All ive encountered is people that are super toxic. Things like sinking in port after loading in, teaming just to sink. People talking just to shoot you randomly and sink your ship. Id like to have an interaction with someone from time to time without shooting without words because i fear they will just pull some shady stuff. Im all for a sweet battle on the sea or a cheeky play while at an island or what-have-you. But the stuff i mentioned as "toxic" is just really annoying and seems really bad faith to me.
Why so toxic?
@stay-woke-cuhh said in Why so toxic?:
All ive encountered is people that are super toxic. Things like sinking in port after loading in, teaming just to sink. People talking just to shoot you randomly and sink your ship. Id like to have an interaction with someone from time to time without shooting without words because i fear they will just pull some shady stuff. Im all for a sweet battle on the sea or a cheeky play while at an island or what-have-you. But the stuff i mentioned as "toxic" is just really annoying and seems really bad faith to me.
Deception in this game is just as valid a tactic as any other. It is too easy for a ship to run and drive-by sell, rowboat off with the loot and sell, run to the despawn wall of the map and despawn loot. Sometimes deception is needed to prevent said plays from happening if sneaking up on your ship while busy at an island isn't possible.
The only true toxicity in this game is the profanity that spews from some players mics, spawn camping while not sinking, stealing supplies, commandeering the ship for transport, or to use as a tool to break up alliances with distrust.
There are bad manners moves that vary from player to player based on opinions, but that's hard to judge.
Getting sunk as a fresh spawn is one of the least consequential losses within the reality of the environment and one that still makes a lot of sense.
You have nothing to lose and everything to gain and a ship looking to turn in that randomly has you at the outpost has everything to lose and nothing to gain from taking the risk.
The game should never incentivize fresh spawn kills but a fresh spawn kill is still appropriate during a risk/reward scenario where someone with loot needs the outpost.
Random creates an environment where it isn't always anything. It's not always pleasant and it's not always unpleasant. It's not always hostile and it's not always peaceful. It's not always active and it's not always dead.
You decide how often you are gonna roll those dice but it won't always be the same result. All you can do to increase your chances of a pleasant experience is focus on how you react and adapt, and how you approach the environment. The rest is out of your hands.
@stay-woke-cuhh they’re trolls switch servers or just stand there and do nothing then scuttle your ship so they don’t get your supplies and if they keep coming switch servers
@stay-woke-cuhh also not all pvp crews are toxic some are just looking for a good fight we once had a reaper crew chasing us so jumped over swam to their ship and told them we have no loot or supplies we where just doing the Adventure and they left us alone later they came back and they sunk their ship and gave us their grade V flag plus supplies
...stealing supplies, or commandeering the ship for transport or to use as a tool to break up alliances with distrust.
Going to disagree on these two. Why is stealing supplies considered toxic in your eyes? It truly feels no different than stealing a chest or trinket. Plus, its not like its going to waste. Is stealing fish toxic? I would even disagree on commandeering a vessel. First, its not your own ship, so you aren't trolling your own crew, and other crews are just fair game. Why is sowing a bit of discord to gain a slight edge in being outnumbered toxic? If sinking a ship isn't considered toxic, tricking another crew into doing such shouldn't either. Alliances already have an edge even against discord like that, they have colored names. You talk of Deception being needed, but to somehow exclude this portion of it seems weird.
@stay-woke-cuhh said in Why so toxic?:
All ive encountered is people that are super toxic. Things like sinking in port after loading in, teaming just to sink. People talking just to shoot you randomly and sink your ship. Id like to have an interaction with someone from time to time without shooting without words because i fear they will just pull some shady stuff. Im all for a sweet battle on the sea or a cheeky play while at an island or what-have-you. But the stuff i mentioned as "toxic" is just really annoying and seems really bad faith to me.
In this game toxicity would offend you via text or voice, the rest is part of the game. A good pirate story almost always starts with a betrayal or surprise attack.
@nabberwar said in Why so toxic?:
...stealing supplies, or commandeering the ship for transport or to use as a tool to break up alliances with distrust.
Going to disagree on these two. Why is stealing supplies considered toxic in your eyes? It truly feels no different than stealing a chest or trinket. Plus, its not like its going to waste. Is stealing fish toxic? I would even disagree on commandeering a vessel. First, its not your own ship, so you aren't trolling your own crew, and other crews are just fair game. Why is sowing a bit of discord to gain a slight edge in being outnumbered toxic? If sinking a ship isn't considered toxic, tricking another crew into doing such shouldn't either. Alliances already have an edge even against discord like that, they have colored names. You talk of Deception being needed, but to somehow exclude this portion of it seems weird.
Let me rephrase my punctuation because I think you misunderstood: The only true toxicity in this game is the profanity that spews from some players mics, spawn camping (while NOT sinking, stealing supplies, commandeering the ship for transport, or to use as a tool to break up alliances with distrust.)
@kommodoreyenser
I think its more of a misspeak on your end rather than a misunderstanding on mine. Ignore the snark, but it reads like a list with no break to differentiate. Personally, I'd sneak in an edit. I'm guilty to of poorly communicating some of my ideas sometimes.Yeah none of what you mentioned was toxic. Sure it was a little rude maybe, but if you sank at the outpost, leave the server; not like you're gonna lose anything. If people are teaming, bad luck, but it's allowed, and somewhat encouraged. People sinking you randomly is what happens in this game.
The only toxic part of anything you mentioned is if they happen to be toxic over the mic and actively trying to offend you or a group. If that is the case, record it and report it.
Otherwise, all is as should be it seems.
@nabberwar said in Why so toxic?:
@kommodoreyenser
I think its more of a misspeak on your end rather than a misunderstanding on mine. Ignore the snark, but it reads like a list with no break to differentiate. Personally, I'd sneak in an edit. I'm guilty to of poorly communicating some of my ideas sometimes.Spawn camping is required for all of those activities, figured it would be common knowledge. Therefore it makes sense as written.
@otherfanboy Ive not once had an interaction like that, even though i've tried many times. I'm not just trying to rag on a game that people seem to like to rag on. But i genuinely feel like people act toxic in this game and just write it off as, "PvP game". I just wish the community wasn't so toxic and actively try to make the game unfun. That is my experience 80% of the time. My standard situation goes like this... Me on a sloop, PvE grinding on a PvPvE game. I run into a brig or some gaming warlord sloop slayer that stands there silently and spawn camps my noob self just because i have no loot and because they can. Then sink the ship after deliberately making my experience so unfun. All without any type of interaction.
@targasbr Yah, a good pirate story does. But what happens in my games would be considered a really bad snuff film. Not a good pirate story.
@nabberwar Yeah the communication was god awful, but i believe my point about toxicity still stands.
@scurvywoof I would agree. Thats why i gave my definition of toxic. Someone that deliberatly does things to make your experience unfun, and in no way could considered "good faith"
Someone that deliberatly does things to make your experience unfun, and in no way could considered "good faith"
Many would consider losing their loot unfun. I deliberately will steal from them. That isn't to mean that I'm deliberately trying to make their experience unfun. Good sportsmanship goes both ways, Grace in defeat is an equal part of that.
The problem here is you describe things that I still wouldn't consider toxic. A sink on sight attitude is playing it safe for a large portion of people. Every ship nearby is a potential thief or attacker. People can say their friendly, that doesn't make it true. When people tell me, "We're friendly!" I will simply tell them, "We're not." Even ships sitting at port. If I want to sell at the port that you just spawned in, its perfectly reasonable that I clear my path for my own safety. Its also not even that big of a loss on your end. Reset servers and move on. There is nothing random about sinking ships, there is clear intent there. You just have no idea what their intent is. Also teaming is very much within allowed.
While you would like interaction, plenty don't. Interaction isn't a requirement for this game. When its considered a standard way of playing, you really can't call it toxic. Spawn-camping with intent to just cause misery? Sure, its toxic. However, spawn-camping still isn't always toxic, it just depends purely on the intent. I've done my share, but on my end of things, its done for reasons outside of misery. Easiest one to say is to buy time while my ship escapes or I just want to steal your supplies. I can't really do thatwhile you are chasing me down with sword and gun.
@stay-woke-cuhh sagte in Why so toxic?:
All ive encountered is people that are super toxic. Things like sinking in port after loading in, teaming just to sink. People talking just to shoot you randomly and sink your ship. Id like to have an interaction with someone from time to time without shooting without words because i fear they will just pull some shady stuff. Im all for a sweet battle on the sea or a cheeky play while at an island or what-have-you. But the stuff i mentioned as "toxic" is just really annoying and seems really bad faith to me.
Can't see anything toxic in this text...well, besides the word itself 3 times
@stay-woke-cuhh I know, but that’s also my point. That may be toxic in your opinion, but in mine, they aren’t. Things like spawn camping without reason and harassment, not to mention the slurs and swears that come out of people’s mouths, that’s what I’d consider toxic, and most people do.
And the definition changes from person to person. Some people consider PvP toxic, others consider what you consider toxic.
You see what I’m getting at? The only proper toxic things that can be confirmed toxic are pretty much things Rare have said is toxic.
Toxic, toxic, toxic, toxic….
Hope your experience gets better, though!@stay-woke-cuhh
IKR, I say "Good Game" and they call me Gay :-(
I don't understand, they start the fight and sunk. If you're not polite, keep sailing always from other boats (--")Lol that's it. I can't even do the quests or attempt new legends missons cuz I get sunk non stop. I mean the day I decided to play I was sunk 8 diffrent times just spawning in. And when I finely got into a server snd started doing thr new legends voyage I was under water at a boat for less then 2 mins snd all of sudden there's 4 diffrent reaper ships come st me snd sinking me. I under stand pvp is s big part but now it's just stright toxic. And no one ever plays any thing else then reapers. For every 10 reapers u maybe have one ship doing normal stuff. Other part is no matter where I go reapers seem to find me even if I don't set up a trade company flag any more so how the heck are they finding me every time snd I mean I on purpose go to the other side yet they come right for me.. this is y ppl r quiting this game it was fun st first now its ether u choose reaper snd only be a reaper or ur screwed.whats the point of doing sny thing else but reaper when they can track snd find u no matter what ur doing and now quests requare u to be under water. Witch u can't cuz ur fer sure going to be sunk
@kommodoreyenser. Pvp players r the most toxic players I have ever met. Pretty much every one is a reaper. Reason y game is dieing I don't mind a fight but they have made it way to easy for reapers to find ppl. No one wants to play a game well 100 percent if the time it's 95 percent fighting reapers 5 percent doing the quest voyages and other stuff in the game. To the point reaps just sink u just to troll u leave the loot come right at you sgian just to sink u over snd over snd dont care about sny thing else. a lot r just sitting on islands waiting for fresh spawns to sink there ships before they even completely load in. Explain to me why thst is even s thing snd don't tell me it rarely happens when I had it happen to me 8 times in one day. St this point screw pvp we need s pve mode to just get away from the toxic be a reaper or get sunk 100 percent of the time bullcrap or this game is going to keep dieing like it is
@shadowrain142 PvP is not toxic. Most of the toxic things include PvP, but the concept itself is not. PvP’ers are not the most toxic either. You will find an even spread of toxic PvP’rs, PvE’ers and those in between. You as a PvE player will find the PvP players are toxic, but myself as a PvP player will find that a lot of PvE players a toxic. It depends on your angle, thus meaning that everything and nothing is toxic, if you get what I mean.
I don’t encounter the amount of Reapers that you supposedly have, so I’m taking it with a grain of salt. Different server regions probably, but I’ll take it as a bit of exaggeration.Also, you talk about toxicity in a very passive-aggressive way. Calm down.
Don’t turn this thread into a PvE server thread. They will never come and the game is not dying. End of that topic.I hope that your experience improves, but that’s all I can do.
@shadowrain142 said in Why so toxic?:
@kommodoreyenser. Pvp players r the most toxic players I have ever met. Pretty much every one is a reaper. Reason y game is dieing I don't mind a fight but they have made it way to easy for reapers to find ppl. No one wants to play a game well 100 percent if the time it's 95 percent fighting reapers 5 percent doing the quest voyages and other stuff in the game. To the point reaps just sink u just to troll u leave the loot come right at you sgian just to sink u over snd over snd dont care about sny thing else. a lot r just sitting on islands waiting for fresh spawns to sink there ships before they even completely load in. Explain to me why thst is even s thing snd don't tell me it rarely happens when I had it happen to me 8 times in one day. St this point screw pvp we need s pve mode to just get away from the toxic be a reaper or get sunk 100 percent of the time bullcrap or this game is going to keep dieing like it is
Whole lotta anger and personal opinion in there if not just plain bad luck. I have stacked 3-4 veil voyages solo so I could chain 4 emissary quests for Athena recently. You know, the rarest and most highly sought emissary in the game. That entire 4-5 hour session, not targeted once. 80% of my ~1,500 hours has been solo. Most of that time I rarely see a ship, some of the time I actually go and hunt other emissary ships or those doing events. Being solo is not an instant death sentence either nor a reason to demand PvE servers.
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