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Loot nerfed into the ground?
@lem0n-curry I did 1 dive for OOS and got 5 items total, 1 being worth 30K and OOS specific special item, but i only made 40k as opposed to 100-120k before S10 because it only got me to grade 2 instead of grade 5. Its really discouraging. I then proceeded to do oos voyages without diving to see if i would get more loot, but nope. Took me 7 voyages to get to grade 5 (about 3h) to make 100k gold. This change is absolutely disgusting and not rewarding at all. I really don't understand how they could say it's "a lot more rewarding in Season 11" , as it stands it's exactly the opposite.
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@schwammlgott said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
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Ahoy!
So I'm in the early stages of testing out the new update. I figured I'd try an Athena Sea fort raid.
Gotta admit, super underwhelming. I understand balancing, but now that Athena can go to 100(x5) you guys can do better than 3 pieces of loot.
Minimum 10 pieces of treasure, even if they are low value is better.
No harm tossing in some miscellaneous treasure opposed to NO additional treasure either.
After looking through the form briefly it seems most voyages and loot has been significantly reduced.
As someone who WAS max level this is super discouraging, and I hope Rare addresses this quickly.
What's an "athena sea fort"? 🤔
Doing an Athena Fortune dive to a Sea fort - should give Athena items instead of a mix.
It does give athena items?
Aye, AFAIK diving for an emissary should give you (mostly) emissary specific loot.
Nice...so with that info I say to OP...it's fine that there's not more loot for athena there...would be too easy to grind that faction...it's already easy enough...
@schwammlgott
Well sure but they need to at least boost the rep gained then, because it takes a really long time to get to grade 5 and it's nearly not giving you any reputation, as it stands it will take people years to get to athena level 70-80-90-100 🤷♂️😅@haltzo5045 sagte in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
@schwammlgott
Well sure but they need to at least boost the rep gained then, because it takes a really long time to get to grade 5 and it's nearly not giving you any reputation, as it stands it will take people years to get to athena level 70-80-90-100 🤷♂️😅Years? Never...
Remember year1...where you had to do over 90 athena voyages to get to lvl 10?
And rank V is done in under an hour with a veil voyage, even soloPretty sure point was to balance voyage types so the Veil wasn't the only option worth doing.
@schwammlgott
Not anymore, you don't get grade 5 anymore from doing LoTV , and you get alot less than before, in season 10 it was easy to level yes. But those days are gone.@haltzo5045 sagte in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
@softwarengineer
Well, as it stands Athena isn't worth doing in general 🤷♂️If you do it efficiently...like 3 veil voyages in a row, getting 3 emissary voyages that way...once I had all 3 chests and kegs from the 2nd chapter of the emissary voyages on one island at the same time
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@schwammlgott
Not anymore, you don't get grade 5 anymore from doing LoTV , and you get alot less than before, in season 10 it was easy to level yes. But those days are gone.I will see on friday...
Anyway...it always has been random loot, it wasn't often but from time to time I didn't get to rank V by finishing it...1-2 megs or skellie ships and it's done...
Sea forts are one of the lowest raid voyages, so the loot isn't good. You need to do a raid voyages with a cloud above it to get the new raid items. In an athena ashen winds you get the talisman of fortunes, which is 5k. Add on a couple more athena items and you get 8-10k in Athena loot for the quickest world event. I could do one, sell the loot, and dive in 20-25 minutes. Today I'll try athena skeleton fort and fleet, which are going to give even better rewards. I got to level 38 in a couple hours (though my level seemed to glitch upward at some point)
I think it's weird to hear that some voyages have been nerfed, I'll have to check this out. Though I think S11 is going to be about completely changing the way we do voyages. As a GH, OoS, or MA emissary, you should stop at every shipwreck, kill every emergent captain, and do every bottle quest, for instance. Add on top of that the rebalancing, it might be best for everyone to research new ways to get grade up fast. For instance, as a GH, maybe it's beneficial to try regular voyages, as riddle and quest completion gives grade? Maybe it's best to do Devil's Roar?
And let's not do regular Athena voyages and cursed chest voyages and expect to get much Athena rep!
@grumpyw01f said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
Sea forts are one of the lowest raid voyages, so the loot isn't good. You need to do a raid voyages with a cloud above it to get the new raid items. In an athena ashen winds you get the talisman of fortunes, which is 5k. Add on a couple more athena items and you get 8-10k in Athena loot for the quickest world event. I could do one, sell the loot, and dive in 20-25 minutes. Today I'll try athena skeleton fort and fleet, which are going to give even better rewards. I got to level 38 in a couple hours (though my level seemed to glitch upward at some point)
I think it's weird to hear that some voyages have been nerfed, I'll have to check this out. Though I think S11 is going to be about completely changing the way we do voyages. As a GH, OoS, or MA emissary, you should stop at every shipwreck, kill every emergent captain, and do every bottle quest, for instance. Add on top of that the rebalancing, it might be best for everyone to research new ways to get grade up fast. For instance, as a GH, maybe it's beneficial to try regular voyages, as riddle and quest completion gives grade? Maybe it's best to do Devil's Roar?
And let's not do regular Athena voyages and cursed chest voyages and expect to get much Athena rep!
Excuse me, prior to S11 sea forts were absolutely s tier for leveling the original three trading companies.
Rare is just lazy or vastly underestimated the visual appeal of seeing a vault full of loot.
They have low to mid value og treasure for each company they could use to stuff the vaults of these raid voyages.
Give some new treasure and some old treasure and a new high value item.
We like treasure!
Literally all Rare had to do was replace the mixed treasure with company specific treasure keeping the quantity the same or slightly more than before and everyone would be so happy with S11.
@jumpycobra80754
Diving is easier and lower risk, so diving to a sea fort gives low reward. It is one of the first raid voyages you unlock, takes 10 minutes, and has almost no risk. If you don't like the loot you're getting, sail to them like you always have.I don't see how 20k of mixed loot per fort was "S tier". Have you ever completed a Devil's Roar voyage? Or done either fleet world event? Sea forts have always been more of a supply stop for me.
@haltzo5045 said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
@lem0n-curry I did 1 dive for OOS and got 5 items total, 1 being worth 30K and OOS specific special item, but i only made 40k as opposed to 100-120k before S10 because it only got me to grade 2 instead of grade 5. Its really discouraging. I then proceeded to do oos voyages without diving to see if i would get more loot, but nope. Took me 7 voyages to get to grade 5 (about 3h) to make 100k gold. This change is absolutely disgusting and not rewarding at all. I really don't understand how they could say it's "a lot more rewarding in Season 11" , as it stands it's exactly the opposite.
So, the value of the new loot is fine but the value for the flag is way too low ?
@grumpyw01f said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
@jumpycobra80754
Diving is easier and lower risk, so diving to a sea fort gives low reward. It is one of the first raid voyages you unlock, takes 10 minutes, and has almost no risk. If you don't like the loot you're getting, sail to them like you always have.I don't see how 20k of mixed loot per fort was "S tier". Have you ever completed a Devil's Roar voyage? Or done either fleet world event? Sea forts have always been more of a supply stop for me.
Diving doesn’t reduce risk it reduces the time spent sailing to the activity.
It’s this mindset that hurts s11 reception.
We release a new feature but really we don’t want you using it.
How stupid is that?
All these people practically going on strike because they don't get given as many imaginary treasure pieces as they did before in a video game. It's quite insane to watch. Does anyone play games to just have fun playing the game anymore? Or is everyone just doing everything as a second job now?
I guess this is what happens when you tailor the game to people who don't actually want to play that type of game.
@jumpycobra80754
Diving does reduce risk, for world events. While your sailing to the event, others could be too. Reducing that sailing time reduces the amount of time the cloud is up, and therefore reduces the chances of someone sailing to you. Also, when you dive to a world event, there is a 100% chance that you are alone at that event at the start. If you sail to one, you don't get that guarantee.
This is the philosophy for the raid voyages, which admittedly is a bad philosophy for the non-cloud raid voyages. The problem is that the sea forts and treasuries are unlocked really early in level progression and aren't meant for more veteran players like you or I. Therefore, dive-to-sea fort loot is not a good piece of evidence that loot has been nerfed. It doesn't jive with the "faster to get to" idea, but sea forts were never hard to get to anyway.World event voyages allow you to trade away non-company loot for your time and better company loot. A great addition for keeping things fresh.
@grumpyw01f said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
@jumpycobra80754
Diving does reduce risk, for world events. While your sailing to the event, others could be too. Reducing that sailing time reduces the amount of time the cloud is up, and therefore reduces the chances of someone sailing to you. Also, when you dive to a world event, there is a 100% chance that you are alone at that event at the start. If you sail to one, you don't get that guarantee.
This is the philosophy for the raid voyages, which admittedly is a bad philosophy for the non-cloud raid voyages. The problem is that the sea forts and treasuries are unlocked really early in level progression and aren't meant for more veteran players like you or I. Therefore, dive-to-sea fort loot is not a good piece of evidence that loot has been nerfed. It doesn't jive with the "faster to get to" idea, but sea forts were never hard to get to anyway.World event voyages allow you to trade away non-company loot for your time and better company loot. A great addition for keeping things fresh
Diving does not reduce risk at all.
Diving is a QoL feature to speed up gameplay.
If you think world events and other activities have been nerfed to hard and can now be completed so fast that you don’t have enough time to organically find targets then say that but please don’t say that diving reduces the risk because it doesn’t.
Crews are still very much vulnerable when doing world events and other activities and when sailing around the map with treasure.
This is a pirate game about treasure and they reduced the treasure for no good reason.
It’s like commodities 2.0 but without the fun beginning.
@jumpycobra80754
Don't put words in my mouth.You read what I wrote and then just said "diving doesn't reduce risk" again without any counterpoints. You have no argument there other than trying to muddy what I said.
Of course you are at risk when diving to a world event, but I already made clear the differences which makes things a little safer: 1) no one there to begin with and 2) less world event active time. You restating that there is risk once you're there does not change that. World events have not been nerfed, in fact it's actually going to be easier to find targets now.Here's what the lead designer had to say about the on-demand world events, make sure to read his second reply too:
It's not that much less company-specific loot compared to a regular skeleton fort. Though, I agree, after so long with many loot items, it does seem empty. Maybe they could add gold coin piles in there?
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@softwarengineer
Well, as it stands Athena isn't worth doing in general 🤷♂️If you do it efficiently...like 3 veil voyages in a row, getting 3 emissary voyages that way...once I had all 3 chests and kegs from the 2nd chapter of the emissary voyages on one island at the same time
Just going through the patch notes...so emissary voyage gets deleted, when lowering...well, then thatdoesn't work anymore this way...
@mrat13 Normal voyages have definately been touched even without diving. It went from 4 OOS ghost fleet voyages, grade 5 emissary and 200k gold (1h30+-) to 7-8 OOS ghost fleet voyages to get grade 5 and 100k gold (3h).. it takes longer to get to grade 5 and if you eventually get there you get paid less because there's so much less loot. It sucks.
@haltzo5045 Yeah, I was looking round the forums and I have been proven wrong. What's worse is I read something about spawn at the lost shipment shipwreck when you dive. Like, what's the point without the key? Do we now spawn at Gold Hoarder vaults too, without the key to get in?
@lem0n-curry Yes. Also you get alot less pieces of loot per voyage, which means the grand total of the gold made is alot less.. after 4OOS voyages in Season 10 i had 5-6 storage crate of the damned(sellable) and +-15 skulls of the damned and 4 captain skulls of the damned. So about 6 chests and 20 skulls. Yesterday after 7 voyages i had about 20-25 skulls and no chests.
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@haltzo5045 Yeah, I was looking round the forums and I have been proven wrong. What's worse is I read something about spawn at the lost shipment shipwreck when you dive. Like, what's the point without the key? Do we now spawn at Gold Hoarder vaults too, without the key to get in?
Yeah we were doing these last night and they were just miserable. Even if you don’t dive, the destination island seems to always be right there when you take the voyage and you’ll practically trip over the wreck. Then, if you want to find the key you follow the clues in reverse order. It felt utterly pointless. We gave up after the second one and went looking for world events.
@yoshometsu said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
Ahoy!
So I'm in the early stages of testing out the new update. I figured I'd try an Athena Sea fort raid.
Gotta admit, super underwhelming. I understand balancing, but now that Athena can go to 100(x5) you guys can do better than 3 pieces of loot.
Minimum 10 pieces of treasure, even if they are low value is better.
No harm tossing in some miscellaneous treasure opposed to NO additional treasure either.
After looking through the form briefly it seems most voyages and loot has been significantly reduced.
As someone who WAS max level this is super discouraging, and I hope Rare addresses this quickly.
Being short on time an Athena sea fort was the first thing I did.
I looked through all the cupboards and cabinets for nothing but gold sacks and the bonus store room didn't gave an loot in it at all.
These raid voyages are the cheapest thing I've ever seen. Zero risk to dive to one, zero risk of losing much but you can do them on repeat and just check off commendations that used to be hard won. Not to mention it creates a space to master a world event without doing the real world event.3 days ago I was able to hop on solo, do a sea fort, a skelly fleet, hit reaper five, sell and make 200k plus gold and a grip of. Dubloons and sign off in an hour to an hour and a half.
Now. I can hop on. Do both of those events in 20 minutes and make hardly anything.
If I have to grind like in the old days I'm gonna find a different game.@rahn82 said in Loot nerfed into the ground?:
These raid voyages are the cheapest thing I've ever seen. Zero risk to dive to one, zero risk of losing much but you can do them on repeat and just check off commendations that used to be hard won.
Oh man… how exciting. I don’t know if I can handle that much fun back to back. Hold on, let me find my excited face quick.
@yoshometsu Well, all the point of Raid Voyage is ye getting loot only for that specific Trading Company. Therefore, I don't think it would be implemented. However, I believe that with each Distinction ye should get more treasure from Raid Voyages. Since, lvl 75 is not even a 1/5 of max lvl. Therefore, to get more loot, we need to get more lvls.
Me and a friend have been playing a bit into S11,
so far we both agree that the lesser loot feels bad, all the work doesent feel rewarding when you open a captains cabin / gold vault and see lesser loot and sometimes bad loot for that matter.
Also it feels like we are earning less for something that used to go for 1k now goes for 500g or something, I have tried googling but I dont find any information if they have lowered the gold value on chest, crates and so on. Anyone that can confirm this?
@salty1073
For most stuff they raised the price / item as far as i know, the new loot is worth the most. But they give you like 15 to 20 pieces of loot LESS than in Season 10, so the grand total after selling went down significantly. Also leveling the emissary flag to grade 5 is a pain in the ... now with some voyages.@grumpyw01f I always stopped at every shipwreck and killed everything along my way and i made significantly less gold in the last 2 days than i did before. As it stands if you're not doing any of the world events or skelly captains, you get 50% of the loot for double the amount of time it takes to get your flag to grade 5 as opposed to in Season 10, it feels very tedious.
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@schwammlgott
Not anymore, you don't get grade 5 anymore from doing LoTV , and you get alot less than before, in season 10 it was easy to level yes. But those days are gone.So now tested it...without any meg, skellie ship or any emergent captain added we got easy to grade V
One veil voyage and one emissary we went from 30 to 32 and 3 quartersI don’t see anything nerfed here
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