(Sunken Shrines) When a ship sinks/scuttles, release all the loot its loot siren held.

@matroos-mens thats a horrible idea, it will just make people not want to do the shrines because its way more toxic to sink a ship with nobody on it and take whatever loot they already added to the siren than to wait nearby for them to finish the shrine and call for the loot to rise, you can easily sail in and attack while the loot is being placed on the ship.

@ninja-naranja except isn't that how all remote-destination missions were handled, like Vaults and lost Shipments? I'd argue you're absolutely deservant of their loot, because you killed and sank them.

@amybun said:

more toxic to sink a ship with nobody on it

Yeah, so much for consequences leaving a ship unattended. It's not like different remote-activity events such as Vaults needed a hotfix because people CBA to watch your surroundings, because they know the game's a PvEvP game, and other players may always swoop in to battle them for their spoils.

wait nearby for them to finish the shrine and call for the loot to rise

Except they don't. When they see there's a ship further away stationed and they don't trust it, they're not gonna touch that loot for a while, and then NOBODY then can get it. There's no timer for the crew to go by, they literally just need to wait and 'exist' in the server for it to remain.

It goes way further beyond than 'hiding' the loot because that can an enemy at least find if the defenders didn't outwit them, and islands reset if you leave them unattended for too long. Nobody can ever contest it, nobody can ever do the same shrine until THEY claim the loot.

Being sunk is a meaningless loss/risk, because they can store every profit for PvP in an intangible place, until they return when it's safe less the pvper wants to waste time lurking the shrine for hours. Hence why the suggestion says; only liberate the loot when it's clear they failed to defend/contest the shrine, and/or have left the server.

there should certainly be a timer on the mermaid. 10/15 minutes after you've packed the loot if you haven't unpacked it yet then the mermaid should automatically do it. that gives you enough time to sail back over to your location if your sunk and fight over the loot but also means PvPers dont die of boredom

Is that a new type of "red sea ranting" format?

If you want loot, why not ally up with people? Ooooooooh no, THE HORROR!!!!!!! :D

I'd rather they not kill cool stuff that works fine

@sweetsandman There is nothing "outsmarting" anybody by suiciding into the red sea.

@sshteeve Free loot without any effort needed to watch, guard or defend against contestants in a PvEvP game because nobody can touch or interupt you until you declare it's safe?

No thanks.

@drizkillz said in (Sunken Shrines) When a ship sinks/scuttles, release all the loot its loot siren held.:

@matroos-mens It's not your loot until stolen and in your hands

Except for the first time in its 3 years, the game now literally made a mechanic where you CAN'T even steal it in the first place.

@ninja-naranja Nobody said anything about an unmanned ship. I specifically mentioned "they were clearly contested or taken out, either in ambush or upfront fight".

Even if they lose in a proper sea battle, the loot is still to the defenders.

@thrownbacchus I didn't mention anything about an unmanned ship. This loot stalemate exists in ANY form of loss; ambush, AND straight-up fight.

Even if, say, the galleon saw another galleon b-line to them while they just wrapped up the shrine, but got enough time to prepare and position, they still won't lose anything, even if it was a completely fair fight.

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@thrownbacchus It very specifically mentioned "in ambush or in upfront fight". But I'm not surprised why people don't read that and immediately jump to the conclusion it's talking about raiding an unmanned ship.

@DrizKillz so the only way to win over the attacker is to waste their time until they give up? Pray tell me how that is a GOOD design choice?

@kapetan-gg said in (Sunken Shrines) When a ship sinks/scuttles, release all the loot its loot siren held.:

All you need to do is change your strategy and tactics. In the end DEVs wanted to achieve that.

From practice over my runs in the last 2 days, that won't happen. They won't pop the loot siren if they see any player ship nearby them, even if it never intended to go for them. They just go to the next location and hold the loot 'reserved' for them. This also wasn't the DEV's choice, they did this mechanic to save wasting time from loot-hauling, not creating an intangible zone of loot in the case they get sunk. This was never found as an issue in Insiders because nobody PvP's there.

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I'm not sure what PvPers you ever came across, but that is factually not true, PvP battles last for far longer and most of our fights aren't random, new or worthless ships. On top of that it's purely disgusting and disrespectful you not only generalize PvPers here but also stereotype and talk smack about under the guise of 'this is my opinion'.

@sweetsandman I don't know what kind of tactics you're adcovating but in all the 3 years I've played SoT that has NEVER resolved the way you describe. They still know you were there and have their eyes on you.

Especially now with the map extension that's flat out impossible to do because the border is much further away from any island you could possibly hide behind.

@sshteeve Except it doesn't look like you're realizing this loot Stalemate exists far beyond leaving your ship unattended. And I'm frankly surprised why you're still hellbent on assuming this is an 'unmanned ship' fight while multiple times has been written that it isn't.

When everything's wrapped up and you have eyes on your ship again, even when you have full ability to observe, prepare and position against a ship that's having their eyes on you, that loot is STILL unavailable to get. Even in a fully fair fight where you have had every ability to use your full skill and attention to fight off an attacked, on a loss you still don't lose anything, and on their win they still didn't win anything. No matter how well you or they fought, no matter how the odds were, no matter who won or loss, that loot is still yours to collect at any time only you wish to. In a PvEvP game, that's bad.