Enable/disable cross play option

I doubt it.

If they dont do it there had better be leaderboards, so that we can see once and for all based on ubiased evidence. Having a split for this game mode and not adventure would atleast be a compromise i could support.

Its always salty pc players that are against this, very rarely if ever console players, and even then they usually admit to not really knowing the facts, they just like to play with their pc friends, which optional crossplay would not interfere with.

It’s always good to have options, especially if they are calling it the competitive mode. I fear there may be some backlash they don’t add something the arena comes out.

@j4l-whammer11in said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@vallee25 said in Enable/disable cross play option:

Will there be an added feature to enable/disable crossplay. Especially with the “Arena” dlc coming in 2019. I’m a competitor console player but I’ll never be able to compete with pc players of the same or slightly lesser skill set. There is no comparison keyboard & mouse versus controller. Plus, though it’s rare, there are still players using mods/hacks in this game. I left PC for this reason, though I have met some really nice PC players I would rather significantly lower the chance of experience this with that feature in console. In the soon to come competitive PvP Arena, it’s going to get old quick and turn players away. I hope I’m wrong but would like to see this feature added.

So they are are going to split the shrinking player base by making arena and adventure servers correct? now you want them to split the players even more for xbox/pc ? well i gues we will have very long wait times for arena mode and empty private servers for adventure mode, please i beg you rare do not split up this tiny playerbase i like playing with other people and not npc's. There simply are not enough players to split between consule and pc, look at the number of discord groups and xbox lfg's. the numbers don't lie, so i wish everyone that keeps crying about splitting it up would stop. AND just remember that you knowingly purchased a open world pvep CROSS PLATFORM game!!

p.s. i play on xbox

And theres the guy i mentioned not knowing the facts... lol

The game splits players into servers with 24 players anyways, “splitting the playerbase” as an excuse to preserve unbalanced control inputs is the height of ignorance on this topic, and it amazes me that people bring it up.

You act like everyone that ever played SoT are in a room keeping this game alive, and if anyone leaves it will die! Lol.

More options actually lets the game have a more varied community of all types of players, increasing the total playerbase in all likelihood.

Beyond that have you ever watched competitive games played on pc compared to console? Yes both are fast paced but there is a clear difference in fluidity and control of movement, and precision and speed of target acquisition with a mouse and keyboard. A joysticks range of motion for controlling movement and aim have deadzones when switching directions, and is mathematically inferior for almost any type of gameplay except driving or flying.

@elysianlegion89 said in Enable/disable cross play option:

If they make cross play optional what will you guys cry about next? Losing to people with a bigger T.V? Elite controllers? You guys gotta have something to blame your loss on other than yourself. That's why I got a PC to get away from all crybaby console players. It got to the point where I was being called a cheater/hacker every single match. Console players just can't handle losing for some reason. Now ban me or whatever you mods do this forum is a joke anyway. Nothing but console players complaning about everything. Go figure.

No, we are just observant of facts and want to preserve as much of a balanced playing field as possible. What a terrible notion...

Also, fight and verse me. Lol.. jk but this isnt an issue because of “crybabies”.

And to your actual points, i wonder why at sanctioned mlg tournaments they force people to use all the same hardware? I get that this game isnt that competitive but the point remains that people wanting fair play is a good thing.

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Enable/disable cross play option:

You act like everyone that ever played SoT are in a room keeping this game alive, and if anyone leaves it will die! Lol.

More options actually lets the game have a more varied community of all types of players, increasing the total playerbase in all likelihood.

Sounds like you made an error here - separating the playerbase could never possibly lose players, but somehow it would gain players? You basically did the same, but inverse version, of the thing you were complaining about.

@d3adst1ck said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Enable/disable cross play option:

You act like everyone that ever played SoT are in a room keeping this game alive, and if anyone leaves it will die! Lol.

More options actually lets the game have a more varied community of all types of players, increasing the total playerbase in all likelihood.

Sounds like you made an error here - separating the playerbase could never possibly lose players, but somehow it would gain players? You basically did the same, but inverse version, of the thing you were complaining about.

How do you come to that conclusion lol....?

So halo 3 with just a campaign has more players than a halo 3 with matchmaking and custom games, or firefight in future halos? No you get a larger mix of multiple playstyles playing in different lobbies, which guess what, they do anyways just like SoT, except now the game has more appeal to more people.

Pretty simple stuff, or were you trolling me lol?

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@d3adst1ck said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Enable/disable cross play option:

You act like everyone that ever played SoT are in a room keeping this game alive, and if anyone leaves it will die! Lol.

More options actually lets the game have a more varied community of all types of players, increasing the total playerbase in all likelihood.

Sounds like you made an error here - separating the playerbase could never possibly lose players, but somehow it would gain players? You basically did the same, but inverse version, of the thing you were complaining about.

How do you come to that conclusion lol....?

So halo 3 with just a campaign has more players than a halo 3 with matchmaking and custom games, or firefight in future halos? No you get a larger mix of multiple playstyles playing in different lobbies, which guess what, they do anyways just like SoT, except now the game has more appeal to more people.

Pretty simple stuff, or were you trolling me lol?

Now you're using false equivalence. Comparing a single player campaign with a multiple multiplayer modes?

The game has a playerbase which is a certain number of people playing consistently. Splitting that number up into different categories won't decrease that number, like you said, because the game is instanced and the only thing that matters is the number of players on the current server. Likewise, you can't say that splitting it up will increase the playerbase for exactly the same reason.

However, because it is instanced with a fixed number of players per server the only time you will notice a change in players is when the servers appear emptier or you experience more merges than normal which will only happen if the player numbers are low.

@d3adst1ck i can say that it will “in all likelihood increase the playerbase” which isnt a claim of truth but a hypothesis, because my point has evidence and sound reasoning behind it. The other argument has neither.

Im not comparing two types of games, im comparing the appeal games that have multiple modes have with games that dont have multiple modes.

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@d3adst1ck i can say that it will “in all likelihood increase the playerbase” which isnt a claim of truth but a hypothesis, because my point has evidence and sound reasoning behind it.

How does that differ from saying that separating the playerbase will "kill the game" (ie. lower the number of players)? That hypothesis has just as much evidence and reasoning behind it.

Games with a single mode can have just as much appeal as games with multiple modes, so the comparison still makes no sense.

@d3adst1ck .....and games that have more variance and multiple distinct things that appeal to different playstyles, will appeal to more people than a singular thing will... some people like apples, some like oranges, if you turn an apple stand into an orange and apple stand, you will now appeal to people who like both, people who like apples, and dont like oranges, and vice versa, and while this may mean a lower total number of both, it could also be that they doubled the size of the stand, and the issue of quality and quantity is another conversation that while related has nothing to do with the point about player appeal and therefore retention of playerbase i just described.

and here we go again... stop hurting xbox facing console vs pc!
Do you know that in PC you can use controller? Do you know that Rare can enable keyboard and mouse for console?
for example I play on PC using controller, with friends who use controller in console and others who use mouse in PC... If you want to propose something, talk about mouse vs controller.

@j4l-whammer11in said in Enable/disable cross play option:

@a-cranky-eskimo they still sold and advertised the game as a open world pvp cross platform game that you purchased thought correct?

Actually i have been playing from the first alpha group until now for free, through game share with my brother since launch, but i would have yes. That dosnt somehow mean that this cant be changed, or that because i disagree with one thing that i wouldnt buy it just to give me this supposed right to have my opinion lol....

The unbiased facts call for this change, but just like i dont think crossplay should be forced, separation shouldnt be either. This is about giving players options to make this call themselves, in a game with low population servers. It literally only improves the game and if people are worried this will “split the playerbase” or do anything except remove a forced pc advantage at high levels of play, they are delusional and fear mongering, though thats what people say about the clear and proven mathematical advantage a mouse has over joysticks, a keyboard has over the few buttons on controller, and the fps and load time advantage. So idk why im wasting my time when its like talking to a wall, but anyways..

I know this isnt an mlg tournament for money, and i already won a contest in this game where i assume there were some pc players trying to win to, im not against pc players, this is a control scheme issue, it just so happens that as it is right now, console is controller only, and pc is mainly mouse and keyboard.

When they enable m and kb for xbox microsoft themselves called for separation for games that this causes an issue, such as anything where you need to aim weapons precisely in real time.

This is really a cut and dry issue and the fact that people still are confused about this amazes me, which is why i say things like people either dont know the facts, want to keep their advantage, or are just being willfully ignorant or trolling.

@j4l-whammer11in yeah well this whole game is a learning experience for microsoft from the crossplay to the games as a service to the community involvement in development to this being rares first real online multiplayer world, im not going to change my opinion based on them being proud of something rather than admitting a flaw that would improve that something.

This may be their first in house crossplay title, which im not sure is even true but ill take your word for it, but there is a reason every single other game that allows crossplay, it isnt forced, it isnt opt out like i suggest for this game, its opt in, and pc players with their mouse and keyboards never go into console servers, even if its 3 console players and 1 pc player, they go to pc servers.

Again this is a cut and dry issue and the people who work at microsoft need to wake up and realize that a business tactic like this, forcing communities together rather than simply encouraging them to be together, to sell more stuff to both consumer pools, is just dishonest and isnt something they should be proud of unless they could actually design a game with balance between the two, which i give them credit for attempting, and ship combat is pretty fair, but is an impossible task.

If anything i would be happier with microsoft and more willing to buy a pc to play with pc friends, and just enjoy the seamless transfer of progression, than i would now, and if they introduce m and kb support to console without options its not like ill quit playing either. Its just not intelligent based on the facts on this issue to have forced crossplay or introduce m and kb without optional control input separation.

It wont ever die, new people will always come back and bring it up until it is fixed or people stop playing, because it is a real issue for a lot of people and the fairness of console is one of its biggest selling points, microsoft shouldnt forget that.

@elysianlegion89 no worries, and i agree that it isnt about console vs pc or anything, optional crossplay, for say something like the arena update, just makes sense to me, and maybe this being microsofts flagship title they will bring in the mouse and keyboard support to console they announced, and have server options added too.