This massive issue people keep mentioning

@inbred-chimera Hey mate

If you see there’s already a big discussion on a topic, why not head over there and add your opinions? The mods are trying to keep the forums clean with less similar posts. Also it lets devs see all your opinions in one place. :)

@dark-shadow9056 I'm not convinced they are actually. I'm fairly sure they've given up, much as I would in their situation. The swaths of reposted threads are unending and trying to stem the flow would be like trying to damn a river with a plank and nails. Since I couldn't find a more relevant thread, I just stuck it in here. At the very worst someone could direct me to my answer and the thread could be abandoned.

@inbred-chimera said in This massive issue people keep mentioning:

@dark-shadow9056 I'm not convinced they are actually. I'm fairly sure they've given up, much as I would in their situation. The swaths of reposted threads are unending and trying to stem the flow would be like trying to damn a river with a plank and nails. Since I couldn't find a more relevant thread, I just stuck it in here. At the very worst someone could direct me to my answer and the thread could be abandoned.

Well at least if you don’t repost you won’t be contributing to the cluster :)
It’s like saying who cares about pollution since the earth is already polluted.

@tre-oni I don't see your point. This is a thread and I'm asking a question. That was a post and I was making a statement.

I hate to see clogging of the forum, but it is clogged, and it's clearly not going to clear up any time before release. At best your observation is as pointless as my thread, but i'm actually asking a question to which I have not yet seen an answer.

If it were down to me the entire forum would be respawn and brig complaints. Ideas are fun, but the game shouldn't risk launching with design flaws in my opinion, and I feel that needs to be emphasized since there seems to be no solid confirmation that this is being addressed.

I say purely because I would like this game to succeed, and i'd consider it a massive risk to launch with these issues. I care about the other players and it upsets me to see someone lose 4+ hours of in game progress due to an issue with the games design. For me that would be one of those situations where you put the game down and realy have to consider if you want to sink any more time into a game that will do that to you.

@tre-oni said in This massive issue people keep mentioning:

@inbred-chimera @thejolirouge said in Hoping this "Game Breaker" situation be changed:

If people are figuring out where respawns are – that is a number we can tweak. Maybe we spawned killed players in that particulate place because it's close to their voyage, but we could push them further away to prevent repeated griefing, for example. All of these sorts of things we wanted to address by running a closed beta.

Source: Interview with Mike Chapman (Design Director), February 13th

I was gonna post the same thing but you were way faster :D

@dark-shadow9056 sort of, yeah, if my contribution to pollution was C02 and salt. Unlike "another 30 chest ideas that won't be balanced / have already been mentioned' my post has a point. We could all just not post at all and solve the problem. But i'd rather post something relevant and push something not overly concerning out the way, at least until launch.

@tre-oni Thanks for this, but if its all we have then I remain concerned. It seems like a very jovial attitude towards the issue, and there are a lot of maybes and 'we'll look at it' sort of suggestions.

Based on that statement I'm not at all convinced it would be addressed by launch. He mentions that someone has to be a loser, but doesn't acknowledge that both the winner and the loser should not be losers, and that actually the winner should win, unanimously. It's almost the person making that statement has not played the game. Thanks for posting that though, better than nothing.

@soda-jack Really? Are you sure? that seems like terrible design....I didn't think they'd ever consider moving instances as a result of dying, like you say it completely removes any chance of vengeance... that's something I look forward to.

This is a dead issue...If anyone read the forums they would have seen posts WEEKS ago by the devs saying it was a known issue and something they were absolutely working on. Finding the right balance of how far away to respawn the ship is the sweet spot. Don't want to force the losers of the engagement to respawn on the opposite side of the map, needing a 10minute sail time back to the voyage area....They also posted about water spawning and being camped. Betas are for these reasons exactly....fix whats not working. Just chill and enjoy a great game.

@soda-jack The number of lives isn't too cruical, its the consequence of loss. Moved to a new instance? that's harsh. That's 0 chance for revenge. You can destroy people and not have to worry about grudges or revenge at all.

Player relationships will struggle to develop in game because of the constant migration of players. Afterall, someone has to lose engagements.

@inbred-chimera We've already been told that the death mechanic seen in the beta is not going to be the same at launch. Save your respawn qualms til then.

@vertabreaker26 Well, rather than me sift through weeks worth of posts I thought i'd just ask the community and gamble on someone actually being helpful. They haven't fixed what's not working and I haven't seen any evidence so far of them 'absolutely working on'' the issue. What i've read just now seems more like they want to sound like they're working on it, but are specifically aoiding making any promises.

@TheJolirouge Unlike yourself I am concerned about the success of this game and refuse to take a 'let's just leave it to the devs and hope they nail it' attitude. A chef can cook for 40 years and make a mistake. A mountain climber can fall and die on his thousandth climb. A game developer can definately mess up their first attempt at a new type of game. This is why I am concerned now, and not once the game releases and the masses make their judgements of it.

Also you claim 'we know they are working on it'. How? If you'd be so kind as to direct me to the source of this knowledge, I'd very much appreciate it. Though, working on something and fixing them are two very different things regardless. What i'm asking for is if we've seen a 'yes, it will be sorted for launch.' statement.

@inbred-chimera I tried myself to start a megathread about it here

Apparently, this wasn't interesting enough at the time.

Still agree with you though, the respawn system is highly flawed

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@inbred-chimera I think the issue they're encountering with moving the ships too far away is that if you're on a voyage and get sunk they don't want you to have to cross the entire map to do your quest. That'd be my guess anyway. But I take a little issue with sinking someone and having them return before their chests even float to the surface. I don't think it's quite the easy fix everyone thinks it is. There's numerous effects on gameplay as well, like a chance for revenge.

@deashkiin That's a lot of complicated coding, really not possible with the current state of the game. Would also require linking of fault to the ship that sunk you, also not possible with the current state of the game as sinking is not a direct result of another ship or player.

I honestly can't think of a way to fix it that is without faults.

@Inbred-Chimera
It was just another mega thread I came across the other day. Someone carefully gathered all the devs responses to these issues. As for the water spawn camping...I did NOT hear an exact statement as to whats happening. Closest ive heard is that some of the issues were people loading in white screen, and showing up in game to others before they could see anything themselves. Allowing easy K.O.s since you cant see it coming. That was a bug supposedly. As long as they simply make you spawn right next to the mermaid with no white screen delay, there should be NO reason you cant click to escape. My very first time in this game was a solo sail, wanted to figure out the controls. Ran into another sloop and then a galley shows up. After death I spawned in the water to the galley camping overtop and snipers shots flying by my face. I made it to the mermaid ez pz 4v1. Granted...sometimes you might not. I'm sure these will be tweaked over time as the player base grows. But you must take the bad with the good, and this game IMO has far, FAR, more good times than bad.

@deashkiin Seems easy, but it's not. That distance is critical to Rares' vision for encounters. I don't think the map is quite big enough for that to really help. You'd be placed in sight of someone most likely either way. unless they aimed spawns around the outer rim of the map at islands, so you'd always spawn with the island obstructing view. I don't like that either though for reasons.

I'm happy enough as is, I'd rather wait and see how it develops after launch before complaining about it or demanding a fix.