Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles (Temporary)

@dlchief58 said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@kelztastic said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

My suggestion to help balance hour glass in terms of dealing with the big C, temporarly disable kegs across the whole game. This will ultimately give skilled players a fighting chance in hour glass battles. Atleast until you get that situation under more control.

That's funny, as I thought the true test of skill is to prepare for and overcome such obstacles. If you are taken out by an explosive barrel, maybe you aren't as skilled as you'd like to believe.

repeatedly getting kegged over and over in less then a min by someone teleporting to your boat.. HOW can anyone fight back and not sink to it? They spawn on your ship before your boat comes out of the water with mega kegs in hand, an usually multiple ppl with mega kegs..

People who defend the integrity of the game experience at this point are either trolling, "C"ing themselves, on Xbox servers (Since this is ONLY a PC server problem) or naive at this point. Which one are you? Considering the amount of players I've been seeing and hearing (as well as footage on youtube), I don't think it's really a good idea to aim for the current hip phrase "skill issue".

I mean, there are so many online based PVP games that feature players whom use these unnatural abilities, and I wouldn't dare dream to suggest it's all skill issue based problems.

@foambreaker said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

Someone got blown up!

No, -1, why mess up the whole game over a dying feature.

First ask yourself why its dying.. Secondly Because its not JUST hourglass its in adventure too, had someone fly to my boat the other day and take my FOF chest and fly away come back and keg repeatedly.. BUT my main focus is Hourglass as its the worst there.

@hiradc said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@kelztastic it's in adventure how do you disable all kegs...

By disabiling in adventure as well. Thus the "Whole game" (ofcourse if possible leave Xbox servers outta it, since they arent being effected by these ppl right now)

If anyone has a real arguement please post, if your going to just belittle and be toxic and ugly to people posting suggestions you dont agree with than please move along. Atleast im trying to think of ideas to help the current state of this game even if its a short term improvement.

@hiradc
Its the primary method they are using to win. As a seasoned player with 4,000 hours and im pretty good at pvp, the ONLY thing keeping me from having a chance at fighting back and winning is the kegs RIGHT NOW. i understand that its not the complete solution, its just something simple they can do to help address it temporarly. The whole original post suggested it as a temporarly thing, do not take my words outta context. I understand they will find other methods but its better than doing nothing while we wait for that long term solution.

@foambreaker

..... yea im supposed to be able to repell the teleporting keg man.. dude your really trolling at this point. goodbye.

@foambreaker

This is a suggestion post to help give us a leg to stand on, not to whine. Do not take my post outta context. I have used the report feature many times to be exact... Why are you being so condesending.

@burnbacon They can only hold so many blunder bombs in their pockets.. they will have to stop and refill, its not impossible to win a broadside against such things.. These ppl have no game sense, they cant handle the pressure skilled players put on them if they dont have their almightly kegs. If it wasnt for the kegs they wouldnt be able to have such a easy win. I laugh when ppl firebomb my ship, like okay thanks? Blunderbombs.. meh how they gonna sink me with those.. Blunderspam so i cant repair? The spawn rate of blunderbombs is nerfed enough to where its already tough to find them.. Plus Ill just move my ship... In a naval fight these people are terrible. They cant sail, no ship management at all. They gotta kill me on my boat, for me to sink, thus why they use kegs. Kegs are being used as a insta kill method right now. The point of this suggestion is to give us a fighting chance against them, its not a complete solution, does it suck for everyone to lose kegs, ofcourse! BUT it also sucks to have someone literally griefing you too. We have to do something to help the community for the time being.

@triheadedmonkey said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

Thank you!

@triheadedmonkey I edited my comment about reporting system as i realised it was not on topic and the point of this conversation is suggestions for improvements and a report system is not the place for that, thats what this is for.. I choose to back away from commenting on the reporting system and keep focused. Thanks again for coming to the rescue! People love attacking others in this forum. Im trying to help come up with solutions, its becoming increasingly hard to come here with ideas when you instantly get called unskilled or they assume you dont know how the game works. Im literally a founder, been playing for 6yrs, it says so on every post and comment i make. I dont understand why people assume i lack knowledge or skill and always wanna attack me in those manners. Im getting tired of it boss. Appreciate you though!

Before its argued, i think also they should make it so in hourglass u cant leave your boat for atleast 10secs - 15secs after coming out the water. To prevent being insta boarded and killed before you can even move.

Additionally another alternative, why cant hourglass be in a instanced zone like Pirates Life/Monkey Island Tall tales, with no kegs in the area.

@dlchief58 said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@kelztastic said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

That's funny, as I thought the true test of skill is to prepare for and overcome such obstacles. If you are taken out by an explosive barrel, maybe you aren't as skilled as you'd like to believe.

Not that i agree with the suggestion
But in regards to getting outdone by cheaters using kegs, there is no way to win those, they fly across the map picking uo kegs and then dropping them from high up in the sky while lit, and then doing that 3~4 times in a 10~20 second period.

There is no way to combat them as a player

@foambreaker said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@kelztastic "...the ONLY thing keeping me from having a chance at fighting back and winning is the kegs RIGHT NOW..."

If it's kegs then you have a root issue with repelling boarders. It's a skill issue.

You do know that these superhumans have no need to board right ? They fligh trough the air dropping them from there while lit.

Also they can insta ladder (being at the top instantly, including the mast.

Also they can just grab any interactable on the ship from inside the water

@callmebackdraft Yeah i know this isnt the best solution, but something maybe that can help somewhat in the mean time.

Edited: I originally thought you was talking to me in one of the comments, than realised you wasnt. Lol sorry.

@hiradc said in Suggestion To Help Balance Hour Glass Battles.:

@kelztastic I get it's frustrating but hourglass represents a very small portion of the playerbase so it wouldn't be fair on adventure players to remove kegs. Like I said it might be the primary method you see (although I suspect the aimbot users are more subtle and cheat under the radar) but they would just adapt and find other ways.

Although its maybe true hourglass represents a small portion of the sea of thieves community currently, it wasnt a small portion before the supernatural started being an issue. The first 2 months of hourglasses release many people was playing it, hourglass battles was all over the place on every server you went on. Then the supernatual showed up in abundance in January. How many people have quit playing hourglass as a result of the supernatural thus far? The supernatural have been using this method for over 7 months. Kegs are one of the driving forces behind the supernatural having an upper hand on legit players. Making it almost impossible to do anything against them as a result.

If we continue to allow them to keep using and abusing this game mechanic, because of this perspective you and others have, allowing them and empowering them to have that upperhand, than what do you think will happen to the rest of the game and other modes of play? The answer is the legit players will stop playing hourglass all together on pc servers, and the supernatural will come to adventure and grief players there with the same supernatural abilities we are currently facing in hourglass. I already had someone teleport to my boat THIS WEEK in adventure mode and steal my fort of fortune chest and chest of legends right in front of everyone on board and simultaneously keggin us until we sunk. The kegging is what won that battle, not that we couldnt kill them in TDM, we did kill them in TDM, the kegging was the final nail for us and what ultimately sunk us, the supernaturals ship was no where in sight. The fact of the matter is if we do not take away (again temporarily until a permenent solution is worked out) the MOST frustrating tool being used against us, all the community can do is sit here and continue to take this treatment or quit the game.

Again i understand its not a complete solution to the problem. Although anti cheat would be amazing, the logistics of adding anti cheat to a game vs building the game from scratch with anti cheat is extremely difficult. Anti cheat is also only the first defense against the supernatural. Good defense includes, moderation, clever server side detectors, cooperation from Microsoft to handle alternate account creation. We can scream for anti cheat, but that doesn’t change the fact that it involves rebuilding larger parts of the code base for sea of thieves and it’s servers.

This suggestion is atleast an effort to give us all a fighting chance, and salvage alittle bit of what ever is left of the PC hourglass community, until the devs come up with a permanent solution, as im sure they are working tirelessly on. Yes the supernatural will find new methods to use against us until the devs work stuff out, but the longer we allow them to ultilze mechanics the more popular it will become and the more players we will ultimately lose by not allowing those legit players to have even a smidge of hope to defeat the supernatural. i believe it will also keep getting keg spammed from happening in adventure mode, as hourglass is the supernaturals main focus, the front line so to speak right now, and if we can keep their focus on hourglass, by giving the PVP hourglass community a chance to fight back against the supernatural, maybe the supernatural wont feel compelled to ruin adventure mode before the devs can do anything about this. Because right now they are feeling extra powerful. This is a simple and fast improvement for the current state of PC hourglass. Give us a fighting chance. Let us even the playing field alittle more.