Grade 5 Athena should counter a Grade 5 Reaper.

@tek-lt Sorry for ridiculous typos that’s iPhone for you.

@tek-lt but remember, reapers can be seen from grade 1 onwards. Being able to see others is their reward for hitting 5. Other factions rewards are better loot than what they were getting before hitting 5. Seems pretty balanced to me.

@captaintibbz said in Grade 5 Athena should counter a Grade 5 Reaper.:

I'm not sure that taking out the abilities for Reaper's is a good solution to any balance. If anything, if you want the Athena's to be rewarded for protecting non alliance crews, make it so that if an Athena hand's in a Reaper's flag, you get timer where you are invisible to reapers on the map.

So Athena's actually hunting Reaper's are rewarded, Athena's not hunting reapers will still be seen.

Maybe make each Reaper flag turned in allow you to stay invisible at level 5 only as well and for a set amount of time like 1-2 hours per flag.

I think this is a solution to your idea. Would actually be cool too.

To much cheesable.

Raise Reaper, scuttle ship, bury the flag, sail back with your new ship, dig up Reaper flag, raise Athena, when a (high level) Reaper shows up, turn in your own Reaper flag and you're invisible for the Reapers on the map.

You envision Athena protecting from Reapers, but it probably will be used when a crew comes across a Reaper (flag), they use it for their benefit without having protected anyone and donning their Athena emissary because they found a Reaper flag

@captaintibbz said in Grade 5 Athena should counter a Grade 5 Reaper.:

@lem0n-curry Has to be a level 5 reaper flag to work , and doesn't work endless your level 5 Athena , if you lower emissary or scuttle the invisibility is gone and you can't turn in your own flag , plain and simple.

That would indeed make some of the cheese go away in your proposal, but you said:

( ... ) Maybe make each Reaper flag turned in allow you to stay invisible at level 5 only ( ... )

As long as reapers will be able to also see the Athena, and something like a bounty is implement I think this is a really cool idea. The only problem I see is that it could be abused, such as constantly running or camping the shores of gold, etc. but if they found a way around that I am all for it.

@personalc0ffee
Not if they are implemented properly. Considering how the reapers work it would be quite unfair for a faction like Athena's to deny them their ability without having some sort of reward to counterbalance this.

Reaper may be the only faction to get a grade 5 ability, but thats because its the only faction that doesnt grant high level voyages for reaching grade 5. There isnt need for a counter considering the ability they gain at grade 5 lets them only see emissaries if they are active, otherwise, before grade 5, everyone can already see them.

Athena can now sell reaper flags to the mysterious stranger and it counts towards the emissary grade thanks to the hourglass changes. The incentive is there, go sink that reaper 5 if you want to protect the server.

@personalc0ffee
I won't argue with the opinion of the design director. If this isn't Rare's vision for the game so be it. I was merely stating that bounties aren't by nature toxic but are just a tool for the sandbox. In SoT even simple things like the boundaries of the map ,also known as the red sea, have been used in toxic ways (prior to the changes). My point was that ,bounty system or not, what op suggested while an interesting idea, should have some sort risk-reward balance feature, in order to not be an unfair reaper nerf.

If they announce it, they should say "ha, take that Reapers"

@personalc0ffee
This sounds a bit like your average PvE servers complaint. Reapers do not need a nerf since they don't have any voyages and are marked on the map so making gold is faster but also riskier to counterbalance this. PvP is not considered negative player interaction, but if you are talking about people violating the pirate code (using slurs,spawncamping,etc.) this isn't limited to reapers but is general toxic behavior and the solution is for these players to be banned. I agree about portal hopping though and hope that the devs will adress in the near future as they did with the red sea.

The idea on its own is not that great, but if you'd add onto it like if a grade 5 athena blocks it, they themselves are on the map to the reapers with a grade 5 athena flag just like how you can see a reaper's emissary grade, then it'd be a little better. overall i dont think reapers need a nerf though, seeing how they're already on the map to everyone from grade 1-4 without being able to see other people themselves, and reapers dont have any voyages so that'd mean if you see an athena emissary on the server there's no incentive to reach grade 5 on reaper besides just the gold bonus, unlike every other emissary which has emissary quests

Honestly this could be cool but the tradeoff would be the grade 5 athena could be seen. I think that would be really cool tbh make Athena even higher risk.

Love the idea. However there would be a lot of salty 12 year olds screaming at the changelog ;)