@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.

Of course not. If they are going to destroy the value of really rare previously limited cosmetics I mind as well own them anyway. Wouldn’t make sense not to seeing how stupidly easy it is to earn doubloons now.

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So to summarise this long thread of indignation and outrage :

Returning cosmetic that I own already = BAD
Returning cosmetic that I don't own = Well I might as well partake....

My work here is done.

@pc-monkfish Then what are you doing here, pushing for cosmetic access for all? If you supposedly could care less, then surely there's no problem with allowing people to have some unique cosmetics. (ツ)_/¯ Talk about projection

@pc-monkfish said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

Entitlement implies I want or expect the sniper.
I have merely poked fun at the pearl clutching of yourself as you bemoan your precious cosmetics being made available again.
As you explain above it did not appear to be difficult to get them originally, and some back then that played the game perhaps did not get the sniper and you are resentful that they can now get it.

Right entitlement, you feel that cosmetics from a limited time event FROM YEAR 1 should make a return just for you or others to purchase even though you were not around for the event. With 0 regard to veteran players progress. It’s not entitlement that I want to keep something I earned and was told to be sacred to stay that way. I’ve missed plenty of cosmetics over the years but I don’t feel so entitled that I demand they bring them back just so I can earn them again. Like I said defeats the purpose and only value/ progression in the game.

I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.
Seems like good game design that they HAVE brought the cosmetics back if players had to choose between them back in the day.>

Of course not. If they are going to destroy the value of really rare previously limited cosmetics I mind as well own them anyway. Wouldn’t make sense not to seeing how stupidly easy it is to earn doubloons now.

In regards to 'not working' to obtain more doubloons - I am happy to wait till the economy is fixed rather than hunt to deprive other pirates of their limited currency.

There’s a lot of ways to earn doubloons easily. You don’t have to steal them, I just happen to have fun doing it and it ends up being extremely effective. You get 600 per month basically for free (doubloon chest voyages). You can stack FOTD (slow but works). Or just steal them like myself. Not to mention the plunder pass basically gives you them for free for basically just existing.

All in all re-releasing these cosmetics just sets a horrible precedent that they for some reason feel the need to continue. Tons of items over the years got this treatment. Spinal figure head, 6-pack, and most notably obsidian capstan. Obsidian capstan used to be one of the coolest pieces in the game, only person I knew with one was a guy who made it to the finals or semi-finals of the NAL. (Really cool). But since rare opened it up to streams and sot partners it’s been literally handed out like candy.

@valor-omega said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pc-monkfish Let's not skip around the point being made. You want x or y cosmetic that was limited and feel that you should have access to it, regardless of how others feel/the work put in to obtain

Bruh, this is maybe a talking point in your seething group chats but please don't try and project it onto me.
At no point have I expressed a desire in ANY of the returning cosmetics.
I have 5 pages of snipers and am not in hurry to add yet another skin to be lost amongst the sea of cosmetics.
Same goes for the other cosmetics.

The only entitlement I see is those on the other side of the argument who seemingly lack the self awareness to realise that the Duke shop may be an opportunity to get cosmetics they missed in the past.

@oldreclaimer
I guess those were event specific, but i think what Drew ment with that, was uneque/one of a kind items like the 3 reaper sails (+ flags and hull) or the hungering one figurehead you mentioned.
Those likely wont return.

But the return of the other sets i mentioned, were hinted at by Drew by saying, that sets that can still be bought partially, will return completely.
So while they are event specific, those are exeptions to the rule you mentioned.

@oldreclaimer For me, it's the Bonecrusher ship set. You had to be online for that awesome event during Cursed Sails. I've only seen a handful of players with that set over the years, and I've talked to a few and we talked about how much fun it was, etc.

Just really cool to see some of the older players still around, and you wouldn't know it outside looking at their account history.

@dermasterbob

All the sets you mentioned are event specific, they should not return as per Rate claims.

Those were not login bonus or that you needed to play on specific days to have them, you had to take part on particular events, they mean that you took part of that and the cosmetic is there to show that you were there.

If you werent there for the Forsaken Shores why should you be able to buy it after? Same for the other ones, the mercenary stuff you had to take part of specific missions when they were introduced só the same thing. Hungering One? Same. Bonecrusher? Same. And this is from someone that missed the bonecrusher one.

This is a game were cosmetics are the currency, specially for seasoned players, Rare is just removing "value" from old players and offer them to newer ones, there are so many old cosmetics that dont belong to events that could return, or even recolours as you mentioned.

@oldreclaimer said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

My stance is the stance Rare shared in one of the videos but didnt kept, no old cosmetics tied to specific events would return.

Untill now they have cept their promises.
They wanted to bring back sets that are partially available already and now make them fully available again.
So what they can bring back under that rule is, bonecrusher, wailing barnacle, forsaken ashes and mercenary.
What else will return, or if anything else will return, is still a mystery, but untill now they broke no promises.
(At least if you're talking about recent videos)

But I agree that this devalues the cosmetics and I would've been fine with reskins of similar quality.
Rare should have released more event cosmetics in the recent years, so that good timelimited cosmetics aren't tied to year one and two only.
I think the lack of good event cosmetics, is one of the main reasons, why players that started after year two, desire old cosmetics so much, because in comparison to veterans, we have almost nothing special/specific to our play period (titles and trinkets dont count as special to me).

@oldreclaimer This 10000%. It feels so shallow. It might be one thing if something of equal value was given to us veterans, but nope. We get some uninteresting doubloon themed cosmetics, meanwhile new players get full access to some of the rarest and coolest items they weren't even around for.

I really just wanted more new stuff not re realese of old stuff because it was cheapest thing to do.

@valor-omega

The people they are trying to cater will drop the game ASAP for the next big thing while the more older players will continue to invest in the game.

A game that is about cosmetics is removing the "value" from these old players to give it to the new ones.

My stance is the stance Rare shared in one of the videos but didnt kept, no old cosmetics tied to specific events would return.

@pc-monkfish Let's not skip around the point being made. You want x or y cosmetic that was limited and feel that you should have access to it, regardless of how others feel/the work put in to obtain it.

Sure not every cosmetic is made equal and some were more difficult to obtain than others, but the idea remains that some things should stay unique. Recolors exist for a reason.

@pure-xreactions The level of entitlement that some people have in video games, is absolutely astounding to me. They literally want everything handed to them on a silver platter with no effort, and no care to what others think. Them them them. Sad that Rare is catering to this type of player, just for the sake of numbers.

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

Proving my point further. You have a SECOND chance to earn some of the rarest cosmetics in the game and it’s still too much work, still too expensive. Anything more than sailing between the 2 same islands for you is too much work it seems. Like I said crazy entitlement.

Entitlement implies I want or expect the sniper.
I have merely poked fun at the pearl clutching of yourself as you bemoan your precious cosmetics being made available again.
As you explain above it did not appear to be difficult to get them originally, and some back then that played the game perhaps did not get the sniper and you are resentful that they can now get it.

Sad to know I missed out on other items because I picked the mercenary sniper, only for it to be released back to everyone anyway.

I trust if these items you missed originally come back to Duke's shop you will stick to your principles and not buy them.
Seems like good game design that they HAVE brought the cosmetics back if players had to choose between them back in the day.

In regards to 'not working' to obtain more doubloons - I am happy to wait till the economy is fixed rather than hunt to deprive other pirates of their limited currency.
A moral decision I would make anyway but aided by practical limitations of the solo slooper.

@hiradc ok I don’t really understand your post the way you worded it but I’ll try my best.

To earn the mercenary sniper back in 2018 (not sure when but it was when the devils roar had just come out). You had to complete this specific mercenary voyage and then you were allowed to buy the sniper.

The kicker was that back then you could only earn so many doubloons per update, so you had to pick and choose which items you wanted and which you didn’t. Sad to know I missed out on other items because I picked the mercenary sniper, only for it to be released back to everyone anyway.

Again they could have just solved this by simply giving veterans a mk2 version of the item. A “dirty” variant someone came up with. Great idea really. That way veterans don’t feel cheated, and newer players are able to earn that cosmetic. My personal opinion limited cosmetics should stay limited and developers shouldn’t be rug pulling their players just to get them to play more.

@pure-xreactions can I clarify what did you have to do to earn it originally? I thought they had said the general approach was if it was just a case of logon to collect then they are happy to re-release, if it was a time limited event then they didn't intend on bringing back those items. The difference between 'earning'

@pc-monkfish said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

New Gen? haha - is that nomenclature used in the elitist discords? Guard your precious things o my brother. Nothing is sacred.

“Nothing is sacred” sounds like a person who has 0 rare cosmetics in the game who just wants everything handed down to them.

Nah I wont't bother. Don't get my kicks from stealing the new currency off other pirates.
You also need 4.5k to buy everything in Dukes emporium (if you need it) so you better spend a bit more time stealing.

Proving my point further. You have a SECOND chance to earn some of the rarest cosmetics in the game and it’s still too much work, still too expensive. Anything more than sailing between the 2 same islands for you is too much work it seems. Like I said crazy entitlement.

@ewokbuilder your clearly new gen. Because if you actually played the game back then you’d realize doubloons were released per update in extremely limited amounts. I bought the mercenary sniper and sails etc but ended up missing out on some of the wailing barnacle stuff because I spent all of my doubloons and literally wasn’t allowed to earn more, I missed out on other stuff to buy the mercenary sniper but I don’t feel entitled to wailing barnacle stuff. I made my choice and I’m ok with that. That’s why its really cool to see someone with those items. I dont have them but it is cool to see how far people have come.

I’m not like you, I wouldn’t feel entitled to say season 1 skins in Fortnite if I didn’t play the game back then, it shows peoples progress and gives there time played some actual meaning. Re-releasing cosmetics like this squanders the entire point, especially in a game like sea of thieves that is purely based off of cosmetics. I’m sure you would be saying the same thing if you had any rare cosmetics.

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pc-monkfish oh look another new gen feeling entitled to something they didn’t earn. By your logic no cosmetics are a flex and we should re-release NAL, SOC, and any arena sails because people flex them in guilds. Re-releasing cosmetics like this makes no sense and it defeats the only value/progression this game has to offer. I earned over 3k doubloons this weekend by doing my voyages and then stealing the remainder throughout the rest of the weekend. If you’re somewhat competent and put just a little time in it’s really not that hard to do.

And you earned it? By earning a single comm and paying five doubloons a few months into release?

You’re basically saying “They can bring back rare cosmetics, but not MY rare cosmetics!”

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pc-monkfish oh look another new gen feeling entitled to something they didn’t earn.

New Gen? haha - is that nomenclature used in the elitist discords? Guard your precious things o my brother. Nothing is sacred.

I earned over 3k doubloons this weekend by doing my voyages and then stealing the remainder throughout the rest of the weekend. If you’re somewhat competent and put just a little time in it’s really not that hard to do.

Nah I wont't bother. Don't get my kicks from stealing the new currency off other pirates.
You also need 4.5k to buy everything in Dukes emporium (if you need it) so you better spend a bit more time stealing.
Oh and more stock will be added at the next Weekender and on and on and on it goes.
My point not exactly disproved.

@potatosord Respectfully, I'm not conflating anything, nor is it an invalid criticism. If you take away the physicality of the idea, the root of the discussion (wanting a unique item that is no longer accessible), remains the exact same, no matter the medium.

My point is that in life, you don't always get what you want/get to do what you want. In every aspect of human life, and from birth, we're taught to value the things in which we put hard work into, and in life sometimes we miss things that we'd otherwise like to have taken part in, and we accept it and move on. I missed the wailing barnacle weapons due to work, but I'm not going to beg Rare to bring them back, just to satisfy my own selfish desire for some pixels - that's entirely selfish.

That is the pure textbook definition of entitlement, friend: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement - "belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" You want access to cosmetics that were special/limited from before you even played, and expect to be able to get said items.

Your entire counter-argument is hinging on the idea that because these cosmetics hold no apparent value, that means it should just be openly accessible. Yet you yourself are applying said value to these cosmetics by implying they need to be readily available for your own gain. Why is what you want and your experience more important/valid than what others want/experience? Yea, the game is entirely based on cosmetics, but there's not a single major set that doesn't have at least one recolor (bonecrusher has at least two currently). What is so horrible about letting the original one be exclusive to the folks who actually participated?

But in either case, all that is to say that none of this discourse matters anyway, since Rare is clearly fine with devaluing people's past time/effort. But hey, at least you get to play dress up, meanwhile all veterans get is lame doubloon cosmetics we'll never use.

@valor-omega said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

Is it good overall? I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say. But what I can say is that people are raised in this scenario of scarcity, and grow to believe in and value the things they work hard for. That's the reason people are upset; they worked for these cosmetics when they were rewards for current content, and are now being practically given away.

Go look at the values of old cars. You can buy an old Jaguar for $10k. Used to be a $100k car. You can get a used 2005 lamborghini for under $80k when it used to be $300k. Is that unfair to the guy who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for it new to buy it from him for a tiny fraction of the cost? What about consoles? I remember when Gamestop was selling used GameCubes for $8. Is it unfair to all the people who spent $250 on them when it was new? You talk about "this is just how things work" but neglect that digital items don't require resources and that as things get older they lose value. I have a Xerox computerised typewriter that sold for nearly $5000 USD in 1984 when it was made. I spent $20 to get it at a thrift shop. Is that unfair to the people who spent 250x as much as I did 40 years ago?

Is it "uNfAiR" to the people who bought emporium stuff that a lot of it is now free on twitch drops? Should they be compensated because they spent money on something and now someone else is getting it for free?

@valor-omega You are conflating real life physical things that have real life physical values and require resources (which cost money) with digital items that require no resource to make, there is no limitation on the number of digital items that can exist. A gem takes time and a lot of energy to make, whereas once the cosmetic has been made and released to the game, there is nothing that makes it limited aside from the devs. This is not a valid comparison.

There is no entitlement in wanting to earn a cosmetic in a cosmetic based game. At no point did I say I wanted them all given to me for free, I said I wanted them to be accessible. It still took work to get the bone crusher and famous pirate stuff. I'm still willing to do commendations, whatever it may be to earn them, but saying I'm not allowed to earn them (again, they do not require resources to remain in the game once released) because I didn't play at a specific time is not only gatekeeping for a false sense of rarity and superiority, but it actively makes the game worse for every player who joins after that point.

I have the best moustache in the game because I did 5 skeleton forts on one specific weekend. I don't think I'm more deserving of it because I played those 2 days than people who didn't play on those days, and I think it makes the game experience worse overall for most players to make it so that there are items you can only get if you play at a specific time. I've had players ask me where they can get my moustache and I always have to tell them they can't. They ask if it will be available again in the future and I have to tell them that it will not. It genuinely makes me feel sad and mad inside to have to tell them that the cool cosmetic they saw me with in the cool pirate cosmetic game is something they will never be able to get because they didn't play once specific weekend.

@potatosord Because that's how video games, and unfortunately real life work. People assign rarity to things that are scarce/not easily attainable by others. It's the same reason why gold, diamonds, other gem stones, etc are so expensive, it's the same reason why there are literal pieces of cardboard worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, the same reason why Bentley cars are half a million or more - rarity/scarcity.

Is it good overall? I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say. But what I can say is that people are raised in this scenario of scarcity, and grow to believe in and value the things they work hard for. That's the reason people are upset; they worked for these cosmetics when they were rewards for current content, and are now being practically given away.

We can discuss FOMO being good or bad until we turn purple, but it's part of life whether we like it or not - sometimes things happen and we miss out on unique opportunities, but unlike in real life, gamers clamor for unlimited chances at getting x or y unique item.

You say it's a "sad type of superiority" to want to maintain uniqueness for items, but I say it's a sad type of entitlement to be expected to be given everything to you on a silver platter, regardless if you've earned it or not, simply because you want it. You say that a video game is meant to be enjoyed, to which I agree - but let me ask this; why is your enjoyment of a game hindered/barred because you're unable to have full access to some cosmetics you weren't around for?

Do you also go to Taco Bell and demand that they make you the discontinued chicken taquitos, nacho fries, or spicy gordita crunch wraps, and then get huffy when they won't make it? So why are video games different? It's the same principle, yet people expect video games to be somehow absolved of FOMO, when the rest of the world practically runs on it.