The sword needs to be nerfed. The damage is too much for the sword vortex it creates. There is no skill involved with using it anymore. Please decrease damage or fix the vortex.
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@dracula4580 said in Sword:
The sword needs to be nerfed.
No, it doesn't.
The damage is too much for the sword vortex it creates.
You can escape the vortex easily, by blocking, then dodging through them - and then you have an opening for a counter-attack. If you're double-gunning, then you've already failed by letting them get too close to you.
There is no skill involved with using it anymore.
Yes, there is. Lots of it, in fact. I can hit you 3x, or 2x and 2x again, or I can hit you 2x and then shoot you, or I can blunderbomb you and then hit you 2x, or I can hit you 2x and charge, or I can hit you once and strafe around past your block or shot or counter-hit, etc. There are numerous options to use to confuse and agitate your opponent.
Please decrease damage
Not going to happen.
or fix the vortex.
Or you can learn how to avoid it or escape it like everyone else
@pvekilla420 said in Sword:
@dracula4580 Don't worry all the high level pvpers in this game agree with you :)
If the sword is killing them consistently, then they're not high-level PvPers...
@galactic-geek High level pvpers TDM at forts on arena... nobody uses sword because it is classed as a 'bot' weapon and takes very little skill to kill with it... If you take a look at all the best players video montage's on youtube, non of them use the sword.
@galactic-geek said in Sword:
@pvekilla420 said in Sword:
@dracula4580 Don't worry all the high level pvpers in this game agree with you :)
If the sword is killing them consistently, then they're not high-level PvPers...
funny joke, i bet you think you're "high level PVP" now huh swordbot
Sword is broken, if the 25% is staying, then the stun needs to go, or a similar stagger needs to be added to a landed gunshot to keep the W+M1 spammers in check and able to be kited. Penalty for a missed sword swing needs to be reintroduced too.
Going to say that calling other players “bots” is a lazy excuse for your own faults. Adapt and overcome.
I think the cutlass is in a good spot between all weapons. There was already a post explaining the various ways the cutlass is used besides smashing the button.
If a player is using double guns I don’t switch to double nor complain. I look for a weakness in their play style.
@k1lroyw4sh3r3 said in Sword:
Going to say that calling other players “bots” is a lazy excuse for your own faults. Adapt and overcome.
I think the cutlass is in a good spot between all weapons. There was already a post explaining the various ways the cutlass is used besides smashing the button.
If a player is using double guns I don’t switch to double nor complain. I look for a weakness in their play style.
Trust me, I have no problem camping anyone who posts on these forums to hate on DG and defend the mess that is current swordplay (And I have camped many of them, we keep a list).
However, sword is imbalanced right now. W+M1 is what 99% of sword users do, and with terrible hitreg, they can just run behind you and noodle and still hit you 10 feet behind you.
Removing the stun and reintroducing the penalty for not hitting anything with your sword is more than fair to ask for. If you think you're some master swordman who can land swipes and doesnt just spam, this shouldn't be a problem for you. Sounds like you're just another swordbot tbh.
@pvekilla420 sagte in Sword:
@galactic-geek High level pvpers TDM at forts on arena... nobody uses sword because it is classed as a 'bot' weapon and takes very little skill to kill with it... If you take a look at all the best players video montage's on youtube, non of them use the sword.
That's shooter players wanting shooting pirates on islands not playing SoT, judt to say.
You are nothing else than pve server demanding players and want to turn the game into something else.The way you talk is already dismissive and degrading.
It's the elitism you can keep for yourself, this is not a highly competetive game, but a game for everyone.Low skill gap is good to have and intended imho to let all Kind of players play together.
Go cheese the game like Alliance Servers players do and play TDM in Arena, but please stop trying to change the game to your favor.
Thank you.@bugaboo-bill You are talking complete nonsense... First of all I hardly use double gun because it is a lot easier to kill people with the sword.. I never said I was one of these high level pvp double gunners because i'm not I'm just stating the facts.. you are assuming everything to just insult me.... You are obvious a forum try-hard who spends more time on here attacking people making false assumptions than playing the actual game..
It is my opinion that the sword has become way easier to kill people and takes way less skill that it used to... The majority of players just spam it hoping for the best....
Sword is broken, if the 25% is staying, then the stun needs to go, or a similar stagger needs to be added to a landed gunshot to keep the W+M1 spammers in check and able to be kited. Penalty for a missed sword swing needs to be reintroduced too.
I completely agree with this!
@pvekilla420 said in Sword:
@bugaboo-bill You are talking complete nonsense...
No, he isn't.
First of all I hardly use double gun
Okay, so what?
because it is a lot easier to kill people with the sword..
Debatable.
I never said I was one of these high level pvp double gunners because i'm not I'm just stating the facts..
Not exactly. You're mostly spouting your own opinions.
you are assuming everything to just insult me....
...and you're not?
You are obvious a forum try-hard who spends more time on here attacking people making false assumptions than playing the actual game.
...and who's attacking who right now?
It is my opinion that the sword has become way easier to kill people
That's not an opinion; it's a fact - it IS easier to kill people now due to the damage buff.
and takes way less skill that it used to...
No way!
The majority of players just spam it hoping for the best....
...and they usually die or fail against more competent pirates as a result.
The only reason they succeed is either due to the ignorance or the mistakes (or both) of their enemies.
The gameplay regarding combat is made to be simple in nature so that it's easily accessible to all, but knowledgeable and experienced pirates can still use that to their advantage by using advanced manuevering, timing, accuracy, communication, and teamwork in order to win the encounter.
@galactic-geek You and @Bugaboo-Bill are obviously friends who like to gang up on people on these type of threads, both forum try hards from the amount of posts you both have... You are not trying to have a discussion about the sword because you don't care about other people opinions as they don't line up with your own....
The sword needs to be nerfed.
No, it doesn't.
Please decrease damage
Not going to happen.
From these comments alone it is obvious you are not interested in a discussion and feel like your opinions are more valued than the OP's...It is obvious from the amount of posts about the current sword change that there are LOTS of people who agree with the OP.... Stop being so dismissive and people might want to have a real discussion with you...
@comrade-molly said in Sword:
@k1lroyw4sh3r3 said in Sword:
Going to say that calling other players “bots” is a lazy excuse for your own faults. Adapt and overcome.
I think the cutlass is in a good spot between all weapons. There was already a post explaining the various ways the cutlass is used besides smashing the button.
If a player is using double guns I don’t switch to double nor complain. I look for a weakness in their play style.
Trust me, I have no problem camping anyone who posts on these forums to hate on DG and defend the mess that is current swordplay (And I have camped many of them, we keep a list).
So you maintain a list of players to intentionally harass & bully because they have differing opinions/values?
Never
- Harass, bully, intimidate, threaten or encourage others to do harm. None of these behaviours will be tolerated. Any activity you engage in that is solely designed to target and upset another player or crew constitutes bullying. Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment. Not only do we take these things very seriously, many law enforcement agencies recognise online abuse as an offence. If necessary, we will report incidents to the relevant authorities to take further action.
Going to say that calling other players “bots” is a lazy excuse for your own faults. Adapt and overcome.
I think the word 'bot' comes from people aimlessly spamming the sword...
If a player is using double guns I don’t switch to double nor complain. I look for a weakness in their play style.
If you play against really good FPS players using double gun... you can't touch them with a sword, you don't have time to look for a weakness because within a few seconds of them seeing you, you are already dead... I use the sword always but if I ever come up against pro level players in arena you have no choice to swap to DG... I'd say i've played over 500 games of arena... I got my 240 wins last year...You don't come across these players often but they are out there for sure...
@pvekilla420 I totally agree with you. Why are these to people shooting down people’s opinions. They use all kinds of fancy words words to help support there status as an expert. To be honest it is quite silly they spend as much time as they do on these forums. lOl
@pvekilla420 I totally agree with you. Why are these to people shooting down people’s opinions. They use all kinds of fancy words words to help support there status as an expert. To be honest it is quite silly they spend as much time as they do on these forums. lOl
I Don't want to derail the topic at hand too much but indeed... Hostile/dismissive replies do nothing when people are trying to engage in a productive discussion..
@pvekilla420
@Bugaboo-Bill and I do enjoy a good discussion or argument, but we have little tolerance for emotionally-fueled assumptions nonsense arguments, and ignorance. We rely on facts, evidence, and science to prove our points. When you start doing the same and stop taking things so personally by remaining on the defensive then maybe some ground can be gained. But as is now, you're not listening to us either, so around and around we go!@pvekilla420 it isn’t fair that they feel like they have the power to go around dismissing in game topics due to their statuses on this forum. They need to be open to different opinions and except different view points. Instead, they feel the need to nurse their own ideas and put them above everyone else. That is unprofessional and quite childish for their statuses in this forum.
@Bugaboo-Bill and I do enjoy a god discussion or argument
This isn't the place for arguments... Stop trying to start one, I feel like you are now trying to bait and troll me. Please stop and keep to the topic at hand.
@pvekilla420 Galactic Geek is being manipulative with his fancy ideas and words. He is using his status to create an image that his opinion in more valued than everyone else’s. Again, for their status, they are acting totally childish due to their ignorance about other’s opinions. Using things like,” No it’s not!”or ,”That won’t happen!” Is totally ignorant and dismisses others opinions.
@galactic-geek Wake up, man! The sword is literally a meme in the pvp community right now. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vauLYcIujZo
I completely agree. I think the real problem is that rare has been slowly over tuning damage in general and this sword buff was the tipping point. We're now at a point where most pvp encounters feel like a dice roll and speaking to the hardcore pvp community most people agree pvp was in a much better state around the arena release. We're never going back to that, but the sword being reverted would be a good start.
@galactic-geek said in Sword:
We rely on facts, evidence, and science to prove our points.
aight calm down mate
@galactic-geek said in Sword:
We rely on facts, evidence, and science to prove our points.
aight calm down mate
I would like to see some of the Scientific studies and maybe even papers about the sword that he is talking about... I'm certainly looking forward to Peer reviewing such studies/papers :)
@galactic-geek said in Sword:
@pvekilla420 said in Sword:
@bugaboo-bill You are talking complete nonsense...
No, he isn't.
First of all I hardly use double gun
Okay, so what?
because it is a lot easier to kill people with the sword..
Debatable.
I never said I was one of these high level pvp double gunners because i'm not I'm just stating the facts..
Not exactly. You're mostly spouting your own opinions.
you are assuming everything to just insult me....
...and you're not?
You are obvious a forum try-hard who spends more time on here attacking people making false assumptions than playing the actual game.
...and who's attacking who right now?
It is my opinion that the sword has become way easier to kill people
That's not an opinion; it's a fact - it IS easier to kill people now due to the damage buff.
and takes way less skill that it used to...
No way!
The majority of players just spam it hoping for the best....
...and they usually die or fail against more competent pirates as a result.
The only reason they succeed is either due to the ignorance or the mistakes (or both) of their enemies.
The gameplay regarding combat is made to be simple in nature so that it's easily accessible to all, but knowledgeable and experienced pirates can still use that to their advantage by using advanced manuevering, timing, accuracy, communication, and teamwork in order to win the encounter.
this is the least constructive response i have probably ever seen in these forums. and this forum is bad as it is. you do not offer anyhting to the coversation and continuously use adhominins to attack the person you are responding to. the hypocrassy in your response is remarkable baring in mind another post where you say that you only use, facts, logic and science to prove your point.
back to the point at hand. there is a clear issue where all compitent PvP players are comenting on how strong the sword is. the sword has very little counter to it once you are hit. the only thing that could be a counter is the block of a sword, however that barley works in current builds due to hit reg issues and back tracking. the stun effect locks the enemy player on the spot so there is no chance of escape once they have been hit by the sword. and even if they block the next volley as soon as they start attacking back you can just hit them while they are hitting you and they will die. it is not well balanced and has turned into an rng on who the server thinks hit first.
so when/if you respond to this i would like you to use more than just. "I dissagree with you because i'm right" and prove me wrong, because your form of discorse is unproductive and bad.
@dracula4580 I'm not manipulating anything - only stating the facts and counter-arguments. You're just reading too much into things.
The thing I hate most about the combat in this game is that it is over too quickly. Whether you get vortexed or DG'd at long range. Being wiped out in seconds prevents you from playing the game at all, and that is more frustrating then being beat to begin with. Even if I were to die, it would be a lot more fun to have fought for 20 seconds vs 2. This is most notable when against a good DG'r, or multiple sword users.
This doesn't account for food or throwables, but it is just an idea.
Sword:
Attack: First to land a strike cancels the enemies attack.
Block: Can block immediately after any strike in the combo.
Combo:- Strike 1: 20dmg, no root.
- Strike 2: 20dmg, root.
- Strike 3: 25dmg, knockback.
Lunge: Same, but allow slow movement on fail instead of root.
Guns:
Blunder: 90dmg, same knockback.
Flintlock: 35dmg, half knockback.
Eye of Reach: 60dmg, half knockback.@dracula4580 I agree with everything that you are saying. The sword is OP and people only use it becuase their aim is trash. Double gunning is better than the sword but that is only if your aim is good. Most people have terrible aim or just can't be bothered to practise so they just use the sword since it is an OP and skill less weapon.
Sword in 1-vs-1 is balanced.
Several sword on 1 player is a skill-less oneshot guarantee currently, jup.
As "Pace_X" would say
" It should not hit if the sword would also hit an own crewmate. Own crewmates should stop the swordswing as if you hit a goldskeleton. But it just stops, it doesnt make the metallic noise. "@dracula4580
The sword is fine. Stop whining and learn to play.@PVEkilla420
So you don't use a sword so you don't become classified as a bot? The 'best players' are better then average players like ourselves so they use the combo that helps them the most. I use the flintlock/sword combo, as that is what I am good with.@Comrade-Molly
The sword isn't broken. You and the other 'the sword is to OP' posters got too close to the enemy, and so you were killed by the sword. If you really keep a list, then that could potentially be considered toxic and could be reportable.@cpt-bolleck said in Sword:
@galactic-geek said in Sword:
@pvekilla420 said in Sword:
@bugaboo-bill You are talking complete nonsense...
No, he isn't.
First of all I hardly use double gun
Okay, so what?
because it is a lot easier to kill people with the sword..
Debatable.
I never said I was one of these high level pvp double gunners because i'm not I'm just stating the facts..
Not exactly. You're mostly spouting your own opinions.
you are assuming everything to just insult me....
...and you're not?
You are obvious a forum try-hard who spends more time on here attacking people making false assumptions than playing the actual game.
...and who's attacking who right now?
It is my opinion that the sword has become way easier to kill people
That's not an opinion; it's a fact - it IS easier to kill people now due to the damage buff.
and takes way less skill that it used to...
No way!
The majority of players just spam it hoping for the best....
...and they usually die or fail against more competent pirates as a result.
The only reason they succeed is either due to the ignorance or the mistakes (or both) of their enemies.
The gameplay regarding combat is made to be simple in nature so that it's easily accessible to all, but knowledgeable and experienced pirates can still use that to their advantage by using advanced manuevering, timing, accuracy, communication, and teamwork in order to win the encounter.
this is the least constructive response i have probably ever seen in these forums. and this forum is bad as it is. you do not offer anyhting to the coversation and continuously use adhominins to attack the person you are responding to. the hypocrassy in your response is remarkable baring in mind another post where you say that you only use, facts, logic and science to prove your point.
back to the point at hand. there is a clear issue where all compitent PvP players are comenting on how strong the sword is. the sword has very little counter to it once you are hit. the only thing that could be a counter is the block of a sword, however that barley works in current builds due to hit reg issues and back tracking. the stun effect locks the enemy player on the spot so there is no chance of escape once they have been hit by the sword. and even if they block the next volley as soon as they start attacking back you can just hit them while they are hitting you and they will die. it is not well balanced and has turned into an rng on who the server thinks hit first.
so when/if you respond to this i would like you to use more than just. "I dissagree with you because i'm right" and prove me wrong, because your form of discorse is unproductive and bad.
Your ignorance shines here. Even when stunned, you can still use block, and then sword dodge through them, and strike them in the back. The reason most pirates die is because they, like you, fail to realize that:
- You can still move while stunned using the sword dodge, and...
- You can use sword dodge to safely pass through an enemy.
Your ignorance shines here. Even when stunned, you can still use block, and then sword dodge through them, and strike them in the back. The reason most pirates die us because they, like you, fail to realize that:
- You can still move while stunned using the sword dodge, and...
- You can use sword dodge to safely pass through an enemy.
How often do you PVP? Are you a regular at arena where you are pvping constantly everyday and come across the hit reg issues with block and the sword? I play at least 1/2 arena matches everyday sometimes I do as much as 10 and there is a big issue with the block not registering currently... It is understandable how you wouldn't come across these issues if you didn't play arena this much and was an average pvper though!
@pvekilla420 I admittedly don't play a lot of arena, but arena has issues that don't apply to adventure and vice-versa, so I don't really think it's a fair comparison.
I know hit-reg is a bigger issue in arena, but that's a separate issue from sword balance - fixing hit-reg won't fix any balance issues the sword allegedly has, and vice-versa.
@galactic-geek be respectful to others opinions and don’t shoot them down. In each one of your posts you have clearly pointed out the idea your opinion is superior to everyone else’s. You should get off these forums and go talk to some real people. You are sitting in front of a computer screen in the comfort of your own home feeling like you have power over everyone else when in reality you don’t . It seems you have spent too much time on these forums based off of your 7.1k posts and comments. So please, take a break and give people some breathing room instead of constantly putting their ideas down.
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