difference. You can defend it as "pirates and thieves" all you want, but the end of the day is that's not piracy, that's a group of people going out of their way to make it so someone can't play the game.

I do so love when the pirate code is upheld and we get some actual fights going. Proper pirates that earn the loot by sinking me and taking it fair and square, not by camping my spawn for 20 minutes telling me to slit my wrists.

@shrek-t-t

You realize a single cannonball kills, right? 4 guns on one side, with a full crew vs. a single gun that can be manned only when you aren't steering is a huge mismatch of inherent balance and capability. Then tell me galleon crews don't hawk turn in points looking for soft targets.

@danablo

Let me translate:

"THE GAME IS EXACTLY HOW I LIKE IT AND I WILL REACT EMOTIONALLY TO ANY CHALLENGE TO THAT"

@dimwitmegalodon

XD

Notice he tells you to 'GIT GUD KID', yet his ability to play enough to 'GIT GUD' suggests he doesn't have many other obligations or outlets than being a toxic virtual pirate.

Hard to improve your skills when you're constantly respawning as 4 cannons camp your sloop spawn.

@dimwitmegalodon said in Griefing is sadly worse than I anticipated:

@danablo

Let me translate:

"THE GAME IS EXACTLY HOW I LIKE IT AND I WILL REACT EMOTIONALLY TO ANY CHALLENGE TO THAT"

Let me translate that,

"im a noob and cant pvp cause im trash. Therefore I vent my anguish on forums. I should have read the game description before buying it"

@danablo

But Danablo, you're missing out on the meta-game, which is coming to the forum to ask for the game to be changed.

What you fail to realise is that I have transcended the bounds of mere in-game play. I play outside the matrix also.

THERE ARE NO RULES IN THIS WAR.

@dimwitmegalodon They have already said that the game will not be changed. Get over it

@shrek-t-t

Neat. When circumstances allow it. When you spawn into the cannons, not much time to maneuver or get to the gun.

@danablo

You can't stop me Danablo, my friend. You'll have to live with the knowledge that I, and others like me, will continue to feel slightly differently from you about a video game. And we will continue to express our feelings mildly, repeatedly, with some articulate forum posts.

You'll just have to get over it. I will grief you continually with my verbs and nouns.

@dimwitmegalodon said in Griefing is sadly worse than I anticipated:

@danablo

You can't stop me Danablo, my friend. You'll have to live with the knowledge that I, and others like me, will continue to feel slightly differently from you about a video game. And we will continue to express our feelings mildly, repeatedly, with some articulate forum posts.

You'll just have to get over it. I will grief you continually with my verbs and nouns.

not really..................................meh.......

@danablo Good comeback.

@dimwitmegalodon You need to get yourself onto discord and meet people through Discord. It really is the only way to go. You can have a little chat with people then before you even enter the game.

@shrek-t-t No I'm not, but I very much enjoyed the euphemism "stiff hull", so I will appropriate that for my own use, thank you.