@therealdecoy-tm
Reaper emissary serves as the endgame for most players.
If you take away the reaper event, you end up with another event which will be the same as every other event and alienate the endgame players like me and my friends.
My friends have been enjoying being back in the game and seeing all the red flags fly.
We don't even talk in game because discord is way stealthier.
Fly an emissary and you risk your flag that is the rules. That doesn't make hostile ships toxic.
If you don't want to risk getting sunk, don't run any emissary flags. That should lower your chances of running into a reaper.
Bottom line, anyone can be a reaper and anyone can be toxic. This event isn't exclusively as you have described, you are just cherrypicking.
I think it's fine personally, I haven't seen a change...
No communication when attacked
I'd rather not say anything when attacking people, I don't want them to get the wrong idea I'm attempting to trash talk or anything. Most I might say is a simple GG or "Well Played!" after the attack. Short 'n simple.
no banter between captains.
I've never had captains, or met anyone who has captains so that's a nope for my experience.
@therealdecoy-tm people we sunk earlier asked why we sank them, they said they had no loot and that was correct. But they did have an OoS flag. we said "We want your flag, sorry". the response we got was a resigned "forgot about that".
This event is core to the game as you can get. It forces interaction.
Sailed with a good LFG galleon crew today. After reaching level 5 GH emmisary from taking on a skeleton fleet, a couple of free-ranging skeleton ships, and a few megs, we switched to a RB emmisary and went after another galleon. The other crew didn't even fight back. They begged and pleaded and tried to use their speaking trumpet - but it fell on deaf ears; we wanted their emmisary flag. As they sank and were left adrift, we realized that they were doing a TT. 1 of my crewmates apologized to them, thanked them for their flag, and promised that we would not attack them again if we should cross paths again.
So is it bad for the community? I certainly don't think so.
Eh. I'm certainly not thrilled about the event. It makes it rather unenjoyable to do anything other than Reaper's Bones at the moment, because attempting to run Emissary for anyone else means the server's resident Reaper ship is absolutely going to come pay a visit. If I were already set up and had a full team going, that wouldn't be a big deal, but typically it's just me and my buddy sailing a sloop. It's pretty difficult to get set up without avoiding Emissary as well, since Reaper ships have all just made a bee-line since the event started. I dislike that I'm obliged to sit out content because an event has raised the risk of engaging in that content so dramatically that it's impractical to do it. For my group of folks, at least, it's been a very not-fun experience, and I'm inclined just to sit out the game until it's over (or until some kind of solution is issued, which I'm not holding my breath for). I don't mind Reaper's Bones, but I do kinda agree that the event is escalating Reaper's Bones from tolerable to obnoxious.
Can't say I really agree with the banter stuff tho. I've never really experienced banter in SoT. When other teams communicate, it's usually just to troll.
@puffypony said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
Eh. I'm certainly not thrilled about the event. It makes it rather unenjoyable to do anything other than Reaper's Bones at the moment, because attempting to run Emissary for anyone else means the server's resident Reaper ship is absolutely going to come pay a visit. If I were already set up and had a full team going, that wouldn't be a big deal, but typically it's just me and my buddy sailing a sloop. It's pretty difficult to get set up without avoiding Emissary as well, since Reaper ships have all just made a bee-line since the event started. I dislike that I'm obliged to sit out content because an event has raised the risk of engaging in that content so dramatically that it's impractical to do it. For my group of folks, at least, it's been a very not-fun experience, and I'm inclined just to sit out the game until it's over (or until some kind of solution is issued, which I'm not holding my breath for). I don't mind Reaper's Bones, but I do kinda agree that the event is escalating Reaper's Bones from tolerable to obnoxious.
Can't say I really agree with the banter stuff tho. I've never really experienced banter in SoT. When other teams communicate, it's usually just to troll.
I have a question on this actually. No offense but your post doesn't make any sense.
So you are saying you are going to fly Reapers instead of your flag of choice because there will be Reapers on the seas to combat the Reapers that will eventually come after you if they see your or get to Grade 5.
My question is this. If you are gearing for the fight and are actually going to defend yourself. Then what does it matter what flag you fly?? If you fly Reapers they know where you are instantly. If you fly any other emissary then you might have some leeway in staying off radar for a bit.
Just wondering.
Also this next bit might sound harsh, but how does not being able to fly a emissary stop you from actually completing quests?? The emissary just gives you a bonus at turn in, its not mandatory. You can do everything you want without the flag. Risk and Reward, personal choice.
Also some advice for you and whoever you play with. This goes for OP also @therealdecoy-tm .
Most initial engagement with any PvP will entail some trash talking. Its just competitive banter that you would hear from friends playing Madden with each other or Halo or whatever. Its how you reply that is most important.
You'd be surprised how often PvP'ers are on the receiving end of what you call toxic even when we don't say anything. PvP'ers hear stuff on the mics all the time "Why are you attacking me? Living in your moms basement. Get your jollies off greifing normal people minding their own business because this is the only way you can feel good about yourself?"
That is some of the lighter stuff. It goes into full blown slurs of every color. Racial, etc etc.
In our community "hey man, why you got to be such a noob and die??" is normal communication for us. Its not toxic, its not bad. Thats how we communicate. Like brothers who dog on each other but you know they care.
Give out a GG, try to have fun with the attack. When you make it personal or try to tell them that their way of playing is evil or bad, or they somehow inconvenienced you, they'll just sink you and push your buttons.
Example :
There was a brig I was chasing in a sloop. Grade 5 Athena, did a theives haven run. Chased this thing for a LONG time. Finally sank it. Killed the enemy. They talked major trash about me greifing PvE Players. Before I caught them I started to taunt them because they were just being so mad on the mic when I didn't even say anything at first. They started it.
After getting them REALLY mad, they made a mistake and I caught them and sank them.
However, 1 member on that crew was relatively new to the game. He swam up and said "GG guys, we sank and that sucks but you caught us. Sorry about my mates and how they were acting." - Told him why would they act that way and get mad being attacked?? - He replied with "Yeah they complain a lot of being attacked in this game but I got no problems with it, its part of the game. Probably my fault they sank though, I'm still learning the game."
I liked his attitude so I told him "well if they are still on the server let them know I'll let them keep the loot. I just wanted all the athena stuff and the flag. At least this way they get like 90% of their stuff." - He said they got off and left, so I told him I'll go ahead and separate it, put his stuff in a row boat and he can sell it.
Out of like maybe 50peices of loot there was only 6 peices of athena and the flag.
That happens a lot with us and other PvP'ers.
Another time we came up on a sloop and they were freaking out, when we killed them they just sighed into the mic and said something like "Well guys, we lost. GG though maybe next time." - They talked with us and had fun. At that time I just wanted their flag so I made a suggestion.
I suggested since I really ONLY wanted their flag, I would let them sell their loot. They asked how would they be able to do that since they knew I wouldn't let them anywhere near an outpost with the ship.
I told them that I would sail their boat with our ship trailing with a harpoon attached. We would load everything into a rowboat and they could sale at the outpost while we waited out in sea to sink their boat.
They said that would work, so we sailed over to plunder. Made sure to stay out of range of the outpost good and far. About half way from the outpost and the fort. They loaded the loot up and we waited on their boat. I anchored them, knocked down their mast and waited. They eventually came back, said thanks, we sank them and took their flag.
PvP'ers have a language. Its a trash talking language. It means nothing, just competitive banter. Like Muhammed Ali in his interviews, its part of the pizzaz. If you take it personally we are going to make it personal.
If you have fun with it and just give out the GG then who knows.
Just don't forget that PvE'ers are just as bad on mics to PvP'ers even when we didn't say anything.
Shoot a cannon "EFF YOU MOTHER EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE, GO DIE YOU BLAH BLAH BLAH PVPERS ARE THE REASON NO ONE LIKES TO PLAY THIS GAME BLAH BLAH BLAH"
Think about the worst encounter you have ever gotten and just realize that it happens to us ALL the time.
@therealdecoy-tm said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
The Reaper event has turned the already somewhat toxic Sea of Thieves into a Cesspool of Thieves. No communication when attacked, no banter between captains. Just taken to 11 on hostility and toxicity on the mic.
Hi,
Yes, the chaos is fantastic isn't it. They are doing a great job of continuing what the game set out to be eh. Sadly for you, the game doesn't mandate the need to "communicate" attacks or foster "banter" between anyone. :)
Don't take it personally (well you can if you like, but it won't get you anywhere) and just get out there and enact revenge.
Cheers
I believe its a good thing, and me and my crew welcome any pvp we can get. We like to get things done like quests and the like but without any other human interaction that tests or sailing, cannon shooting or tactical decisions we feel it wouldn't be a game we would play for long, but at the time of writing this I can see us on the seas for a long time to come.
I've been running a reaper emissary with my brig crew for the last few sessions, we have had much success sinking and handing in broken emissary flags, the best was a 2 sloop and Brigg alliance all trying to get us, they sunk us unfortunately but we send 1 member of our crew to return our ship to our location and my mate and I sank the 2 sloops by boarding crashing into a rock island and camping till they sank. By the time our Brigg came back we were on the enemy's Brigg dropped anchor killed, got to our boat and smashed it. We ended up re posting our reaper emissary and continued on our Reaping.
We have had many a good msg from the alliance crew, ggs bro that was fun as, awesome stuff etc. Much positive.
Then last night we had ships run, ships skuttle ships sank, lots of negative messages how we are playing the game toxic etc. We never msgd or voiced anything, untill we received negative messages. We just reminded that this Is Sea of Thieves. And we don't care about your loot we just want your emissary Flag. We are playing the game the way it is intended.
Tonight however, we are going to be sneaky about our way of the Reaping. We're just going to pose as humble gold hoarders, stack some vaults and hunt other emissarys. Without the big red reaper showing on the map, hopefully without other ships running or skuttling or racing to drop their flags. We will wait till we have a good stash of flags, post reapers, level to grade 5 and sell.... Hope it works!
@donny-b3ast said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
I believe its a good thing, and me and my crew welcome any pvp we can get. We like to get things done like quests and the like but without any other human interaction that tests or sailing, cannon shooting or tactical decisions we feel it wouldn't be a game we would play for long, but at the time of writing this I can see us on the seas for a long time to come.
I've been running a reaper emissary with my brig crew for the last few sessions, we have had much success sinking and handing in broken emissary flags, the best was a 2 sloop and Brigg alliance all trying to get us, they sunk us unfortunately but we send 1 member of our crew to return our ship to our location and my mate and I sank the 2 sloops by boarding crashing into a rock island and camping till they sank. By the time our Brigg came back we were on the enemy's Brigg dropped anchor killed, got to our boat and smashed it. We ended up re posting our reaper emissary and continued on our Reaping.
We have had many a good msg from the alliance crew, ggs bro that was fun as, awesome stuff etc. Much positive.
Then last night we had ships run, ships skuttle ships sank, lots of negative messages how we are playing the game toxic etc. We never msgd or voiced anything, untill we received negative messages. We just reminded that this Is Sea of Thieves. And we don't care about your loot we just want your emissary Flag. We are playing the game the way it is intended.
Tonight however, we are going to be sneaky about our way of the Reaping. We're just going to pose as humble gold hoarders, stack some vaults and hunt other emissarys. Without the big red reaper showing on the map, hopefully without other ships running or skuttling or racing to drop their flags. We will wait till we have a good stash of flags, post reapers, level to grade 5 and sell.... Hope it works!
Hi,
Good job! Good to hear stories like that. Goes to show, that this is really about "attitude" and how people cope with losing. The first messages you get are all "gg bro" - they accepted their loss sportingly. The others were salty with poor attitudes towards the realities of the game and simply do not like "losing" because they relate this virtual experience to the realities of their inferiority (which we all have, just in different ways).
All of my interactions have been positive while online. If I get jumped - that's my fault and mine alone. I haven't played in a week or so as I have been very busy, but will be back on it soon and also enjoy the threat of other players - all of which I have encountered were just playing the game as intended and have never been salty about losing.
Happy pirating.
Cheers
@alphawolf123905 said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
I have 1 lvl of reaper rep so what exactly do you sell to them
Everything! Emmisary flags and Reaper's chests/bounties are what they REALLY want though. 😉
There's a catch, however - as a RB Emmisary, every other ship can see you on their map table, which means no hiding; they can see you coming from a mile away. Also, to get your gold bonus, you have to turn in at the RB Hideout. This also means that other ships can set a trap in waiting for you.
The good news is that if you reach RB Emmisary lvl. 5, you get to see every other company Emmisary ship on your map table.
Good luck! 👍
Bad for the Community?? This is fantastic for the Community. Events like this helps engage more fighting and more people doing things as an emissary .
And what do you mean no communication when attacked or no captain banter lol. There does not need to be ANY communication what so ever when attacking ships. You don't need to explain to anybody at any time what anyone's intentions are lol
If your hot mics are as Toxic as you say they are, then go to Other Crews and MUTE their voice chat, and then you don't need to worry about listening to anyone.
@mrbadabing I'm absolutely rubbish at ship on ship combat but I think I could learn. I mean after all, I learned how to fish today, why cant I learn how to fight
@xultanis-dragon said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
I have a question on this actually. No offense but your post doesn't make any sense.
So you are saying you are going to fly Reapers instead of your flag of choice because there will be Reapers on the seas to combat the Reapers that will eventually come after you if they see your or get to Grade 5.
No, I didn't say this. I don't think you really understood what I'm saying. I'm not running Reaper's instead of another Emissary because of this event, at least no more so than I normally would. I'm not running Reaper's over GH or Souls or MA when I wouldn't normally. I do enjoy Reaper's content, but I don't always want to do it, either. I do actually enjoy playing other companies.
What I stated is that, in the instances since the event started during which I want to run non-Reapers content, I've felt as though I can't really run an Emissary flag because the heightened reward for Reapers makes it very difficult to actually get any kind of tenable Emissary rewards going, and instead, Emissary has become more of a liability than anything. You pop a level 1 flag, within 5-10 minutes there's a Reaper ship on top of you. If Reaper ships were waiting until I was level 4 or 5 Emissary with another company, that wouldn't really be a big deal because I at least get some time to accrue Emissary before I'm pulled out of my grind for some PvP, which I think is fair since that time spent in PvP does weight against the accelerated progression. That's how it is normally, and I think that's fair since Reaper's essentially acts as a check against other Emissaries balling out of control.
Also this next bit might sound harsh, but how does not being able to fly a emissary stop you from actually completing quests?? The emissary just gives you a bonus at turn in, its not mandatory. You can do everything you want without the flag. Risk and Reward, personal choice.
I didn't say it prevented me from completing quests. I said it made it impractical to run Emissary for non-Reaper companies right now, especially given that I'm typically two-manning in a sloop. Normally Reaper's isn't a big deal, because there aren't as many of them and because they often wait until you're level 3+ Emissary before coming to try to take your flag, if they even attempt it at all. Since the event started, there have been more Reaper ships, and they have been more readily chasing down people with level 1/2 Emissary Flags. As I said in my first post, the risk side of the risk/reward ratio right now is so much higher than normal than it's highly unenjoyable and often impractical to engage in Emissary right now. Unfortunately, though, because of the way progression scales, it's very slow to try to accrue company progress without running Emissary, meaning my progression, at least until the event ends, is going to be very slow.
Yes, I'm aware that I can forgo Emissary/whatever to avoid being hunted by Reaper ships. That doesn't really change my point, though, that normally the risk/reward of running Emissary is worthwhile, and currently because of the way the event is incentivizing Reaper ships, it isn't. Thus, I'm encouraged to not take Emissary, which means I'm going to hit a huge slowdown on progression for the duration of the event unless I can find servers without a Reaper ship already established (and even that's not always a guarantee), which is not a very enjoyable experience. I dislike involuntary events that cause such halting changes in progression.
For example, just yesterday, I loaded into a server to do some Souls grinding. When I loaded in, I happened to see a Reaper ship chasing a GH Emissary into Devil's Roar, so I figure that my buddy and I can head to Shores of Plenty and pick up Emissary for Souls, get rank 2 or maybe 3 if we could be quick, then drop Emissary and start over again to avoid being too enticing a target for the Reaper ship. Problem is, we didn't even get a chance to get that far. We had literally only just picked up Emissary and started a voyage when the Reaper ship turned around (I assume it either sunk the GH ship or they lowered flag) and made a beeline for us. Because nearly-identical situations had happened several times already since the event started, I had the wherewithal to take us back to Outpost, drop Emissary, and go finish the quest. We hadn't even reached rank 2 Emissary.
I'd like to say that was a one-and-done, but if it were, I wouldn't be expressing my frustration here. Like I said, normally Reaper's isn't a big deal. I think it was, generally, a good addition to the game, but I do strongly believe it's possible to have too much of a "good thing" to turn it into a bad thing. That's where we're at with Reaper's during this event. To be fair, I have run Reaper's a couple times since the event started, and it was perfectly fine and enjoyable. Can't say the same about Souls, GH, or MA.
And yeah, only tangentially related, but like I said, can't really comment on the banter thing. In my experience, people just don't communicate that much, and in the rare instances they do, it's more to troll/trash talk than actually be communicative... but that's pretty normal for online gaming, and I've really seen no change in that facet of the game since the event started.
@therealdecoy-tm this reapers event was pointless imo, I still get attacked by non reapers far more than I do by reapers.
The whole issue with the reapers is that nothing stops the player from not using a reaper flag to pvp, in fact it's smarter to attack without a repaer flag because you have a slightly greater element of suprise.
@gallerine5582 said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
I think it's fine personally, I haven't seen a change...
No communication when attacked
I'd rather not say anything when attacking people, I don't want them to get the wrong idea I'm attempting to trash talk or anything. Most I might say is a simple GG or "Well Played!" after the attack. Short 'n simple.
no banter between captains.
I've never had captains, or met anyone who has captains so that's a nope for my experience.
Frankly I'd kinda prefer that to those I have seen over the last few days. I'd happily be sunk by someone who attacks me over someone who will whilst shouting things like "Yo, why you shooting us bro? Ah, I feel bad sorry. Oof, I just gunned them down, awkward. Hey guy, sorry about that... I really feel bad about it. We're friendly"... You know, the kind of tone you'd expect from the Arena mode
When I read about the event first I was already afraid that it would turn out like this. We as Sailors have to organise ourselves against this new threat. I want to start the Navy of the Sea of Thieves. I ride around with the merchant ship haul and white sails telling People I run into that they can join my alliance as freeboaters and if they get attacked by filthy reapers they should find our Ship on their Map and drag the Reaper ship towards us. We will help. And I want to ask all of my fellow Legends who agree with this post to do as we do. Put up the signature colours of the Navy (white and Blue) and assist Players in their fights against the reapers.
I hope that we can bring freedom, justice and security to our new Empire.
@galactic-geek Me and my autistic friend had something similar a few weeks ago. Were doing the fishing event, no emmisary, nothing collected from barrels and yet we get chased all across the session by the same brigantine crew just because they could do it
They didn't even take our supplies which they were saying over the mic that is why they were attacking us... They were literally attacking and spawn camping us just for the sake of it
@gobbelgobbel said in The Reaper event is bad for the community.:
When I read about the event first I was already afraid that it would turn out like this. We as Sailors have to organise ourselves against this new threat. I want to start the Navy of the Sea of Thieves. I ride around with the merchant ship haul and white sails telling People I run into that they can join my alliance as freeboaters and if they get attacked by filthy reapers they should find our Ship on their Map and drag the Reaper ship towards us. We will help. And I want to ask all of my fellow Legends who agree with this post to do as we do. Put up the signature colours of the Navy (white and Blue) and assist Players in their fights against the reapers.
I hope that we can bring freedom, justice and security to our new Empire.
I second this
@discord-96 The problem with spawn-camping for the sake of ruining the fun of others is that it's hard to prove - all they have to do is keep 1 hole in your hull and constantly bail to give them the excuse that they're waiting for you to sink, or simply take 1 banana in order to give them the excuse that they're stealing supplies.
It's really kind of stupid...
Still - if you're that far gone, you probably really have lost and it's time to scuttle and/or switch servers.
@galactic-geek That is exactly what they did. We had to pair up with a galleon crew just to try and recover some enjoyment out the session by catching some Battlegills at a fort but the brig pelted us with holes, kept one open and just let us constantly sink without sinking just so we wouldn't respawn at an island
It also doesn't help when you get multiple recordings of them and their language, file a report only to then be told there isn't enough evidence so we should just carry on as normal
