This game has a serious bully problem.

  • Before you come to tell me to "Git Gud" understand that this is coming from a very experienced veteran player. I was defending these kids a week ago, but after the past 2 days of literally not being able to do anything but fight...well i cant ignore it anymore.

    Myself and alot of friends prefer the sloop, but the past two days we have been getting rushed almost nonstop, no matter what server we are in. Its like there's been a sudden influx in aggressive players.

    When i say bullies, understand that I dont mean they are sinking me or that they are good. Usually in true bully fashion they cant back up their persona.

    Just yesterday I had 2 seperate instances of galleons rolling up on my sloop screaming racial slurs and swearing at me. They killed all my animals for my merchant mission and decided they needed to sink my ship. in both cases I fought off every single person that climbed aboard mine and blew several holes in there ship and boarded them before they could run away...because they always run when you put up a fight. I ended up sinking them in both occurrences by simply defending the holes i made.

    I won, but they still got what they wanted, they ruined my fun, they killed the animals I had visited 4 or 5 islands for, and set me back about an hours worth of playtime. They werent there to steal, they were there to cause trouble, and scream racial slur.

    I love this game but we need a way to deal with players like this or you wont find many players sticking around, its only gonna escalate. they are always in noob clothes because they arent looking for gold, they just want to sink people.

    They are always too scared to go for a galleon.

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  • @gigglesnarf great game but the verbal abuse or should i say 90% of it being racial abuse is getting out of hand, for me the racial slurs usually start when i dont fight back when i have no loot on board, once they realise they spent 10 min chasing me and wasting time i am every racial slur ever invented lol

    and im a bad player for not leaving loot for them to get or not running when they chase me, whats the point if i have nothing on board, im would rather scuttle the ship to stop them getting extra cannonballs which really annoys them lol

  • When this happens I laugh, I absolutely love when someone rolls up acting like a damn fool for them to only be sank, camped, and leave the server.

  • The cause of the bully problem is the lack of interesting content. Fix that, fix the bully problem.

  • @gigglesnarf said in This game has a serious bully problem.:

    Before you come to tell me to "Git Gud" understand that this is coming from a very experienced veteran player. I was defending these kids a week ago, but after the past 2 days of literally not being able to do anything but fight...well i cant ignore it anymore.

    Myself and alot of friends prefer the sloop, but the past two days we have been getting rushed almost nonstop, no matter what server we are in. Its like there's been a sudden influx in aggressive players.

    When i say bullies, understand that I dont mean they are sinking me or that they are good. Usually in true bully fashion they cant back up their persona.

    Just yesterday I had 2 seperate instances of galleons rolling up on my sloop screaming racial slurs and swearing at me. They killed all my animals for my merchant mission and decided they needed to sink my ship. in both cases I fought off every single person that climbed aboard mine and blew several holes in there ship and boarded them before they could run away...because they always run when you put up a fight. I ended up sinking them in both occurrences by simply defending the holes i made.

    I won, but they still got what they wanted, they ruined my fun, they killed the animals I had visited 4 or 5 islands for, and set me back about an hours worth of playtime. They werent there to steal, they were there to cause trouble, and scream racial slur.

    I love this game but we need a way to deal with players like this or you wont find many players sticking around, its only gonna escalate. they are always in noob clothes because they arent looking for gold, they just want to sink people.

    They are always too scared to go for a galleon.

    People are getting bored, boredom of voyages and the realization that legendary pirate is not even worth the tedious grind people are starting to turn to full on PVP. I am one of them I don't even get chests anymore even if a ship I sink has loads on I don't even bother getting them and if I do happen to have chests onboard I'm no longer afraid to engage in combat like I used to be for fear of losing my chests.

  • I noticed the same surge in agressivity (both in game and in the forum), and I guess the reason is that the less agressive players got bored of being bullied and left the game. Most of my friends did. :'/

  • @dairadh well Rare has put their foot down on the idea of PvE servers or Solo only mode so a bunch of people probably were like "okay screw you then" and with people getting all upset of the pirate legend status (seriously, you guys are missing the point of this game) you have people like the guy above you who just want them to make it battleships with no PvE nonsense.

  • @d0wnt0wn711 I'm seriously scared that this game gained such a toxic rep and ingame behaviour this fast. The sailing mechanics are so cool and the waves so beautiful I deeply hope RARE will keep the ship from drowning x_x

  • It's not even people bullying other crews, they started to bully their own crews. Drop chests and skulls into the ocean before they can be delivered, exploding gunpowder barrels on the ship, it's bad out there.

  • You know, I don't buy the whole lack of content argument for toxic behavior. I say that because I don't think content alone will change anyone's ways. If anything content only serves as a temporary distraction.

    If a person was toxic before they start on content, they will probably still be toxic after consuming that content. Either that or they ignore the new content and will still be toxic. After all, their source of entertainment isn't what the game offers, but rather making someone else be miserable. No amount of content will fix that.

    You can be bored of the game and still be nice you know. And I am referring to toxic behavior (slurs) and not the PvP side of things. Wanting to pick a fight is fine. But constant harassment and insults is not cool.

  • @gigglesnarf as far as I know, rare has given you all the tools you need to deal with players like that:
    Weapons, a ship, a scuttle/leave game option, and the ability to mute other crews.
    That's more thought than was put into quests by the looks of it!

  • That’s what happens in games with very limited content. People get bored, and now it’s all out war because that’s really all there is to do in the games current state.

  • @d0wnt0wn711 said in This game has a serious bully problem.:

    @dairadh well Rare has put their foot down on the idea of PvE servers or Solo only mode so a bunch of people probably were like "okay screw you then" and with people getting all upset of the pirate legend status (seriously, you guys are missing the point of this game) you have people like the guy above you who just want them to make it battleships with no PvE nonsense.

    Dude i'm all for PvE trust me I can grind for hours on PvE games like Black desert online and I mean hours non stop without getting bored but the PvE in this game is an absolute JOKE...Who here has fun running into 10 skeletons all firing shots at the same time, who here wants to get spam hit by super fast melee attacking skeletons that ignore every shot you put on them other than the 3rd hit, you are lucky to get a 3rd hit with how quickly they mob you its just not fun what so ever. They are also buggy and you end up inside them or they are doing other animations like blocking and still somehow managing to hit you.

  • @mcdoll we need a report feature and when you get killed or they sink you, it should show their gamertag. It's not that easy to pay attention to that stuff while fighting. I'm all for PvP but it's gotten so bad that these kids are actively seeking out sloop specifically because they think it won't be a challenge.

  • @roosterhome this, i agree with, the PvE is so lacking, and with so much effort put into ship combat people just assume that's what the game is about. there needs to be multi stage voyages that go to multiple islands and are worth more treasure, and some islands are so pathetic... like 2 blocks of sand with a tree gets a name and everything. there needs to be more big islands that have mysteries to uncover, skeletons need to be BETTER because as AI enemies they suck and offer little challenge and most of the time, the rewards aren't even worth fighting them. i think it would be awesome if skeleton forts could kill the s**t out of you so maybe forcing you to team up with another 4-man to beat them, instead of them being farming/pseudo-PvP zones

  • @gigglesnarf LOL

    Pirates are mean!

  • @roosterhome same, Pve would be nice at some point at least.

  • @pleasantcarnage no need for the racist abuse though. and dont give me well pirates did that as well, this is a game and if everything is fare game because you use the word pirates tehn maybe we should all download game hacks and cheat because you know "pirates"

    and pirates were never the blood thirsty killers people thought they were, they never fought each other as it was to costly and they ran away like alot, pirate tactics were swoop in sink the stragler lagging behind and run of before the east india trading companies ships could turn round and blast them to hell.

    most big pirates were legendary not because of how many ships they sunk but for how long they never got caught. (usually because they ran away)

    everybody's idea of blood thirsty no good cheating pirates come from movies and tv shows

  • You know nothing Jon Snow.

  • @cavemancronch this, they should add godmode and no-clip as options in the menu if "there's no rules, everyone is out for themselves"

  • @program-024 said in This game has a serious bully problem.:

    You know, I don't buy the whole lack of content argument for toxic behavior. I say that because I don't think content alone will change anyone's ways. If anything content only serves as a temporary distraction.

    If a person was toxic before they start on content, they will probably still be toxic after consuming that content. Either that or they ignore the new content and will still be toxic. After all, their source of entertainment isn't what the game offers, but rather making someone else be miserable. No amount of content will fix that.

    You can be bored of the game and still be nice you know. And I am referring to toxic behavior (slurs) and not the PvP side of things. Wanting to pick a fight is fine. But constant harassment and insults is not cool.

    I think you nailed it right here. Personally I have had very few issues from Racial slurs, Cussing, name calling and so on. But those I have had, left me scratching my head. I suck at PvP (always have) but I still engage, and I have fun doing it. Until someone starts flapping their lips. I have pretty much decided I am done with proximity chat. Thats a bad thing, because now if someone wanted to be friendly, I will never know!

  • @touchdown1504 proximity chat is useless at the moment. most players fire at you before it comes into range anyway, it has gotten to the point were everyone is sick of getting sunk while trying to be friendly it has started to be a shoot first ask questions later, now you have to assume that any ship that comes near you just wants to sink you

  • @gigglesnarf
    To an extent, I agree with you. But I don't think it will get worse, I think it will get better. #1 the game is getting fairly poor reviews on youtube. Everyone says the same thing, repetitive and no content. Now after watching Prod1gyX meta game his way to Pirate Legend we see that pirate legend is just more carrot in front of the mule content with no true reward... Yeah, a cave with some water, some ghosts, some cheese jokes, and HUGE missions that will take hours to complete that you can't pause in. Only people who enjoy the game and the scenery will stay. Along with that game pass free trial will end soon. No, my friend, I think actually what will happen is that this trend will fade. Of course there will always be piracy. It's a pirate game. We can't get upset when people pirate us. At least we shouldn't in a pirate game.
    How else was an open pvp world with open coms going to go? Next people will start saying that they think people are inherently good!

  • @d0wnt0wn711 said in This game has a serious bully problem.:

    @roosterhome this, i agree with, the PvE is so lacking, and with so much effort put into ship combat people just assume that's what the game is about. there needs to be multi stage voyages that go to multiple islands and are worth more treasure, and some islands are so pathetic... like 2 blocks of sand with a tree gets a name and everything. there needs to be more big islands that have mysteries to uncover, skeletons need to be BETTER because as AI enemies they suck and offer little challenge and most of the time, the rewards aren't even worth fighting them. i think it would be awesome if skeleton forts could kill the s**t out of you so maybe forcing you to team up with another 4-man to beat them, instead of them being farming/pseudo-PvP zones

    PVE stuff is a real ball ache. I am still only lvl 20 for gold hoarders but after doing 3 missions I expect to have more than 2 seafarers chest and 3 maunders. That's it 3 quests lvl 20! I got more from 1 single ship wreck!

  • @program-024
    Thank you! That's exactly what I usually think. The game needs a beef up on types of mission but it doesn't lack content. People are, in general a*****s, it doesn't matter if the game has content or not.

    If they are bored I'm sure this is not the only game they have. Go play something else and don't ruin it for everyone that enjoys it because they don't.

  • In defence of the bullies:

    They're bored. And when people are bored they start fires, they loot shops, they fight, they poke things, they yell things, make their own fun. In Sea of Thieves people need other people to fight. That's one of the ingredients on the back of the box (and in the trailers!)

    Rare hold the cards. They need to refine the match making system in a way that attempts to put more aggressive players with one another. So ships highly likely to attack other ships are put on the same server. I'm not talking about separate servers that would require more front end complications; I'm talking about a 'clever' matchmaking system that puts the same kinds of players on the same servers, leaving Daisy and Flo to dig up chests and letting SlayerX and iDestroy93 shoot eachother all the way to the seabed.

    BUT...

    In defence of Rare... we're just getting started. Lots of people are (rightly and helpfully) voicing their opinions which will help set a better course for the game. But that will take time, transparency, and humility (on everyone's part) so give it time. I'm sure the experience will only get better for everyone.

  • @gigglesnarf I think its more than verbal, I would like to see a Non-PVP mode or a mode where if you enter a outpost, it becomes a safe zone. I am playing this game from a Gamepass trial, but I have zero interest in playing this game further because all you can do is fight. Eventually, the only ones left will be the bullies and the game will feel empty. The fighting part is interesting and can be fun, but that's all you can do right now in this game. You cannot explore and fight skeletons b/c you have to sit and defend your ship 99.999% of the time. There is no balance. Its just fight. Boring in my opinion if I am limited to playing the game one way. Maybe this game is just not my cup of tea.

  • the game is getting stupid with pvp, i watched three crews battle for 2 hours over a skull fort last night and that was whilst i was there i have no idea how much time they had spent fighting before i got there and i cant believe the treasure is worth that much time as during the time i watched i them i completed 5 gold hoarders quest and made 24k

  • Well this can be answered the same way as every post criticizing toxic player or griefers: It's a pirate game! Do you think pirates talked very nicely to their victims?

  • @cavemancronch Exactly. I have no ideas for a solution to this, but it sure makes this game a big disappointment. I was so looking forward to "Loose Alliances" and that sort of thing. That has gone out the window over the past week. I hate to admit it, I am more likely to shoot first now than I ever was before. Not the way I want to play, but it is the way I am being forced to play. Total B****r, things could have been so much different.

  • @cinnumann maybe we should all download hacks then because you know pirates,

  • @gigglesnarf "I love this game but we need a way to deal with players like this or you wont find many players sticking around, its only gonna escalate. they are always in noob clothes because they arent looking for gold, they just want to sink people."

    Okay so here's the deal... There is PvP, some people do PvP because that's all they care about, if you have a problem with that, you chose the wrong game to play, it's a pirate game.

    Also, if we start policing HOW the PvP should be used, people are going to be afraid of playing the game out of fear of being banned for doing PvP, this will cause the game to die within a week of such a change being implemented.

    People will not do as you want them to, just because it's inconvenient for you... This is the risk of playing a PvP game, deal with it.

  • @gigglesnarf I believe that rare should have a report player system for people like this. People that make the game unfair or fun should be banned.

    Edit : this is for people that talk trash on other players or troll.

  • @cameron-buckeye the problem is hardcore PvP players just want battleships. a good portion of the community just wants to sink people. with the reveal of pirate legend people have "less incentive" to PvE (not that they did anything other than PvP beforehand) and go on saying things like "this is a PvP game if you don't want to get shot at by literally everyone then play insert random kids game" which is a BIG PROBLEM for this community... Rare sold me a game about adventuring and treasure, in fact the add i saw only had 1 (ONE, SINGULAR) shot of fighting another ship, most of it was being silly pirates looking for treasure and fighting skeletons, so i thought "damn this looks like a fun game to meet randoms on the high seas and get into all sorts of shenanigans." I feel a big problem is people talking about the "circle around and jump off with chests to turn them in" strategy, like why do i have to cheese the game mechanics to complete missions? i should be able to dock my ship and go about my business at port (like a real pirate) and another post somewhere mentioned how you can't be a "pirate" with no authority to evade which is very true. Real pirates were more scavengers than fighters, no pirates were going around waging war against the east-india company, sorry kids but PotC is a movie.

  • Im sorry you went through it. Im having these problems myself but Im not a good fighter yet. I hope these ppl will go away after the stupid 14 days of the free xbox thing

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