Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons

@qu1etone said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 I didn't read all your post. But no. Why do people not understand time limited. I'm sorry, but if you were not there then you missed out. Simple as that. Thanks for your understanding. Happy sailing

Time-limited doesn't necessarily mean once and done; it simply means not all of the time. Rare could easily do what the OP suggests and still be true to the phrase.

@targasbr said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

I understand a desire for "exclusivity" but that's all it is, a desire. In a game where the primary form of progression is cosmetic locking so many well-crafted and unique cosmetic sets behind a kind-of arbitrary time-gate seems counter-productive and unfriendly to newer players or those who don't have as much time to devote to the game.

I don't think it's fair to play this game for 5 years doing all the quests that appear, spending hours to get items, watching streams, researching when we will have drops and etc, so that a player who has just arrived has everything without the slightest effort.

But it absolutely is fair - that's 5 years that you get to gloat over others that they will never have. Plus, you'll still have bragging rights regarding how you got it.

It's like if a mountaineer can't gloat about his climb because someone else decided to take a helicopter up to the peak - it in no way diminishes his own personal accomplishment.

@targasbr said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@thedakota1387 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@targasbr it wouldn't be bad if they were added in as commendations like event items usually are but doubloons makes it a little cheap

But they are limited time items.

See my reply above.

@targasbr said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@targasbr I just don't understand why it matters. Cosmetics are there for you to customise your pirate and build a character which fits you, not some collection of glorified service medals. Titles fulfil that role perfectly.

You say "without the slightest effort" despite the fact I mentioned it would be fine to lock the cosmetics behind steep prices and commendations. No one is saying we give out old cosmetics for free to everyone, but it'd be nice to be considerate to those with less time since to reach level 100 in every season, play every event to completion and watch out for every single drop since this isn't realistically something a lot of people can achieve.

If it doesn't matter, it doesn't make sense for people to want something they didn't get when they had the chance. What moves the community and makes players always play is just that, exclusivity. If not, why would I waste my time making the new Adventure when I can get the cosmetic in 2 or 3 years?

It gives newer pirates more reasons to want to set sail - you don't need it because you have already earned it and can continue to look forward to the new horizon.

@targasbr said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@targasbr you play the Adventures for... the actual adventure? The content? The story? The cosmetic is simply a momento, nor do I have an issue with a single compass skin being kept exclusive. I have an issue when an entire cosmetic set or major parts of a cosmetic set are locked behind a time-gate.

I see with you everything is about the cosmetics, not the actual gameplay nor the experience.

If you play for the adventure, content and story, just keep playing, because the cosmetics won't be needed anyway, right?

Hard to make an adventure your own when the only cosmetics you have are the same ones everyone starts with...

@aurash8863 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@targasbr haha I knew you'd use that exact point against me, keep in mind I'm not the one after long-gone cosmetics as I have what I want. I'm considering those who don't have the hours to spare earning all the games cosmetics.

We can play this back and forth game forever but it comes down to something very simple, the purpose of cosmetics is to flesh-out your character and provide players with a goal to work towards and by reintroducing old cosmetics they still serve this purpose in a different form. Time-gating cosmetics is a classic strategy by games to promote a sense of FOMO so to improve player retention. No one would suffer if cosmetic-sets were reintroduced aside from a loud minorities ego, on the other hand a lot of people would be pleased if the same was done.

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@targasbr said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@targasbr haha I knew you'd use that exact point against me, keep in mind I'm not the one after long-gone cosmetics as I have what I want. I'm considering those who don't have the hours to spare earning all the games cosmetics.

We can play this back and forth game forever but it comes down to something very simple, the purpose of cosmetics is to flesh-out your character and provide players with a goal to work towards and by reintroducing old cosmetics they still serve this purpose in a different form. Time-gating cosmetics is a classic strategy by games to promote a sense of FOMO so to improve player retention. No one would suffer if cosmetic-sets were reintroduced aside from a loud minorities ego, on the other hand a lot of people would be pleased if the same was done.

There is no lack of time, there is poor management and lack of interest in an activity.

If you know that the intention of cosmetics is precisely to keep the player in the game so that he has a goal, making the cosmetic come back would just destroy the essence.

Anyone who likes to collect and have something exclusive would suffer. Imagine a person who sdidn't sleep one night to have a unique cosmetic see their item come back for some doubloons, I don't think it's fair.

Items always come back, but they come back with different colors, such as the Bone Crusher or even the new Legendary Weapons that are to come.

No lack of time? Try telling that the the Arena crowd. 😏

It's also not about what you think. It's about what Rare thinks. 😉

Also, reskins/recolors by their very nature are NOT the same. ⛔️

@targasbr said:

There's still enough time to complete the arena, a friend of mine did on a secondary account created two weeks ago.

I call bull on this. 240 wins, and hundreds of kills with each weapon, and all of the commendations done already? No way he could actually do that unless he isn't working/going to school and is actively boosting/cheating the system.

it would be very unfair to those who actually spend time in the game.

And what about those who are new who also want to spend more time upon the Sea? Is it fair to them? No, it isn't. Everyone who has an expressed interest in being a part of the community, whether they joined years ago or tomorrow, should have the opportunity to experience EVERYTHING the Sea has to offer. That's what will make the Sea last a lifetime.

I really have no idea what the difference is

Then you must be colorblind. 😒

@calicorsaircat said:

That being said, I am a strong advocate of making twitch drops available later at a cost, except I believe this should cost ancient coins personally. Rare should profit off of these, and it is a missed revenue opportunity on top of the value they already get in drawing people to twitch. I've posted before that it is possible they are forbidden, contractually, from making these available elsewhere through a kind of agreement with Twitch, as I cannot see any reason not to re-release these in the emporium 3 or so months after they initially drop.

I certainly hope it's not due to contractual reasons, because I would love for the Twitch drops to be more widely available - even for ancient coins.

@fred-fisheye said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@galactic-geek sagte in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

And what about those who are new who also want to spend more time upon the Sea? Is it fair to them?

Still fair, yes. If you‘ve been there to complete the challenge, you‘ll get the reward. If you haven’t been there, you won’t. Perfectly fair.

I mean, it’s not like new Players will never get the chance to earn exclusive items. There are plenty of opportunities for them as well.

New pirates will never get to experience a lot of things (think Hungering Deep and other events), and thus will never be able to experience everything the Sea has had to offer. As for exclusive items, sure they will get some, but only for as long as the Sea receives developmental support. I like to think that the Sea is endless, and every last drop of it should be celebrated by anyone with even a remote interest in its luster.

Inherently, being a pirate from the old waves (the 1980s), I miss the ships (games) that had everything to offer from the get-go - not this whole mercenary racket they've got going (games as a service). It's a good business model, sure, but it doesn't leave much of a legacy for future generations (think of a particular red-hatted pirate with a penchant for pipes, as an example), because that ship will have long been sunk and lost to the depths. I don't know about you, but when I retire from pirating, I would absolutely love for my kin to pick up the anchor and sail off to find a new horizon from the legacy I left them. A lifespan of only 10 years ensures that that will never happen.

@targasbr said:

He had a goal of at least 20 wins a day, and as he was an NAL competitor this was insanely easy.

An NAL Competitor? That's hardly your average pirate. He's an outlier - it's like saying the average Joe can win this year's Olympics because my friend, the Olympian, did it 4 years ago, pre-Covid/sports scandals.

New players can get new cosmetics, many are yet to come, it's simple.

And yet they will never have access to ALL OF THEM. What if a particular set that fits their sense of style (think frozen set) that they want is entirely unavailable simply because they started late?

Or maybe in my native language there is no difference between the two words. In addition to having to adapt to a language that is not spoken in my country, do I need to learn the meaning of all the words?

You don't have a word in your native language for color? I kinda thought that was 1 of the universal aspects of, well, everything...

@captain-coel said in Reintroduce Old Seasonal + Twitch Drop Cosmetics For Doubloons:

@aurash8863 Im of the mindset to keep them locked. Introducing recolors and new sets is good for everyone playing

Only if those sets are complete and can match/blend with other sets. Most of the time, in my experience, they aren't and don't.

@targasbr said:

An average player can do in four weeks or less

Only if they don't have a good quality of life (work or school or family obligations) and abuse the system (e.g., an allied server). In other words, anything but average...

That's why Its called time-limited.

I have already explicitly defined exactly what time-limited means in numerous posts.

I don't have Ferryman or the coffee emote because its impossible to buy it on my country, should I ask to release these items to everyone?

Well, yes. It's a quality emote locked away behind a sham of a promotion.

If the developers wanted to seriously promote their game, they would have made a game with quality, accessible content and gameplay as close to absent as they could get in regards to bugs, and perhaps even have a Superbowl commercial. Instead we get a pretty seashell with nothing in it, or at least a crab that really only shows its cute face every 3 months.