Cheater reporting system - Season 1

  • CroakyTomato806
    Marauder
    Founder

    With Season 1 and the "discontinuation" of the Arena, all the PvP players are drawn back to Adventure Mode. Everything is fine so far, but when you suddenly meet players again with the double shot (pistol/sniper rifle) and then teleport to the ship with an explosive barrel.

    I think you should just slowly introduce a clean reporting system and not handle this via the xBox app, because the app is just bad in contrast to other "gaming platforms".

    I've enjoyed playing the game since release.... but the cheaters and the reporting system is really bad.

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  • Jackal Cabooze
    Marauder
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    @croakytomato806 do you have footage of teleporting or did they just climb your ladder.

  • doormaat
    Ship Mate
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    @croakytomato806 using flintlock and eye of reach is not exploiting

  • Riesenbroiler
    Seafarer

    Ok, so this is normal gameplay?

    not using a scope but hitting everything, and instant weapon switching.
    On min 2.31 he is shooting with the blunderbuss then the sniper and is instant reloading the blunderbuss.
    Looks like scripting for me

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    Cheating exists but isn't a problem.

    More and more people play this game which means less and less of the top players are gonna have a chance of being on your server so overall you're safer than ever

    Cheaters aren't any good. Skilled pvpers are well rounded with skill, that is how it's known that cheating isn't any significant issue. Cheating doesn't make a team coordinated it doesn't make people good at boarding or sailing or strategy.

    The game already took a hit because of people filling the pot with a bunch on nonsense reports about toxicity and cheating after losing in a game. We don't need any more of that in adventure

  • CroakyTomato806
    Marauder
    Founder

    @wolfmanbush

    I agree, but it wasn't because of the ship battle either, there we defeated them pretty quickly and they sank. However, this is of little use if you need 4 men to kill one because he comes around the corner with scripts or teleports directly through the ship's wall with barrels.
    I'm generally about a reasonable reporting system if you already introduce seasons and want to fill the adventure mode with more PvP.

  • SOT Player30
    Master

    @riesenbroiler On 2:31 it literally just cuts to a different clip. If you pay attention you can clearly see the background and boat colour change. As for the no scopes while these are hard to hit due to the inaccuracy it's not impossible and the chance is certainly higher if you go for it often and learn how they work. However the rest of the clips are 100% achievable without any sort of hacks. Also instant weapon switching isn't hacks you just sprint in between shooting. While you can pretty much almost instantly swap there is still always a one second delay between when you can shoot. You should probably do more research before calling hacks. PS. Just because this player hits everything in the montage doesn't mean they are always this good and hit everything. And they could still be hacking but these clips are achievable without hacks.

  • SOT Player30
    Master

    @croakytomato806 This could just be lag or you simply being out skilled and not realizing what happened. I've had plenty of people accuse me of hacking because I use strategies, know about bugs or have skills that are second nature to me but are unknown to my opponent. For example full on Wall banging (when it was in the game), shooting through the decking grates, x cancelling, ladder duking, just having good aim, jumping off the ladder and shooting, having good movement, sometimes even just lag or hit reg favouring me, and more stuff I'm too dumb to remember.

  • Lukadra
    Commander
    Insider

    This game is full of people who are incredibly fast to accuse others of cheating/hacking. Happens almost regularly to our crew. Just because someone actually know how to play the game or actually aim and utilize movement and strategy doesn't make them cheaters.

  • Galactic Geek
    Seafarer
    Founder

    Record yourself losing to what you perceive to be an unfair fight, and then watch it. You might be surprised at what you learn about yourself, your mistakes, what actually happened, and how you can adjust to become a better pirate.

  • mferr11
    Vanguard
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    @riesenbroiler said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Looks like scripting for me

    Nope, just swapping weapons after shooting. It's not that hard to do.

  • Stundorn
    Castaway
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    @riesenbroiler sagte in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Ok, so this is normal gameplay?

    not using a scope but hitting everything, and instant weapon switching.
    On min 2.31 he is shooting with the blunderbuss then the sniper and is instant reloading the blunderbuss.
    Looks like scripting for me

    i think the video doesnt show any cheats or so, but it's perfect evidence for playertypes that only PvP , train skills in Arena to stopm on advenure players.
    And Arena casued this and gave these players a training ground to be then elitist and very often derogative about their fellow players in Advenure Mode.
    Arena attracted a different kind of player to a pirate adventure roleplaygame with PvP, but no focus on PvP.

    Developers and Publishers want everybody as a customer, this "greed" or economic thinking of any company leads to many online games having bad communities or elitist communities what are completely casual unfriendly.
    At the same time, the games get nerfed and easier and things like the seasons level are relatively easy to accomplish, PvE gets nerfed to please the more casual gaming players and make the hardcore players upset, because everything was 10 times harder before. Does nobody recognize that at least since Burning Crusade this is the standard?
    It was maybe even before that.
    Both groups never fit together and will allways create drama.

    But from an economic POV drama is bad news, but bad news are still news, the game is highlighted even when the one groups complains about it is too easy and the other the pvpers are too hardcore, the game is still in everyones thoughts and such.

    All they want is customers and money and they dont care for what they say in the Pirate Code imho. Or at best they care for it seconded, when most players would want a more homogeneous community and all have fun, it is obviously that this is not what brings you more cash.

    I really hate they made Arena and it spoiled a lot for me, only hope i have is it gets shut down and the hardcore PvPers and exploiters and such vanish over time - also to reduce all the trashtalk and immature behaviour you meet online.

    btw it will become more bad with private servers where people can learn to exploit more easy and have 24 players in their session to train shooting etc...

    The regular player stands no chance, no matter what you do. If i meet crews like that i try to spoil them and sail into the shroud and if this doesnt work i immediatly scuttle and change server.
    Fortunately only happens once a month or so.

    to me this is like i ask some kids to do some sparring with me, when i have trained martial arts for 30 years and then mock about them beeing so bad, slow, blind and weak ^^

    whenever a pro PvPers plays games like fortnite or SoT and thinks he's so good when he is getting many kills, then this means nothing about his skill.
    Skill is only shown if you compete with at least equal strong, but even better with stronger and better players than you are.
    There you can improve and show your skill.
    Winners dont show any skill if they fought less trained or weaker opponents.
    If you are the underdog and win, then you showed you are skilled and trained etc...

    What we have today as a "competetive" culture on Twitch is more like a bad copy from real competition.
    I apreciate a good ESL Tournament with equally skilled gamers competing.
    But not online jerks who bragg around beating some noobs and then feel beeing "skilled" players.
    Recent discussion about reverseboosting shows clearly what kind of bad sportmanship most competetive streamers have and the sadest about it all is they mostly seem to even not get it by themself, but really beliefe they are good :P

  • Jackal Cabooze
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    @riesenbroiler don't get me wrong I know people run around with an aim bot there is videos online about it. But anyone can clip a ton of hits in a video. Also if you shoot your gun the put it away and pull it back out it faster than waiting for the reload.

  • Stundorn
    Castaway
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    @jackal-cabooze sagte in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Also if you shoot your gun the put it away and pull it back out it faster than waiting for the reload.

    what for example is a bad mechanic and not really skillbased, but just a glitch.

  • Lukadra
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    i think the video doesnt show any cheats or so, but it's perfect evidence for playertypes that only PvP , train skills in Arena to stopm on advenure players.

    And Arena casued this and gave these players a training ground to be then elitist and very often derogative about their fellow players in Advenure Mode.

    I believe those players are called either sweats or tryhards, not TDMers. I see them getting mixed up a lot. Still nothing wrong with wanting to train your skills and get better at something.

    I really hate they made Arena and it spoiled a lot for me, only hope i have is it gets shut down and the hardcore PvPers and exploiters and such vanish over time - also to reduce all the trashtalk and immature behaviour you meet online.

    In my experience 95% of toxic and rude communication comes from PvE players either through voicechat or xbox messages.

    btw it will become more bad with private servers where people can learn to exploit more easy and have 24 players in their session to train shooting etc...

    Funny thing about private servers is that when they come, Alliance servers (according to their earliest posts where they said they only want the PvE, and what started that whole thing) should move there, which I strongly doubt but guess we'll see... but TDM lobbies most likely actually will move there for their events. Only ones who won't are the tryhards and in my guess alliance server players who are already used to their easy money/reputation making methods and don't want to give that up.

    But hey you know what, fortunately there is a way anyone can get better if they want to, just challenge your skills and practice. Your choice if you don't want to improve yourself.

  • Wander1934
    Castaway

    Well, it seems that the start of Season 1 has brought all the cheater kiddies back to the game. In just two days we have been facing invulnerable enemies, possible wallhack, teleporting, auto-aim and have gotten one hit killed with swords from full health repeatedly.

    In two weeks of non-season, we hadn't encountered any cheaters whatsoever.

    Don't know if me and my crew will continue playing much, if at all. [mod edited]

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    @wander1934 said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Well, it seems that the start of Season 1 has brought all the cheater kiddies back to the game. In just two days we have been facing invulnerable enemies, possible wallhack, teleporting, auto-aim and have gotten one hit killed with swords from full health repeatedly.

    In two weeks of non-season, we hadn't encountered any cheaters whatsoever.

    Don't know if me and my crew will continue playing much, if at all. For any cheaters/exploiters out there, we really hope your kneecaps get busted with a sledgehammer.

    The only current cheaters that you are likely to run into are flameheart's personal bodyguards at this time

  • JadeScissors32
    Castaway

    @lukadra Yup , as soon as Private servers are available I am getting one, this will be available as PVP/TDM training ground for crews to learn how to cooperate and get into working together. That way whole crew can train so they can go to adventure servers as trained team.

  • Lukadra
    Commander
    Insider

    @wander1934
    just out of curiosity, how long have you been playing?

  • Limend
    Lord
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    @lukadra said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    @wander1934
    just out of curiosity, how long have you been playing?

    His firs commendation is from 19 of January 2021

  • Wander1934
    Castaway

    Yep, I'm a new player. Been engaging these past two weeks in both PvE and PvP. Win or lose, nothing stood out as suspicious until the season patch hit. Happens every time there's new content, in basically every online game ever.

    Been playing PC games for 30 years. I know the drill with cheats and/or exploits in the PC gaming world. I don't actually care if it's one or the other if the result amounts to the same. Anyone deluding themselves into believing there aren't, or that they are ultra rare, in this game or for any online game, well, I don't know what to say to you. Either you fool yourselves, or you have some ulterior motive which I don't really care about.

    Casually dismissing my experience as a new player won't do any good for anyone, or for the game itself. I couldn't care less about losing a PvP battle in some random online game, but I take serious issue with abusers ruining games for others, especially if the game is good and fun, like SoT. If the response's gonna be a head-in-the-sand type one, guess I'm done here.

  • D3ADST1CK
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    @wander1934 said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Casually dismissing my experience as a new player won't do any good for anyone, or for the game itself. I couldn't care less about losing a PvP battle in some random online game, but I take serious issue with abusers ruining games for others, especially if the game is good and fun, like SoT. If the response's gonna be a head-in-the-sand type one, guess I'm done here.

    People are dismissing you because you are claiming things which are flat out impossible, even with cheats. You can't teleport or modify health or damage because these are both server controlled.

  • Wander1934
    Castaway

    @d3adst1ck dijo en Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    @wander1934 said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    Casually dismissing my experience as a new player won't do any good for anyone, or for the game itself. I couldn't care less about losing a PvP battle in some random online game, but I take serious issue with abusers ruining games for others, especially if the game is good and fun, like SoT. If the response's gonna be a head-in-the-sand type one, guess I'm done here.

    People are dismissing you because you are claiming things which are flat out impossible, even with cheats. You can't teleport or modify health or damage because these are both server controlled.

    I know what I saw, and what my friends and I experienced. You say it's impossible, ok (I assume the devs said those things are handled server-side; hint: sometimes devs don't tell the truth). If what happened to us came to be via cheats, exploits, or just bugs/lag compensation is irrelevant. We've lost many battles in which we were simply outplayed, but this was not the case. And it's happened to us several times in the course of just two days (if it was only once you wouldn't see me complaining here).

    Anyway, let's just keep hiding our heads in the sand. It's what's most profitable, probably.

  • Stundorn
    Castaway
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    @lukadra sagte in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    But hey you know what, fortunately there is a way anyone can get better if they want to, just challenge your skills and practice. Your choice if you don't want to improve yourself.

    I went to the Pirate Adventure Playground to play Pirate adventurers and mess around and do fun fights at best.
    Not to Sports Academy ground to improve any Skill.
    My Skill is fine as it is.
    Problem is Sport students come
    to spoil my fun beeing so eager and sweaty playing Pirate.

    Your choice if you don't want to improve yourself.

    Do you realizehow elitist that is?
    Do you realize how this is not playfull at all but a meritocracy thinking?

    Its deep into majoritys mind, everything need to be improved right.
    How you sit, breath, sleep... and of cause how you play Games.

    sorry not my cup of tea.

  • Lukadra
    Commander
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    @stundorn
    If you are content with your skill then there is no need to complain that there is someone better than you.

    Really? What makes wanting to improve oneself elitist? It's basic human nature to want to be good at something.

    I also went to Pirate Adventure Playground but I guess I also put in some effort as well to my studies and still want to keep learning more.

    If it's not your cup of tea then why do you keep getting seconds?

  • Lukadra
    Commander
    Insider

    @Wander1934
    I'm not saying that there aren't cheaters in this game or any other. Just that the game has many intricasies that new players don't maybe know about and can easily see why they would think someone is cheating or hacking. The game has a long history with hitreg issues that make some people seem invulnerable to anyone who doesn't know about it. Every update also brings back the playerbase who has completed everything from the previous one and has been waiting for new stuff to do, meaning a lot more players which also means increased server issues.

    Not knowing the details of your encounter I can't really make more than guesses to what happened.

    Wallhack as in shooting through walls? = Game itself does not let this happen
    Or just knowing your position? = Could be a player with good tracking skill or just reaction time when they see you again

    Teleporting? My best guess you were on a sloop, enemy went down, you followed and they came back from behind you? = Sloop has a ladder that some players frequently use to do exactly that.
    Or lag issues that make them warp back and forth?

    Auto-Aim/Aimbot/what you want to call it, while I do believe could exist and be encountered, you are more likely to have ran into one of the better crews that roam the seas.

    Getting one hit from a sword repeatedly I just would have to see before I can belive. Can't really say anything about that without knowing more details.

    Again, not saying it's impossible to encounter cheaters or that you personally didn't, just that it's also not impossible to be wrong about it.

  • JadeScissors32
    Castaway

    @wander1934 So the problem is this game has still so many bugs that you never know if its people cheating, exploiting or game itself doing something that does not supposed to.
    Teleporting does exists but at this point I think its game doing it 90 % of the time. What happens on the person screen they will be swimming with the keg, climb your ladder and walk to the bottom of the ship. On your screen you see nothing until server send you update and person suddenly is in your ship with keg lighted up. I see people teleporting across ship all the time on Arena. Seen in adventure mode.
    Another item is crazy hitreg. Depending on the day Some players are unkillable one moment, that you one shoot them seemingly with out aiming. I seen cases that one shoot would kill and we all were stunned, just few seconds later another person gets one shoot kill. Nobody is cheating because people broadcasting and you can see their view.
    Feel free to join chorus of voices complaining about bugs.

  • Latro7553
    Seafarer

    Been playing for only 5–6 weeks and have been accused cheating of several times. I take it as a compliment, but I've started recording my encounters, just in case I'm getting actioned based on false reports.

    https://streamable.com/b4pglm

    This was 3rd and 4th time I killed this guy (he sunk my ship while I was checking Pirate Emporium, so decided to show him I don't need my ship to defeat him). As you can see, I'm not cheating. In fact, I'm a mediocre player.

    After 20 years of online gaming, I know how to recognize cheaters, and seen none in this game. Cheaters will probably never be a serious presence, because few players would want to risk losing all their progress and cosmetics. It's the best deterrent in this kind of game.

  • promotordj
    Legend
    Insider

    @wander1934 I don’t think anyone is casually dismissing anything you are saying or your vast experience with PC gaming. I think all the Vets that are responding in this post (myself included) have seen some pretty weird stuff when it comes to this game. It’s been attributed to server lag, or hit reg, or simply a glitch in the ship or environment model due to network issue. I myself have definitely seen some strange things and experienced some strange things for which others could decry “hack”.

    For example: I play on Xbox. There was one instance where I was swimming to board a ship which was sailing at full speed. My alignment was off and I ended up hitting the bottom of the ship. I should have been pushed underwater, but my character glitched into the wall of the ship. I was stuck there for maybe 30 seconds or so as a part of the wall. I could see both inside the ship, as well as outside. Then suddenly, my character was inside the ship on mid-deck. I don’t hack, cheat, etc. It was just a weird glitch that I can’t explain. It hasn’t happened again.

  • Wander1934
    Castaway

    It's OK, thanks for all your responses. I don't necessarily (I said so above) attribute all my woes to hacks, in fact, it makes no difference to me if my experience was caused by hacks or just buggy code, which can also explain many if not all the suspicious events I witnessed. I just wanted to share it, because in my opinion it is problematic for this game (a good game) to suffer from this, especially where new players are concerned.

    Have a good day y'all.

  • TenMuses3693
    Ship Mate
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    @wolfmanbush

    Cheating does exist and it is a problem.
    There are some really good players that can sprint exploit the weapon changes and flick like they were born to it.
    Most, though, are cheating. When a ship is down and the other player is consistently hitting me and my teammate through a vision obstructing sail, I'm pretty sure he's cheating.
    The standard response of "it's not a problem" is BS. The standard instruction of "report it!" is also inadequate - I'm in the middle of a game - so it's my job to stop everything and upload a video??? This is on Microsoft and Rare. They need to invest resources into stopping this.
    But they won't. They have already made the decision that they are going to maximize revenue by trying to attract new players through content. It's plainly evident that Bug fixes and cheat management are not priorities for them.
    Let's see how long it takes before this non-flattering thread is locked....

  • WolfManbush
    Champion

    @cosmic-doyen-00 said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    @wolfmanbush

    Cheating does exist and it is a problem.
    There are some really good players that can sprint exploit the weapon changes and flick like they were born to it.
    Most, though, are cheating. When a ship is down and the other player is consistently hitting me and my teammate through a vision obstructing sail, I'm pretty sure he's cheating.
    The standard response of "it's not a problem" is BS. The standard instruction of "report it!" is also inadequate - I'm in the middle of a game - so it's my job to stop everything and upload a video??? This is on Microsoft and Rare. They need to invest resources into stopping this.
    But they won't. They have already made the decision that they are going to maximize revenue by trying to attract new players through content. It's plainly evident that Bug fixes and cheat management are not priorities for them.
    Let's see how long it takes before this non-flattering thread is locked....

    Cheat management is enough of a priority to where I've maybe seen it a couple of times in thousands of hours of gameplay and hundreds and hundreds of battles

    Most odd things can easily be lag or server issues. I've played games where cheating is not only evident but game breaking and this isn't even close to one of them.

    People scream cheating because they lost a fight and let their emotions get the best of them about it.

    It's not hard for developers to crack down on cheating when they want to. There will always be private cheats ahead of the game but the access to that stuff will always be extremely limited and controlled and you're never likely to come across anyone involved in a serious cheating operation with limited interactions we have in the game

    Never been proven to be a problem to any significant degree

    There is a very competitive and skilled portion of the base in this game. No reason for them to cheat as they have the abilities to take out a majority of the players without much effort and cheaters vs skills you're best bet is on the skilled pirate in the fight

  • Limend
    Lord
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    @cosmic-doyen-00 said in Cheater reporting system - Season 1:

    @wolfmanbush

    The standard response of "it's not a problem" is BS. The standard instruction of "report it!" is also inadequate - I'm in the middle of a game - so it's my job to stop everything and upload a video??? This is on Microsoft and Rare. They need to invest resources into stopping this.

    They do use resourses but problem is that people like you report anyone whos better than them or without any evidenses so it's useless and only crouds their support line.

    Also xbox (microsoft) have their own report system but as they get all reports from every game on xbox they may not do anything for few slurs even when rare would.

  • Lukadra
    Commander
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    @cosmic-doyen-00
    Oh boy I sure hope you started playing only after they got rid of shooting through ship walls if you claim cheating so easily. There are some really proficient players out there who could shoot pretty much exactly where they wanted to through the hulls if they had reason to believe someone was there, for example repairing a hole or trying to hide in a very common spot.

    Yes cheating exists, it is a problem, but if everyone who were accused of cheating were instantly banned there wouldn't be anyone to play the game.

    Best we can do as players is to record proof of what we think is cheating and report it to rare and microsoft, who should then inspect and act accordingly.

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