@pure-xreactions can I clarify what did you have to do to earn it originally? I thought they had said the general approach was if it was just a case of logon to collect then they are happy to re-release, if it was a time limited event then they didn't intend on bringing back those items. The difference between 'earning'
New Duke Shop missed the mark….
@hiradc ok I don’t really understand your post the way you worded it but I’ll try my best.
To earn the mercenary sniper back in 2018 (not sure when but it was when the devils roar had just come out). You had to complete this specific mercenary voyage and then you were allowed to buy the sniper.
The kicker was that back then you could only earn so many doubloons per update, so you had to pick and choose which items you wanted and which you didn’t. Sad to know I missed out on other items because I picked the mercenary sniper, only for it to be released back to everyone anyway.
Again they could have just solved this by simply giving veterans a mk2 version of the item. A “dirty” variant someone came up with. Great idea really. That way veterans don’t feel cheated, and newer players are able to earn that cosmetic. My personal opinion limited cosmetics should stay limited and developers shouldn’t be rug pulling their players just to get them to play more.
@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
Proving my point further. You have a SECOND chance to earn some of the rarest cosmetics in the game and it’s still too much work, still too expensive. Anything more than sailing between the 2 same islands for you is too much work it seems. Like I said crazy entitlement.
Entitlement implies I want or expect the sniper.
I have merely poked fun at the pearl clutching of yourself as you bemoan your precious cosmetics being made available again.
As you explain above it did not appear to be difficult to get them originally, and some back then that played the game perhaps did not get the sniper and you are resentful that they can now get it.Sad to know I missed out on other items because I picked the mercenary sniper, only for it to be released back to everyone anyway.
I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.
Seems like good game design that they HAVE brought the cosmetics back if players had to choose between them back in the day.In regards to 'not working' to obtain more doubloons - I am happy to wait till the economy is fixed rather than hunt to deprive other pirates of their limited currency.
A moral decision I would make anyway but aided by practical limitations of the solo slooper.@pure-xreactions The level of entitlement that some people have in video games, is absolutely astounding to me. They literally want everything handed to them on a silver platter with no effort, and no care to what others think. Them them them. Sad that Rare is catering to this type of player, just for the sake of numbers.
@pc-monkfish Let's not skip around the point being made. You want x or y cosmetic that was limited and feel that you should have access to it, regardless of how others feel/the work put in to obtain it.
Sure not every cosmetic is made equal and some were more difficult to obtain than others, but the idea remains that some things should stay unique. Recolors exist for a reason.
The people they are trying to cater will drop the game ASAP for the next big thing while the more older players will continue to invest in the game.
A game that is about cosmetics is removing the "value" from these old players to give it to the new ones.
My stance is the stance Rare shared in one of the videos but didnt kept, no old cosmetics tied to specific events would return.
@oldreclaimer This 10000%. It feels so shallow. It might be one thing if something of equal value was given to us veterans, but nope. We get some uninteresting doubloon themed cosmetics, meanwhile new players get full access to some of the rarest and coolest items they weren't even around for.
@oldreclaimer said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
My stance is the stance Rare shared in one of the videos but didnt kept, no old cosmetics tied to specific events would return.
Untill now they have cept their promises.
They wanted to bring back sets that are partially available already and now make them fully available again.
So what they can bring back under that rule is, bonecrusher, wailing barnacle, forsaken ashes and mercenary.
What else will return, or if anything else will return, is still a mystery, but untill now they broke no promises.
(At least if you're talking about recent videos)But I agree that this devalues the cosmetics and I would've been fine with reskins of similar quality.
Rare should have released more event cosmetics in the recent years, so that good timelimited cosmetics aren't tied to year one and two only.
I think the lack of good event cosmetics, is one of the main reasons, why players that started after year two, desire old cosmetics so much, because in comparison to veterans, we have almost nothing special/specific to our play period (titles and trinkets dont count as special to me).All the sets you mentioned are event specific, they should not return as per Rate claims.
Those were not login bonus or that you needed to play on specific days to have them, you had to take part on particular events, they mean that you took part of that and the cosmetic is there to show that you were there.
If you werent there for the Forsaken Shores why should you be able to buy it after? Same for the other ones, the mercenary stuff you had to take part of specific missions when they were introduced só the same thing. Hungering One? Same. Bonecrusher? Same. And this is from someone that missed the bonecrusher one.
This is a game were cosmetics are the currency, specially for seasoned players, Rare is just removing "value" from old players and offer them to newer ones, there are so many old cosmetics that dont belong to events that could return, or even recolours as you mentioned.
@oldreclaimer For me, it's the Bonecrusher ship set. You had to be online for that awesome event during Cursed Sails. I've only seen a handful of players with that set over the years, and I've talked to a few and we talked about how much fun it was, etc.
Just really cool to see some of the older players still around, and you wouldn't know it outside looking at their account history.
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I guess those were event specific, but i think what Drew ment with that, was uneque/one of a kind items like the 3 reaper sails (+ flags and hull) or the hungering one figurehead you mentioned.
Those likely wont return.But the return of the other sets i mentioned, were hinted at by Drew by saying, that sets that can still be bought partially, will return completely.
So while they are event specific, those are exeptions to the rule you mentioned.@valor-omega said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
@pc-monkfish Let's not skip around the point being made. You want x or y cosmetic that was limited and feel that you should have access to it, regardless of how others feel/the work put in to obtain
Bruh, this is maybe a talking point in your seething group chats but please don't try and project it onto me.
At no point have I expressed a desire in ANY of the returning cosmetics.
I have 5 pages of snipers and am not in hurry to add yet another skin to be lost amongst the sea of cosmetics.
Same goes for the other cosmetics.The only entitlement I see is those on the other side of the argument who seemingly lack the self awareness to realise that the Duke shop may be an opportunity to get cosmetics they missed in the past.
@pc-monkfish said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
Entitlement implies I want or expect the sniper.
I have merely poked fun at the pearl clutching of yourself as you bemoan your precious cosmetics being made available again.
As you explain above it did not appear to be difficult to get them originally, and some back then that played the game perhaps did not get the sniper and you are resentful that they can now get it.Right entitlement, you feel that cosmetics from a limited time event FROM YEAR 1 should make a return just for you or others to purchase even though you were not around for the event. With 0 regard to veteran players progress. It’s not entitlement that I want to keep something I earned and was told to be sacred to stay that way. I’ve missed plenty of cosmetics over the years but I don’t feel so entitled that I demand they bring them back just so I can earn them again. Like I said defeats the purpose and only value/ progression in the game.
I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.
Seems like good game design that they HAVE brought the cosmetics back if players had to choose between them back in the day.>Of course not. If they are going to destroy the value of really rare previously limited cosmetics I mind as well own them anyway. Wouldn’t make sense not to seeing how stupidly easy it is to earn doubloons now.
In regards to 'not working' to obtain more doubloons - I am happy to wait till the economy is fixed rather than hunt to deprive other pirates of their limited currency.
There’s a lot of ways to earn doubloons easily. You don’t have to steal them, I just happen to have fun doing it and it ends up being extremely effective. You get 600 per month basically for free (doubloon chest voyages). You can stack FOTD (slow but works). Or just steal them like myself. Not to mention the plunder pass basically gives you them for free for basically just existing.
All in all re-releasing these cosmetics just sets a horrible precedent that they for some reason feel the need to continue. Tons of items over the years got this treatment. Spinal figure head, 6-pack, and most notably obsidian capstan. Obsidian capstan used to be one of the coolest pieces in the game, only person I knew with one was a guy who made it to the finals or semi-finals of the NAL. (Really cool). But since rare opened it up to streams and sot partners it’s been literally handed out like candy.
@pc-monkfish Then what are you doing here, pushing for cosmetic access for all? If you supposedly could care less, then surely there's no problem with allowing people to have some unique cosmetics. (ツ)_/¯ Talk about projection
@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.
Of course not. If they are going to destroy the value of really rare previously limited cosmetics I mind as well own them anyway. Wouldn’t make sense not to seeing how stupidly easy it is to earn doubloons now.
Rolls on Deck Laughing.
Rolls on Deck Laughing,
Rolls on Deck Laughing.So to summarise this long thread of indignation and outrage :
Returning cosmetic that I own already = BAD
Returning cosmetic that I don't own = Well I might as well partake....My work here is done.
@pc-monkfish said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
Rolls on Deck Laughing.
Rolls on Deck Laughing,
Rolls on Deck Laughing.So to summarise this long thread of indignation and outrage :
Returning cosmetic that I own already = BAD
Returning cosmetic that I don't own = Well I might as well partake....My work here is done.
Right, nothing I say or do is going to change their mind, At this point why wouldn’t I grab it? I’m just being realistic. Your stupid “gotcha” rage bait questions are just a way to avoid legit questions I have.You still will not answer why do you feel entitled to time limited year one cosmetics from events you didn’t even take part in?
If we had it your way there would be no rare sails or rare cosmetics, and by then what would be the point of playing the game? How can a game solely value progression by cosmetics only to re-release cosmetics that were advertised as time limited? It literally defeats the only purpose/progression of the game.
Theres no middle ground with you. A great idea I feel would be to release re-colors of the same skin so that everyone is happy, it’s worked really well in the past. This is not good enough for you though, you want to have everything everyone else has, even if you didn’t take part in the events they did, and didn’t do the work they did.
It’s not just about the sniper it’s more about the precedent this sets going forward. This is way too easy for them to not continue doing. In some cases these items represent YEARS of peoples hard work and dedication. For rare to re-release these items as basically generic items is a complete spit in the face. Very slippery slope they are going down is all I’ll say.
@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
Right, nothing I say or do is going to change their mind, At this point why wouldn’t I grab it? I’m just being realistic. Your stupid “gotcha” rage bait questions are just a way to avoid legit questions I have.You still will not answer why do you feel entitled to time limited year one cosmetics from events you didn’t even take part in?
I don't feel entitled to it but like you if they are going to offer it I will not turn it down.
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your position.
If the Duke Shop first month was offering items you did not have I very much doubt this thread would have been created with your ire.There is definitely a case for restricting items from returning on the work that it took to receive them.
For example there was a figurehead where you needed to fish 100 splash tails in a few weeks (I think) - absolutely that achievement should not be denigrated to a mere doubloon purchase.In the case of just participating in a presumably not too grindy event in the past then fair enough the cosmetics come back.
This happened to myself in the last few years with a red rapier you received for doing Ashen bottles quests and it came back for Anniversary week methinks.
My toys stayed in my pram and I moved on with my day.@pc-monkfish said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:
I don't feel entitled to it but like you if they are going to offer it I will not turn it down.
I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of your position.
If the Duke Shop first month was offering items you did not have I very much doubt this thread would have been created with your ire.My point still stands whether it affects me or not. This change is going to be a continual thing and will affect me eventually even if the first batch of items were not ones I previously owned. Like I said, it’s really neat to see people have wailing barnacle from year 1. Very soon though it’s not gonna mean anything due to the changes you are in favor in. They are just going to be cosmetics you sail back and forth to the same island for. It’s a joke now.
There is definitely a case for restricting items from returning on the work that it took to receive them.
For example there was a figurehead where you needed to fish 100 splash tails in a few weeks (I think) - absolutely that achievement should not be denigrated to a mere doubloon purchase.I don’t know about or what that figure head is so doubt I have it. That sounds really cool and would be a shame to all of the players that worked real hard to earn it if rare just dumped it into their new system. It also sounds like the same kind of point I’ve made all along. If someone took time and effort into a limited event with the presumption that those items wouldn’t be coming back, it’s not right for rare to just rerelease them because they don’t want to take a little bit of effort to make new items or just simply recolor them. Such a simple thing could have avoided all of this.
In the case of just participating in a presumably not too grindy event in the past then fair enough the cosmetics come back.
This happened to myself in the last few years with a red rapier you received for doing Ashen bottles quests and it came back for Anniversary week methinks.
My toys stayed in my pram and I moved on with my day.You seem to think if an event was “easy to do” in your eyes that is justification to undermine people’s work and just re-release it. I think that’s totally wrong and if rare is going to advertise something as “time-limited” they should actually just stick to their word. Not rugpull their fanbase to just get their player count up for a short amount of time.
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