Respawn change confirmed - this needs more careful balance!

@elite-assasin87

Have you experienced it both ways?

There's a lot of epic adventures that have happened with infinite reapawn. There's also a lot of griefing and no satisfaction from finally "winning" and ending the battle. Surely there's a middle ground that would allow for more adventure and eventual finality.

@jacksonwallop It gives more incentive to not let your ship sink or to have your whole crew abandon the ship. Btw if you spawn in while the ship is sinking you get put at the mermaid.

@jacksonwallop It's not always "one and done." There are times where the surviving crew might swim their stuff to a nearby island, and the winning crew might need to scour the island for them while also guarding against the losing team from swimming back out with a powder keg or something. I've seen these kinds of situations play out in the final beta with these changes, and it works well.

I don't think this is a call to arms issue. I think it is a quality of life issue.

Death is not permanent in this game and has little punishment besides the loss of treasure and supplies at this time. I am trying to think of a similar example for you on this, but I honestly think you should be able to respawn on your ship...WHILE YOU HAVE A SHIP. If you ship is at the bottom of the ocean you should not be able to respawn on/in/around the area of your sunken ship. You have a new one to set sail on the seas with. So you should respawn there.

No one is saying you cannot have epic battles any longer. Stockpile your cannonballs and lumber and repair while trying to sink their ship. This is meant for people whose ship is down and out respawning in the ocean, jumping on board another's ship (which you cannot do anything with.....Try to raise an anchor, try to steer it aground, you cannot take it over).

Sorry, but battle over if you have nothing to battle with. You may have lost the fight, but you can go get your ship and come back for a war.

This was the best information given during the stream lol.

The actual system makes a lot more sense.

If you lost the battle you lost the battle, it's pure logic.........but you didn't lose the war, because you know where the battle took place and can try to get your revenge in the possible outpost where they will try to sell the spoils....and now a new battle begins.

@jacksonwallop I think the way they did it in the beta really rewards the victors now. If anything spawn the ship 4 0r 5 islands away so they have a chance to catch up and redeem their spoils or honor.

Love the change, but I think the ship respawn radius needs to be larger.

During the final beta, every time our ship sank, our new ship spawned at an island which always had the ship that sank us visible on the horizion if on the crows nest. It should be further.

One and done is how it should be, I myself hated being on both sides of the situation. It forced me to leave the game when in a solo sloop because engaging means downtime when making coin is priority for me at the every refresh and its faster to leave server and start new then taking 20 minutes or more of downtime. With the new mechanic everything will be more efficient on time for both sides.

Yep this is a logical system - boat goes down, no more respawn. However it also makes pvp much shorter and hardcore. The battles went from very long to short. It might follow strict logic, but is it fun for the battle to be over so quickly?

That question is worth looking at.

• Especially when they've designed encounters to be few and far between, the question of how long battles should last is important.
• Especially in a game where they pick and chose when and where to bend logic for the sake of fun.
• The skill gap between old and new players will only increase, making battles even shorter and less forgiving, and frankly boring for old players. (eg. It took 10min to find someone, then it was over instantly)

@jacksonwallop You're only looking at the length of time after the battle has already concluded. The battle itself could last an hour before one of the ships sinks.

The "mop-up" phase is not the entire battle, but you seem to be treating it as such.

Personally, the mop-up phase having unlimited respawns was hands down the most un-fun mechanic I've ever witnessed in a game. There is still plenty of comeback potential as it is now, where survivors have one life to flee to an island with salvage or climb up the victor's boat to blow it up.

I dunno, general consensus I saw was one and done was the approach people wanted. If youve lost your ship and died, you are done. Your chance to do anything was in the moment of your ship sinking, even then theres never a whole lot you could do because you still dont have a ship. All its really done in my eyes has ended a dull cycle, allowed the victors to potentially get some rewards and the losers to move on quicker.

If you aint got a ship, you aint doing sh..

The only "battles" I saw end quickly were those that had crews come up on other ships that were docked and basically defenseless otherwise most battles go on for quite a while and the whole cycle prior to this change ruined that epicness.

The endless respawn loop was my biggest complaint and it's gone. If your boat is sunk I don't know what you get out of endlessly respawning. You're not going to reclaim your chests and swim away with them and live.

I personally am extremely happy about this change, its one ive been arguing for a while now. A good few months of moaning has paid off!

While i dont particularly want to get into another massive debate over this topic (The last one seemed to cause alot of friction lol) i will just say i personally think this system is alot more fair and rewarding. It also adds abit more strategy to the PvP aspect of the game also.

The developers did also state they will be keeping a close eye on the stats and feedback around the change so im sure they will tweak it if the need arises.

But im a very happy pirate hearing this welcome change! And also apparently stun locks with swords will be gone for launc to! My two biggest issues have been fixed! Huzzzah!

@knifelife Wait, is stunlock seriously being ditched? Ive been moaning about that for what seems like the life of my forum existence. I despise it, so cheap haha. If its really gone I am one happy pirate (if not ill keep with my moaning because its a "sucky" mechanic haha)

@aprovoked-mango Yes generally its the parked ship that goes down quickly, but here is a video my brother recorded when him, another friend and I where crewed up. We parked at a skeleton fort, and we sunk their ship twice, while we were anchored sitting still and they had the first attack both times with just 2 of us on board, the 2nd time we ended them quickly.

We were just excited doing our first fort, but we would have lost our ship right away if the enemy crew was experienced. Normally i never leave the ship without sails and anchor up, and helm at center.

warning its a long watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdonxeW0e1c

@aprovoked-mango I have no proof, just rumors. But someone told me earlier it had been confirmed that it was being removed for launch. Theres a chance i may be celebrating to early. But i personally haven't ever seen anyone defend the mechanic, its usually always people saying how they dont like it. So i would say its a matter of when rather then if when it goes.

Hopefully its gone though, im sure the whole community will cheer if it is xD

i like the new change from the limite experiance i had with it in final beta.