@purewebatl You can play it and enjoy it with your family, but if you cant handle being attacked in a pirate game then maybe its not the game for you.
Its a Shared world adventure game, meaning you share the world with other players, its like there whole premise and selling point
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@djiem that is true, but what if you gave people a choice to either play on a server that doesn't have PvP? That would get pretty close to pleasing everyone, well maybe not Rare because they will have to expend money to set it all up...
It would not please me, as it would destroy the game's balance. The symbiosis between PvE and PvP is what makes this game work, you cannot separate them.
@djiem wow, entitlement. So if you went to a restaurant and ordered a meal are you not entitled to receive said meal? Is the restaurant that advertises these meals not obligated to create said meal? All meals come with a price and should not said meal be equal in value to the price whether intrinsically or perceived?
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@djiem wow, entitlement. So if you went to a restaurant and ordered a meal are you not entitled to receive said meal? Is the restaurant that advertises these meals not obligated to create said meal? All meals come with a price and should not said meal be equal in value to the price whether intrinsically or perceived?
Are you saying you bought a copy of Sea of Thieves and didn't receive a copy of Sea of Thieves?
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@loyal-kawasaki aye, you are right, I understand that many people work hard and I don't discount that. I was saying that sometimes you just want to play a game and enjoy it after a hard day's work.
Sadly, what you are looking for is a Private Group option like Elite Dangerous has. The only people that can play in your private group is people you invited in.
However, Elite Dangerous has NPC ships to fight against. SoT does not have NPC pirates. Your ship would be the only ship sailing. How boring would that be?
@djiem good one! I did get a game, I guess I got what I was entitled to and I have no grounds for complaint.
HAHAHA you deserve it. "life is tough enough" L**O dude I hope you get robbed everytime you get on. this game is for top dawgs to compete, just face it, it will never change. We will always win.
@knifelife I love the aspect of it being a shared world and apparently I am the only one that has taken issue with griefing.
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@lowbei good point, who did I think I was to purchase such a game and think that I could play it and enjoy it with my family.
im glad you understand your mistake, as piracy games are for adults.
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@djiem wow, entitlement. So if you went to a restaurant and ordered a meal are you not entitled to receive said meal? Is the restaurant that advertises these meals not obligated to create said meal? All meals come with a price and should not said meal be equal in value to the price whether intrinsically or perceived?
Of course you should get your meal.
But if you didn't read the menu and knew what you ordered, its on you bro.
I spent alot of time to look at games before I buy them for my kids. :)
@purewebatl Where do you play, guys?, am I playing in budist servers or what?, because I never live this kind of survival horror situations you talk about in these boards.
I was playing solo this afternoon around 4 hours and my cannons ended with the first two cannonballs I loaded in my first harbour...and well, full stocked resources as I didn't spend nothing but bananas against skeletons.
Not a single combat situation, except some warning shots by a panicking sloop I met randonmly.
@chocolatepain77 said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
You got attacked by pirates in a pirate game....
whoa, watch out, you are going to upset him again
@purewebatl
No you are not but its pointless to discuss with people like Lowbei and Trenix because their only enyoment in life seems to be when others suffer. This is a sad fact for many others and other games. Mankind is ignorant and without empathie. All we ask for is an INGAME way to avoid being constantly harrased without having to switch servers. Because having to switch servers gives griefers the right to do it and it shouldnt be that way. Nobody wants to get rid of PvP when its a part of the game but its more and more the only thing you get.
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@lowbei good point, who did I think I was to purchase such a game and think that I could play it and enjoy it with my family.
I don't understand how can adult can logically come to an online forum and whine and cry about "enjoy(ing) it with my family", in a game that blatantly and obviously advertises itself as PvP.
I blame you for purchasing a video game for your children where there is proximity chat and PvP is encouraged. I have children too. They'd love to play this game, but I'm not going to subject them to the asshats from the internet. If my son wants to play an online video game with me, we'll make a fireteam and shoot some aliens in the face in Destiny 2 or something.
I definitely won't let him log into a game with proximity chat and expect everything to be ok.
You have a job? You work hard? Boo hoo. We all do. You just wanted to come home from work and chill and relax? BY PLAYING A HOSTILE PVP GAME?!? Again, I blame you.
@purewebatl Yeah, it can be pretty frustrating. But this player induced pain-game eventually feeds the satisfying feeling when you had some good runs. Without these experiences you would not be careful, constantly watching for masts and sails on the horizon while exploring the world. In my opinion this thrill is necessary and a core component of this awesome game.
Also when this happens, I might be wrong, but I think when you log off and back in again, you're probably going to be on another server.
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
... This is worse than trying to mine in EVE during Hulkageddon. I can appreciate that due to the nature of being a pirate, pirate type behavior will occur. 'We got our ship sunk and lost that loot', this makes sense, 'This guy chasing us all across the ocean and killing my kids and then killing them again as soon as they respawn', this does not make sense. It also speaks to the really c****y nature of online society and if we pay for your game you should give us a way to politely decline from mixing with them. Why can't you set up micro instances of the game and allow crews to play PvE instead of PvP? …
While I understand the frustration., and I've been quite aggressive towards those with equally aggressive and accusatory tones in other Thread about suggesting PvE "Only" or Disabling Crossplay, etc.
The reason that I am is because of the unreasonable nature and tone.
In essence they don't want a discussion about WHAT they're upset about and potential solutions., but instead are just seeking for others to agree with their Demands that are by their nature entirely Selfish and Self-Serving with no regards for anyone else in the Community who doesn't agree with them.
A lot of this comes from the fact they're just Angry / Frustrated and want a Solution, without actually ever considering what their base Grievance actually is.
Because... if you don't know WHY you're angry, then how do you know that the Solution you're proposing will actually resolve it?
I've said this many times before, that this is a key problem with Social Interaction since the introduction of the Internet and the Social Media Age.
It was always much more difficult to dismiss someone out of hand when you're having a Face-to-Face discussion with them... compared to the more impersonal interactions of blocks of Text. It's why Long-Distance Diplomacy rarely (if ever) resolved anything unless both Parties were already willing and wishing to Reach an Agreement., instead days of Face-to-Face Negotiations (if not Weeks / Months / Years) would take place to really hammer out a Middle-Ground they were willing to meet at.
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Consider this for a second.
What if there was a Rating System., something where all the Pirates (Players) on a Server were listed in say the Outpost Taverns and you could leave "Notes" about them.
These would of course be in-theme and predefined., like say "Blood Thirsty", "Unsavvy", "Back Stabber", "Rests on their Laurels", "Loose Cannon", "Blue Tongued"... now the Nice Counter-Parts to these could also exist.
These could have adjectives to describe how much you disliked said behaviour... so say "Somewhat", "Mostly", "Very" and "Grossly"; I don't know something along those lines.
Each of the Categories (Aggression, Griefing, Betrayal, Laziness, Unpredictability, Language), would have a Rating from -10 to +10 (Default 0.0) ... similar to Eve's Reputation System; but these figures would merely be Background for the Server and Matchmaking System.
A Wanted Posted of each Pirate on the Instance however could be viewed (also at the Taverns, or if they're exceptionally Notorious... i.e. -10 / +10 Players; even on Trees of Random Islands) where the Description procedurally generates based on their most Notorious Feature, but mentions say the Top 3.
This would serve as nice Flavour Text for each Player providing a bit of a Heads Up to the other Players on the Instance. Yet the Matchmaking System could use this Reputation to weight it in such a way that it's more likely you'll be on Servers with "Similar" Pirates.
I'm not suggesting there is no Chance of such., I think like Loot Drop Tables, it's never a guarantee that any Instance is Perfectly "Safe" or "Nice" ... but it would in essence result in the idea of High, Low, Null-Sec (which Eve Online has) without expressly creating a segmented community.
Yet, overtime these gradually reduce back to Neutral.
It could also be tied into the Crime & Punishment System (if / when) such a system is implemented., meaning that it wouldn't just be the Ratings from the other Pirates but also your own Actions that would add to such Reputations.
This to me would be a quite Elegant and Reasonable Solution.
If you don't like being in the Personal Hell of being "Shot on Sight"., then stop doing it to others and your Reputation will drop back down until you're more likely to be on Instances with Friendlier Players.
And as noted, if it's tied to what others Report about you and your Actions... well it makes it much more difficult to Game. No, Buying Farmed Tags to get back into High-Sec... you're instead going to have to be a more Pleasant Player.
Although one way I could potentially see would be groups like 4Chan or Reddit doing Community campaigns to lower everyone they come across... as such a workaround for this would be that the Aggregated Reputation is treated as the "Pirates Word"., where as it drops, it carries less Weight (beyond say -8.0 it's effectively "Worthless"); as such within said Tier of Notoriety "Actions speak louder than Words"
Grinding up to be Reputable would ultimately be too much effort for such campaigns to be worthwhile. Maybe during the initial launch of said a Feature, but as overtime the Actions of the players would balance out., and say your Reputation doesn't slowly shift towards Neutral if you don't have Xbox Live Gold.
Well I think that might be a good way to prevent such abuse.
I'm sorry but you could have simply left the instance and joined a new one or better yet stop bringing your work life into a section that has nothing to do with it, If you dislike your job leave it find a better one if you actually feel you need to escape from real life that is unhealthy regarding trying to change a game to your needs and your "kids" needs who probably are to young to even understand the concepts of this game that is laughable.
Tired of seeing people make these posts clearly you lacked the age of understanding on how to deflect the ship because half your crew members are younger than teenagers.
When this happened to me I made fun of it. My tactic was sinking the bullies ship (I had luck with it), then leaving the game and go another server. This way mine was the last word. On the new instance it was a much better experience.
when they mess with you mess with them back. They come all the way after you from a island far away wait till they are close scuttle. see them again scuttle. Send ship driver less out to sea. Stay on island as they board it when they see its unmanned scuttle it. Try to show kids even bad times in life you can find the good. Never let someone else ruin your day.
I'm curious, are you in the USA? I simply ask this because I have not experienced anything like this in the EU servers.
I can sympathise with what your saying and I believe changes are on the way to make it better but there's only so much they can do. The best weapon against trolls and general asshats has already been suggested, swap server.
Good luck in the future, I hope the situation improves for you.
Honestly, I would just switch servers. You are always going to find people that like to ruin things for others. You lose far less time by switching servers than you would by getting killed over and over. Online games will always have these types of people. You either fight back and win, or avoid them by moving to a new instance.
So you have the almost unbelievable luck of running into the same crew multiple times, even after being sunk and respawning on the other end of the map / other island / somewhere else... which in itself should almost be achievement worthy. And your solution is to drag it on for an hour?
Esc - leave game - click to join game - galleon - crewsize - party up - set sail.
New instance, no harm done.
if that doesn't work for you, then either:
The latter will probably hit a sore spot, but hey, if they (or you through them) cannot cope with the game style, then why are you even bothering to play?
The PvE excuse, no matter if you use an example like a menu at a restaurant or anything else, is silly. It's like giving Call of Duty WW2 a paintball mode. :')
Sure the map isnt THAT big but you guys could sail just to another island if you to stubborn to do that you can change the server if you to stubborn to change the server you can play something eles if you to stubborn to play something else you can go cry in the official forum.
Edit: i just saw your even crying about the hulkageddon in eve online, honestly it serves you right to be ganked. Carebears pff.
@purewebatl if u get "hunted" on some server, just quit to lobby and join another one... i found so many kinds of ppl that cant even write here!
Some servers there will be only sharks players looking for blood, others will have friendly players, and go on! Just change server and you will be able to have fun with your family.
Sorry to hear but unfortunately stories like yours have been all too common in my time here. Rare has been told non-stop for over a year now of the imbalances of PVP and PVE in the game. Anyone with an ounce of sense knew what a griefer's paradise Rare was setting up with this Open World PVP setting. Why it needed to be allowed to devolve to this point is beyond me.
The only steps they've made towards correcting this issue is 'The Pirate Code' (LOL) and the Brig. Honestly wouldn't expect them to get a handle on this anytime soon short of introducing PVE-only servers.
@weesalty-mug said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@loyal-kawasaki He was saying we all do... Why even put that in your post. His whole damn post was that everyone (generally speaking) works hard. So don't do the British fake politeness correction.
He wrote "I work all day".
And I'm not british, nor do I make use of fake politeness.
I am just polite. :)
im sorry to hear you have encounterd one of the more persistent pvp'ers.
i havnt meet anyone who keept hunting me continuesly.
only a 2man sloop vs 2man sloop fight over a fort. we got there first and sunk them twice before losing our ship. we went back and reclaimed our spot, sinking them five more times before they abanoned their claim on the fort.
but if i encounter players hunting me like you have experienced, i would simply leave game and try again on a new server.
as you say, you play with family and friends so you wont suffer as bad, when i comes to random crew on a new ship.
it is a simple way with little to no loss that distance your self to griefers.
@koolgoldfinch said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@purewebatl said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@shambozo you are right, we should've just switched servers. Then everything would've been okay and we would have not a single problem in the way Rare has decided to set up in game player interactions.
I think you're misunderstanding. Rare doesn't force people to be jerks. People are jerks. And when they're anonymous, they don't mind showing that off. I am sorry that some people ruined your game night, but it is not Rare's fault. They could absolutely implement more features to stop this, like an in-game report system or an "avoid this player" button (both of which I think would help in reducing a lot of griefing incidents) but even if they don't, it's not Rare's fault that people decide to be jerks.
It actually is Rare's fault. They designed the game to appeal griefers and trolls. Normally games like this have an option for private servers. ARK, Conan Exiles etc... If Rare doesn't add private servers ASAP they are basically condoning griefing and saying that griefing IS the game.
@loyal-kawasaki said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@weesalty-mug said in Being a pirate or being a jerk? Rare has created the perfect environment for the latter...:
@loyal-kawasaki He was saying we all do... Why even put that in your post. His whole damn post was that everyone (generally speaking) works hard. So don't do the British fake politeness correction.
He wrote "I work all day".
And I'm not british, nor do I make use of fake politeness.
I am just polite. :)
Read his whole post. The sentiment was not just himself.
