~ Frustrated w/ Outpost Campers ~

@pilks4k I'll tell people to get better because that's what everyone should strive for any way.

But then I'll also give advice on how to do so. Always be observant. Look for ships, sails or mermaids before going onto an island. If you see any of these things then you can assume they're going to give you a hard time, especially a mermaid.

@beauty4hisglory i agree with you.

Many people said that pvp at outposts is part of be a pirate. Really? Did pirates murder other pirates infront of the merchant? In town? Really? Outpost needs guards and jails...

To answer your question-

No, you shouldn't expect any changes for this. Rare has received a few complaints on this issue, and decided that making an outpost into a safezone would ruin immersion in the game for many players, and ruin a lot of pvp, since it would be easy to escape during a chase if all it took was reaching the dock of an outpost.

My recommendations are to always check around an outpost before anchoring your ship there, to look for players or other ships, and to turn in somewhere else if you have the option. Or, have a crewmate defend you while you turn in.

Hopefully, most outpost campers will realize soon that it is easier, more fun, and more rewarding to do their own quests.

@imagine-david yes, if the pirate that owned that outpost didn't like what another pirate was doing they could kill them on the spot.

Pirate outposts were owned by other pirates. If a crew decides to lay claim to an outpost, guess what they can do there.

@crash4654 I dont think that outposts has owners. Outposts are trade markets where all population can trade.

I just vote for pvp with guards and jails. If someone can kill other, he must drfend against guards. If killed, go jail for x amount of minutes.

Also i vote for making bounty on his head and marking on the map.

Great addition 👍

The window of stealing someones loot is already next to none, making it any safer than it already is, will make it essentially impossible to steal someone elses loot.

@Pilks4k
What's imbalanced?
Oh and "If someone tells you that the intention of the game is PvP, you should ignore them, because it doesn't fit your worldview. Lmaoing all the way to the gold hoarders.

When I finish a raid (really, before I start a raid) I pick out several potential outposts to bee-line towards. I never pick outposts close to the fort I'm attacking for the reason you point out.

It's tempting to just want to offload your haul as quickly as possible, but it's just not possible to sink a ship that doesn't want to be sunk if you have your wits about you and you don't get ambushed in some odd way.

As such, spending an extra 5 or so minutes heading to an out of the way outpost to sell your loot is always worth it. Since there are more locations that campers need to consider further out from the fort it makes it very unlikely that they'll pick the one you do :)

@pilks4k
Indeed, I agree on some point.

There should be some sort of loss for losing your ship in my opinion. I do not agree however with the mermaid being "broken" in any way. Galleons are already complete suffering to navigate with, and having no mermaid would make the game basically unplayable because of the amount of stops.

Go to another outpost. It's as simple as that. You get to hand your loot in, the camper gets nothing.

This game requires a slightly different mindset to the usual MMO Open World kinda game, and part of that mindset is being aware of what other players are doing. If you see a ship at an outpost (hint, use your telescope), change course straight away.

The game isn't going to (and shouldn't) hold your hand. Do you risk going to an outpost with a sloop docked? Perhaps. Would you risk going to an outpost with a galleon docked? Absolutely no way!

Campers are successful because other players are lazy or aren't paying attention. It's a dog eat dog world, and everyone is wearing bacon underpants.

@pilks4k nah the mermaid system is fine. If you want to add risk to PvP, male it so supplies aren't everywhere, bananas, sure put them everywhere. Planks? Only on large island's. But cannon balls should be very rare, even on skull forts, and all of the supplies should be purchased in town en mass for gold. (200g for 25 cannonballs, 150g for 10 planks, ext) not only would this give a player sink for their income, but also if the inventory saved per game (saved until you quit out) then it would prevent people from using the respawns ship for endless supply to keep throwing themselves at better crews, trying to grind them down.

Tl;Dr
1, mermaid is fine.

2, add purchaseable supply and reduce world spawn supply

3, saved supply inventory per game.

@pilks4k so instead just get eaten by a shark and respawn 15 seconds later?

@pilks4k my point being that removing or changing the mermaid won't prevent people from doing what you dislike. They'll just use the death system instead. Unless they make it so you cannot respawn on your ship at all, which would horribly break the game, you're not going to get away from people using the system to try and board you.

@beauty4hisglory said in ~ Frustrated w/ Outpost Campers ~:

First of all..... Rare, I am quite enjoying being a pirate and am having a blast playing! I understand that this game is not for everyone, but I am loving it! I do want to share that I am EXTREMELY frustrated with those that find it rewarding and fun gameplay to camp at an Outpost and take ones hard earnings as they are cashing in..... I do find it exciting when completing a quest to be on the lookout for those who want my treasures and wish to sink my ship..... I get it! That’s all part of the game and being a pirate, HOWEVER, I think that once you make it to the Outpost, it should be somewhat more safe? I would like to see the Outpost as being a safe place to turn in your earnings as well as a great place to just hang out and socialize with other players. Rare, is this camping at the Outpost with theft in mind a concern for you? Can I anticipate a change with this? Just a thought. Thanks again for a great game!!!

            Sincerely,
               Pirate Becca

Honestly, it's just part of the game. You just have to find a way to counter this. Of course I know this is tougher with the Merchant Voyages.

@pilks4k Plus in my experience, who does that anyway? Unless you're following directly behind somebody and not paying attention nobody can board you. I see people all the time try to board me and it never works out for them. Even if they shoot them self on to my deck, which is maybe one in a thousand attempts, they eat blunderbuss immediately. Well I can see how this would be annoying I also see that this is such a rare occurrence, a niche of a ploy, compared to other means of combat that I don't see this as a issue.

@pilks4k it would make things less cheesy but also break several other mechanics in place that allow people to turn in loot when they're being chased. You would no longer be able to do things such as jump off your bow and turn in as your Ship Sails by. Making it so that a enemy crew could potentially wear you down over time if you have loot. As you never be able to drop off any of it. Also prevent you from being able to recaptures your ship if somebody raises your anchor while you were on an island. Or if a glitch throws you into the waves. Or if you get knocked off your ship by an enemy player because of swordplay mechanics. There's so many systems in place currently that rely on the mermaid. I don't see a way to take it out without breaking all those mechanics

@face-0-o said in ~ Frustrated w/ Outpost Campers ~:

Official word. Go to another outpost.

Dear Rare,

I read this and saw it was from a few months ago.
1- Has anything changed?
2- Does Rare still feel this way?

and 3- By "Outpost" do you actually mean another "Game"

because IF something doesn't get changed many players will be leaving.
PvP is a disaster and all my friends hate it, many on the forums have given feedback and written posts about it, and even IGN, The Know, Angry Joe, and numerous Games Outlets have complained about it. I'm sure the Kotaku, Games Radar, and others are writing the "Click bait PvP is Broken in Sea of Thieves "articles as we speak

@gordon-sevencav
Cannonballs/planks/bananas should cost gold. Would make pvping more expensive, as well as provide some more reason to get gold.

@lenny2k3 said in ~ Frustrated w/ Outpost Campers ~:

@gordon-sevencav
Cannonballs/planks/bananas should cost gold. Would make pvping more expensive, as well as provide some more reason to get gold.

Absolutely.