A bit worried about cross play opt out

@ferus-lux I beg to differ - my PC is hardly top end, if anything, EVERYONE has an advantage over me, as it lags around islands, big game events and if too many players are too close, frustrating as all heck - I don't get mad at people for playing with what they can afford, I learned new ways of winning - segregating isn't the answer.

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade the system performance instead of remaining equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that, they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade to the system performance instead or remain equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

It's really simple for me and the players I used to play SoT with.

We play games exclusively on xbox for several reasons.

1. Hardware is the same(close enough anyway in terms of gameplay). It's balanced.
2. Input device is the same or can be controlled reliably to a much greater extent than on PC. It's balanced.
3. Cheating on the xbox is not as easy, but easier to detect and not as common as on PC. It's more fair and fun.

We do not want to deal with the issues tied to PC gaming, which is why we bought an xbox, to be able to play in a more closed and controlled system. Forced cross play completely ruins this, which is why forced crossplay is a disaster.

Optional crossplay is just fine, but arguing that xbox players should be forced to play with PC players is BS.

@cotu42 "It is hereby decreed, all gamers must downgrade to the lowest end pc, whereby, we can all lag equally."

And correct me if i'm wrong, don't Xbox players need to buy a pass to play online? (May just be ignorance, I ended the console career years ago, still have the PS2 though!) I can't justify all the extra charges for one game, the only other game I played was Red Dead 2, until my brother sold it, and on a different console no less - at least with a pc we can usually have a shot at most titles, do work, school stuff, photoshop - luckily, this pc I managed to wrangle has decent specs, something better would be wonderful, alas, my experience is set to be 'cursed', haha.

@joe-gallows said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

We play on xbox exclusively for several reasons.

1. Hardware is the same(close enough anyway in terms of gameplay). It's balanced.
2. Input device is the same or can be controlled reliably to a much greater extent than on PC. It's balanced.
3. Cheating on the xbox is not as easy, but easier to detect and not as common as on PC. It's more fair and fun.

1. Yet hardware can be optimized, an SSD drive guarantees improved loading times even on Xbox.
2. You can still use mouse and keyboard. Even after opt-out, there are plenty of options to get your console into thinking that you are using a normal gamepad even if you're not.
3. Cheating is not easier to detect since the servers are literally the same, therefore requiring the anti-cheat software to be the same for both platforms.

@l4chsfps said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@joe-gallows said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

We play on xbox exclusively for several reasons.

1. Hardware is the same(close enough anyway in terms of gameplay). It's balanced.
2. Input device is the same or can be controlled reliably to a much greater extent than on PC. It's balanced.
3. Cheating on the xbox is not as easy, but easier to detect and not as common as on PC. It's more fair and fun.

1. Yet hardware can be optimized, an SSD drive guarantees improved loading times even on Xbox.
2. You can still use mouse and keyboard. Even after opt-out, there are plenty of options to get your console into thinking that you are using a normal gamepad even if you're not.
3. Cheating is not easier to detect since the servers are literally the same, therefore requiring the anti-cheat software to be the same for both platforms.

1. SSD's do nothing for a gunfigt.

2. Those devices still use controller input and translates it to a mouse. It is not the same as using a mouse and it is still easier to detect on the xbox.

3. Cheating is easier on PC. There is no need to dance around this. Look at RDR2 on pc vs xbox. There are many cheats for SoT on PC that do not work on the xbox, not to mention actual installable cheats.

But in the end it all boils down to

Optional crossplay is fine.

Forced crossplay is BS.

@joe-gallows said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade to the system performance instead or remain equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

It's really simple for me and the players I used to play SoT with.

We play on xbox exclusively for several reasons.

1. Hardware is the same. It's balanced.

No it is not, I have buddies with xbox latest model and external SSD. They have quicker loading times because of it.

Next winter the Scarlett is coming out with 4x the power, internal SSD and according to xbox lead developer will have a minimum of 60 FPS in games up to 120 FPS.

Xbox one OG is slower than the X.

The parts are not the same, the option to upgrade is there and will provide advantages. In no way is a xbox environment identical.

2. Input device is the same or can be controlled reliably to a much greater extent than on PC. It's balanced.

Call of Duty can restrict PCs to controller only input. I do not see why a triple A game developer with Microsoft support which controls the operating system that is required to run the game would not be able to reliably control and check this.

3. Cheating on the xbox is not as easy, but easier to detect and not as common as on PC. It's more fair and fun.

I have never cheated in a multiplayer game. Cheating is against the rules and is uncommon on the seas. It is a permanent bannable offense. Why should all PC players be punished for that? As you state xbox can cheat, so... you should be denied access to the game or options?

We do not want to deal with the issues tied to PC gaming, which is why we bought an exbox, to be able to play in a more closed and controlled system. Forced cross play completely ruins this, which is why forced crossplay is a disaster.

Optional crossplay is just fine, but arguing that xbox players should be forced to play with PC players is BS.

You bought a crossplay title that was advertised as a No compromise crossplay designed game. According to the developers, Microsoft and even had a video on the xbox official YouTube channel.

If you want xbox only, then split it off from the controller setting. Allow xbox and PC players to decide, controller only and allow xbox users to decide separately if they would prefer also to have xbox only on top of the choice for controller. I would still be against this, but at least controller PC players would be able to play with xbox players that dont want to play against mouse and keyboard, but dont care about platform or you don't think xbox only on it's own merits would have enough support?

The whole point of controller only is because it is unbalanced and the advantages of a mouse and keyboard is to significant for Rare to balance it. Yet PC players do not get that same balanced game experience option even though we can use a controller. Shouldn't gameplay balance choices at least be given to us? Why must it be bundled into your xbox privileged status? Xbox players that use a mouse and keyboard are not allowed to seperate from the PC players... why would that be? Hardware or input device?

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@joe-gallows said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade to the system performance instead or remain equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

It's really simple for me and the players I used to play SoT with.

We play on xbox exclusively for several reasons.

1. Hardware is the same. It's balanced.

No it is not, I have buddies with xbox latest model and external SSD. They have quicker loading times because of it.

Next winter the Scarlett is coming out with 4x the power, internal SSD and according to xbox lead developer will have a minimum of 60 FPS in games up to 120 FPS.

Xbox one OG is slower than the X.

The parts are not the same, the option to upgrade is there and will provide advantages. In no way is a xbox environment identical.

2. Input device is the same or can be controlled reliably to a much greater extent than on PC. It's balanced.

Call of Duty can restrict PCs to controller only input. I do not see why a triple A game developer with Microsoft support which controls the operating system that is required to run the game would not be able to reliably control and check this.

3. Cheating on the xbox is not as easy, but easier to detect and not as common as on PC. It's more fair and fun.

I have never cheated in a multiplayer game. Cheating is against the rules and is uncommon on the seas. It is a permanent bannable offense. Why should all PC players be punished for that? As you state xbox can cheat, so... you should be denied access to the game or options?

We do not want to deal with the issues tied to PC gaming, which is why we bought an exbox, to be able to play in a more closed and controlled system. Forced cross play completely ruins this, which is why forced crossplay is a disaster.

Optional crossplay is just fine, but arguing that xbox players should be forced to play with PC players is BS.

You bought a crossplay title that was advertised as a No compromise crossplay designed game. According to the developers, Microsoft and even had a video on the xbox official YouTube channel.

If you want xbox only, then split it off from the controller setting. Allow xbox and PC players to decide, controller only and allow xbox users to decide separately if they would prefer also to have xbox only on top of the choice for controller. I would still be against this, but at least controller PC players would be able to play with xbox players that dont want to play against mouse and keyboard, but dont care about platform or you don't think xbox only on it's own merits would have enough support?

The whole point of controller only is because it is unbalanced and the advantages of a mouse and keyboard is to significant for Rare to balance it. Yet PC players do not get that same balanced game experience option even though we can use a controller. Shouldn't gameplay balance choices at least be given to us? Why must it be bundled into your xbox privileged status? Xbox players that use a mouse and keyboard are not allowed to seperate from the PC players... why would that be? Hardware or input device?

I bought an xbox. I do not care about whatevet issues pc players have. I bought the xbox so I did not have to deal with that. On xbox you can use hardware that translates mouse input to controller input - it does not work that well. On pc you'd be able to simply cheat your way around this.

Optional crossplay is fine. Forced crossplay is not. They can do it by input device as well, but I do not want to play with PC players. You have not cheated in a game and that means absolutely nothing when fact is that cheating is worse on PC than xbox.

Xbox priviledged status 🤣

@stiltwit didn't Microsoft state that they are giving windows 10 users free online access to their xbox live community and environment?

I cannot help it if I am given something for free. Feel free to object to Microsoft for charging you for something that I get for free. I own a xbox 360 and paid the same subscription as you do for years... it is one of the reasons I didn't upgrade my console and decided to play on PC, invest my money there. I picked windows 10 over 7 because of Microsofts plans to expand live.

Microsoft is recruiting and expanding their xbox live gaming platform. They are changing, maybe you should push them to change their live subscription model on xbox as well. Additionally some PC players us the xbox ultimate pass, which comes with xbox gold I believe.

This whole “crossplay opt out” thing is fake news. First of all, it’s not an “opt out,” it’s a preference. In other words, if you enable the Xbox preference, it will attempt to put you with only Xbox players. But a lot of times it won’t be able to and you will still have to play with pc players. The only reason this “opt out” is being added to the game is so that they can say they have crossplay preferences. This will give the complainers one less thing to complain about. I can assure you, for everyone who plays on pc, as I do, this update will change nothing! In fact it won’t really change anything substantial if you are on Xbox! It will just give them the illusion that everything is different for people who are complaining.

@cotu42 But, I play PC? I was making the point that as a (low-end) PC gamer, I couldn't justify paying for a subscription on top of the cost of a new console that's quickly becoming obsolete, for one game? As so many comments seem to be insinuating, to buy an Xbox instead .xD I think you may need to re-read my comment, no offense intended!

@joe-gallows

Your xbox accepts mouse and keyboard control. It is officially supported and no longer some third party solutions only deal, so that cheat around it can apply to you just the same.

I stated at a minimum split it into two options, so that would give you still the choice and even expand it. Is that not good enough, aren't you all pro choice for the xbox community? Are you stating that xbox only wouldn't have enough support if it isn't linked to controller only?

That would just highlight how big of a mistake Rare is making, that this xbox privileged behavior does indeed not reflect the wishes of the xbox community.

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@joe-gallows

Your xbox accepts mouse and keyboard control. It is officially supported and no longer some third party solutions only deal, so that cheat around it can apply to you just the same.

I stated at a minimum split it into two options, so that would give you still the choice and even expand it. Is that not good enough, aren't you all pro choice for the xbox community? Are you stating that xbox only wouldn't have enough support if it isn't linked to controller only?

That would just highlight how big of a mistake Rare is making, that this xbox privileged behavior does indeed not reflect the wishes of the xbox community.

You cannot install programs the same way on xbox as you can on pc, which put a hard limit on what you can do. Plugging a mouse into the xbox making it believe it's a controller - not happening, but very easy on the pc through software.

Choice is fine.

Optional crossplay
And
Optional device filtering.

Then everyone can play with whom they like, but those of us who like consoles for the more controlled and balanced environment can have that.

I also think you confuse the voice of the xbox community as a whole with the voice of forum warriors.

@stiltwit sorry my man, I misread the statement about the monthly payment. It gets used as an argument why they need to be separated from the PC players.

Yes, xbox still needs a monthly subscription fee for online access. They didn't apply it to PC because by their own accord the PC players would not pay for it and expect better, so it wouldn't have the desired effect or be lucrative.

@cotu42 No offense taken, if anything, I need to start leading my replies with infinitely better care, haha.

The subscription thing, and dlc/microtransactions was what killed gaming for me, and I used to play avidly; Sea of Thieves was a pleasant surprise, despite the sudden surge of microtransactions, bah. (I still bought a parrot, SHAME.)

Pleading ignorance once again, but I don't understand why people need to pay for Broadband AND a subscription after they bought the game and console - it's madness! ...saying that, I dropped out of the race around the time multiplayer took off, though headshotting zombies in COD was a favourite.

After literally JUST investing into the game, I find out they're changing crossplay options, which was something I had admired about the setup, and i'm afraid that now i'll be getting my butt booted far less regularly, haha, hopefully, people will continue to play with us cheating, privileged low lifes.

@cotu42
What I find interesting within the PC gaming sphere, is hardware disparity is massive. Well beyond what is found in Xbox Land. Yet, no one within that sphere cares at all. Only at the peak of professional play do people actually start to talk about it. Within my entire Pc gaming career, I can confidently say that I never heard someone using hardware as an excuse on why they lost. Never did I hear that the only reason some guy lost was due to his opponent having a Razor Naga gaming mouse with 12 additional thumb buttons, his better framerate, an SSD, or the fact that his racer chair can recline a full 180 degrees. I mean people are chock full of excuses, but rarely is it ever focused on hardware disparity, where hardware disparity is at its highest.

Some of these pro-opt people act as if only they had those extra frames per second they would have survived the encounter, when in reality, the player just casually cannoned over uncontested, casually climbed ladder uncontested, essentially this long list of things they could have done prior but either ignored or didn't even notice. However in their mind the only reason was hardware.

This isn't directed to you, but if people want to argue til their blue in the face about advantages due to hardware, go for it. However, within the community that has dealt with this disparity since day one, no one cares, and they don't use it as an excuse.

@tak225 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@ssssuckbrickkid request rare sell the game on Steam problem solved

I've made multiple request to have Rare place the game on Steam to help the pc playerbase but that hasn't made any traction.

@tak225 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@troubled-cells final fantasy I have no experience with but I would guess that those are mostly co op and I ain't even familiar with the battle system in that game either

All assumptions on your behalf, regardless, the point remains, your initial statement along with its intent is incorrect.

Cheers.

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade the system performance instead of remaining equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that, they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

I am sorry for your loss, your ADVANTAGE loss. I won't be seeing you on the sea's most likely, and that's fine by me! BEST THING RARE DID YET.

@jjblackhat that moment of doubt when you said "most likely" 😂😂😂

@troubled-cells said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat that moment of doubt when you said "most likely" 😂😂😂

well it is 'prefer', not the ability to full enable opt out - etc. So you never know, it's still possible just less probable.

@clumsy-george

What I have to fear from xbox players? Actually a fair amount, especially when I play on my controller. I have not stated that Rare's concerns regarding input is invalid, I get it. I just don't get why PC players are not given the same choice?

My 3 year old 'super' computer doesn't make me a God and I have met xbox players that even defeated me while I used mouse and keyboard. Skill is a very varied attribute and I am more an RPG player than a shooter, usually a support, tank, heal player at that. So, no 360 no scope headshot shenanigans in my repertoire.

I play with my style and am very successful with it. Have soloed a ton and rarely placed myself in CQC because of it, unless I am in a brawl mood. The style lends itself to controller play perfectly and is why I at times just sit back, grab my 360 controller and play. When I do and end up in CQC I experience the same distinction between the two inputs. I am not immune because I have some more FPS or a SSD.

When xbox players start about the performance differences and how unfair it all is... sorry, but I have been gaming on budget PCs, laptops, second hand devices for years before I was able to buy this one. My previous one was 9 years old! 30 FPS used to be a dream, if I hit 20 FPS stable at lowest settings we were good to play. Played versus people with triple, quadruple the FPS and managed. Do you notice it, yes.. it is insurmountable or something you cannot get used to, no. Now I have a machine I love, I get told for one game to discard it, buy a xbox that isn't as good and pay a monthly fee... as if I just have money falling into my lap on the daily.

I was in South Africa last year for work, played on a pretty good laptop, 60ish FPS on medium settings, but with 200 ping Minimum. Really no matter my FPS... no fight was easy, some even felt impossible and man the ship even sometimes sailed below the waves.

People that act like real life restrictions are not a thing in the online multiplayer environment are kidding themselves. If a xbox player has better internet, they have an advantage, if a xbox player has a SSD they have an advantage, if they have an elite controller they have an advantage over their own community and even some PC. All those things cost money. Having a PC doesn't mean you have top performance out of the blue, if you have minimal spec requirements... you have a disadvantage even.

Rare should not make our platform a distinguishing factor in the options we are offered, especially not one that they stated themselves is about balance: controller vs mouse and keyboard.

As you state, we should have the choice and see how it turns out. For those xbox players that fear a surge of PC controller players in the option... really how many PC players do you think pick up a controller?

You are a nice guy, as I stated before. The xbox and PC player based has a huge variety of types of players. From those that just started out to veterans, from tryhard sweats to hippies that avoid conflict, toxic trolls, sneaky ninjas and pretty much anything else. For anyone that claims this is on a groups play style is absurd. The community has been painting PC players as boogiemen to be feared, that have ungodly powers and even here in this thread make claims of us being cheaters. Resulting in hardliners on the xbox end that out of no reasonable point refuse to play with PC. We aren't people anymore in their eyes, we are just the device that runs the game and that is what Rare decided to back.

The company that had the mantra of No asterisk crossplay, where PC or Xbox... all features would be looked at from the perspective why aren't we offering this to the other platform? I am curious about the answer, but my guess for this choice is greed. It is why we have no statements about it coming for PC in the future, that controller only servers will become for both. That PC controller preference has not be deemed unimportant, like it usually is. To small of a demographic, we ain't the money cows. This is the reality, money talks and the majority group defends these actions, because they got privileged status.

By default I believe it’s disabled. So all newbie players will be joining pc/Xbox lobbies. While the ones who know of the feature will switch between or stay with one.

Pc players will be fine.

@hothotpocketz61 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

I play on PC. Does this mean I'll never get to play with Xbox people again? I'm sure if people can they will always opt out. For every one PC player I find in lfg I get 10 Xbox. I think this game will get really boring for PC people soon.

Or am I understanding the opt out thing wrong?

The thing is, lets be honest, PC players have a slight advantage over xbox players. I play on xbox and crew up with a friend whos on PC.. I typically get wrecked by PC players in this game when I solo and its not a question of just "GiT gOoD" but its those little advantages the PC players have that frustrates me. I'll still play with my PC friend on mixed servers, but I will opt out when I play solo. I guess only time will tell if this new opt out will work or not..

@nabberwar I have used my hardware to blame a loss on, or my internet connection. I have even rage quit games because of it. I just never demanded that the game changes to give me special treatment because I didn't buy a better product. PC players will get angry at their PCs, we have amazing videos of people flipping out. Yet we understand that this is not something that developers should control and manage.

Pros care because they play for a living. Big Tournaments are held in Lan format where all players are supplied with a machine. Because it matters from connection speeds to FPS to monitor refresh rates.There are hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of prize money on the line.

If it mattered based on equal performances, where are the demands for external SSD bans from opt out or Ping restrictions? It is because it isn't about the difference it is about them being at the top of the performance tree potential, not middle of the pack. The fact it costs more... to be ignored, it is on PC players to buy something else, even if it isn't as good as what they have.

@jjblackhat said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@cotu42 said in A bit worried about cross play opt out:

@jjblackhat you really don't get it. PC, console... I don't care and it should not matter. Provide balanced experience and that is about input model. The platform should not define us. We shall sail together after all. People bought a crossplay title for a larger stronger community, not to then play only with their own.

You can state well hardware matters, yet xbox one, xbox x, xbox scarlett, xbox with SSDs attached to them, they also have different performances just not as varied and in the PC market we have the minimum specs that we need and from there you can spend thousands upon thousands. There are rigs out there that cost 30k... the sky is the limit.

This is not a controlled environment like a lan tournament, this is the internet and people have what they have, spend what they can on their hobby. When people state well just buy a xbox if you want to play controller only servers. I just don't see how a downgrade or sidegrade is supposed to be ok to tell someone to buy. Yet if I state well if you want better performance, spend money on a PC? It would upgrade the system performance instead of remaining equal or even have worse results that is out of line. It doesn't make sense to me. Some people do not have the luxury to own a dedicated machine for gaming and game on their PC, laptop, they need for school or work. How can anyone here make a statement about a requirement to buy something and state because of that, they own something, that they should be restricted or given specific options in the game.

I am sorry for your loss, your ADVANTAGE loss. I won't be seeing you on the sea's most likely, and that's fine by me! BEST THING RARE DID YET.

My advantage loss? My PC is still just as good as it has ever been and it runs smooth. My controller or mouse and keyboard, still the same. I never wondered before I went to battle or prayed to the gods; please let it be xbox players! I need a win! I fight when it suits me and I win or lose. If I win great, if I lose I figure out what I did wrong and learn. Never take risks if you are not willing to lose it all, avoid, sell and turn.

What I lost are fellow controller players to play with. What I lost is the ability to jump into a friends game, as I tend to be later on in the evening, when they have a spot open when they picked the opt out option and force them to give up their session progress so I can join.

My loss has nothing to do with combat, as I am not bothered with facing anyone. I have no grand illusions about my abilities, never have been and most likely will never be a PvP God. Yet I can keep myself safe out on the seas with good decisions, hope that now you have no more excuses that you finally can get that feeling of being the best or maybe you're going to start asking for PvE, who knows...

My disappointment in Rare is based on principles and expectations that I have of a company that has shown they are capable of making great games.

Nice trolly post, but it just shows how immature you are.

@ultmateragnarok I am all for all together and balanced combat regardless of input. Yet, Rare is making the statement it isn't the case and whether that is true or not is up for debate.

My personal stance has little to do with it, yet as a company I don't think that they should offer an option based on a game balance decision, by their own accord. Which was the justification when they introduced it, but then turn around and limit it to a specific set of customers. If they add something like this based on game experience, balance to the game, shouldn't it be done properly, fair and treat us all equally.

If they just want to come out and state, input is fair game... this is about xbox. That is something they can do, but then shouldn't xbox users with a mouse and keyboard be given the option.

Rare should be better than what they are showing us. Just my opinion.

I do not think console players get it..... it is not a hard opt out and it is only a preference. Console players will STILL be playing against pc players especially late at night when the playerbase is minimal. This was probably just a "security theatre" style of change to make people think they are not playing with PC players anymore, but let me say again Console players will STILL be playing with pc players just not as much. Also something to think about is it creates an Avenue for exploitation as people will buy products that I will not name that can trick your xbox into thinking it is being used by a controller while in reality they will use M&KB. This should make console.players more para of actually.