Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves

  • I have played both platform and i have to urge the developers to remove cross platform.
    The setting that allows to choose Xbox players is there as a facade.
    And to the people who say, just get good, i have played this game since day one sunk both types of players due to my tactics and critical thinking, but that will not help you much against a PC player and your only hope is that you get lucky and they make severe mistakes.
    It's not just their use of mouse and keyboard, but it is way more extensive than that.

    Usage of SSD: up to half the loading times on xbox, meaning they will be able to tend to their ship faster than you can.

    Special network cards: reducing latency to extents where they are more in sync with the server. I had missed important cannon shots because the server updates slow on exbox and as soon as my seemingly perfect cannon shot fires, the latency updates my game and i missed greatly, because the seas elevation decreases and inclgreases all the time, yet pc players have that update faster and more smoothly.

    144fps: this one is a no brainer. At that framerate, its easy to always stay behind your enemy and disorientate them. In certain cases you can skip out their view immediately. Your brain does not have to fill in the blanks like it does on 30 fps, thus you can be way more responsive and tactical with your movement and fighting.

    PC players that say "get good" are just toxig by trying to keep these issues on the down low.
    Another problem is that people say that if they cut off crossplay it would alienate the PC community. Why?
    Well, its fun to win. They would be less incentivised to play against other PC players because it would be more work for the same level of gratification that until now, they've been pampered with.
    Why make more effort now, they would just find somethong else to play. It is definately not because there aren't enough PC players.

    A voyage takes usually between 45 min to 2 hours to complete. Its not worth it if you have a high chance of sinking and on PC, while there is one, its not high. They would just go play something that can give them that gratification and only have to play 10 or 20 minutes.
    I love this game but i may find it not worth playing soon if this continues.

    The most valuable thing we have as people is time. And i thing because of these factors, a PC players time is rewarded greater than an Xbox player at this point.
    Again, on PC i have sunk endless xbox gallions solo on a sloop. Technical limitations would not allow me to do the same on xbox to PC gallions.

    Quick note before i finish, i do not want private servers. That would ruin the idea of the game. Just remove crossplay. If you want to pool crossplay, do it with other consoles. Not PC.

    I'm sorry for any spelling mistakes. I do not have autocorrect on.

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  • @skylerpk Does this include us PC players with machines that can only run at 30fps at best against xbox users with mouse and keyboard and an ssd?
    If so, I probably should not feel bad about my long load times.
    If not, I would love to be separated from the xbox players that have a technological advantage over me.

  • Thank you for sharing 😂

  • Yet SoT is more popular than ever.
    I wonder how many fish were caught in a day?

    We all sail on a sea of salty tears.

    /raise tankard

  • 90% of the time the Xbox players that are complaining would struggle just as much on PC since they aren't good enough at the game but want to blame it on something to feel better.

    I play on both Xbox & PC and i can reck people easily on Xbox but the only issue i got there is the low FPS (locked to 30) which makes it feel super weird at times when you are used to 100+ FPS.

    Get a keyboard & mouse if you think you will perform better since Xbox is supporting that now.

  • On xbox and I do just fine.

  • Xbox players = pc player + console player + cloud player
    I understand your point but the varieties of conditions will always be there, different console, different pc, different input device, different screen, etc.
    Soon you will have Sea Of Thieves running on pc, One X, One S, "Two" S, "Two" X, phones, televisions, etc. It is not going to separate each one, it does not make sense and it goes against creating community.

    It is not only in Sea Of Thieves, crossplay is part of the ecosystem, it is also being implemented in other stores. I am in favor of everyone playing the same game together on the same platform, Xbox (console, pc, cloud).

  • weird. my wife and Xbox friends do just fine on Xbox in PvP. it may just be your skill level.

  • @skylerpk I agree some pc players just can't be beat but I play on xbox with controller and I have spawn killed plenty of pc players, just last night me and my friend stole an athena off of a brig all three players were pc. And while there is no cross play opt out just find a pc player for your crew that can actually pvp because there are a lot that are bots and play like they are on xbox at low sensativity.

  • Xbox player here, I often struggle against skilled PC players, it goes too fast, the time it takes me to proper aim or go into melee fight, I'm already being shot with an EoR or flintlock, I try to heal as quickly as possible, blocking doesn't work most of the time obviously because they're always in my back and it's very hard to keep track.

    I think I can definitely get better but there is a limit to what I can do on a Xbox with a controller. I like the challenge though but I don't like those who spawn camp and brag in Arena.

    I was in a open crew this afternoon, we were being spawn camped at the beginning of the match, after many deaths, all my crewmates left because of it, I was all alone. I tried my best, I've been killed like a dozen of times then they sailed away but there was still this PC player left spawn camping with EOR and Cutlass, got killed a dozen more times (and this guy danced over my body each time) but I managed to finally kill him by pure chaotic luck. Felt good but it also felt wrong.

    Good attitude can change a lot the perception Xbox players have of PC players (and of course it goes both ways). I don't know you but when I feel I have a strong advantage over other players, it feels wrong to me to force them into a fight they will lose each time. But I guess some folks really like that.

  • I just enjoy it cuz as an xbox player I do have PC friends I like to play with on this game and most of the time I'm the one on offense and defense on our crew and we usually prevail against others.

    We dont win every time, but I feel that's what's makes a game keep cycling, noone is supposed to win all the time but for those who do win most of the time I feel are just usually more coordinated than us at times, doesnt really bother me, I'm happy that I got waste 4 hours of my time at least even playing the game in general. :)

  • @jetorchidee97 an elite controller definitely helps. Having the jump button mapped to a paddle makes a huge difference. It's an expensive luxury, though.

  • @marsmayflower I think I could remap the jump on my og controller but I'm too comfy with how it is and probably lazy too. An elite controller could be good, maybe one day!

    I don't mind getting bested even though I rage behind my screen 😂 And honestly, each time I suspect a PC player, it's confirmed in the Recent Players feature. As I said, I like the challenge but to me, there's a noticeable difference that cannot be put under the carpet like it's nothing.

    It won't stop me to try again and again by playing and creating ways that could challenge them (also why I don't scuttle). The sad part is when it leaves a bitter taste, I'm quite resilient, but I feel some could be drawn away because of it.

  • An SSD helps with loading times, but you cannot repair a ship faster this way ... also, 144MHz is not by itself helpful, you need to have the appropriate reflexes to get a benefit out of this and even then the measurable benefit will not be much more than a feeling and the mechanics in this game are built to alleviate the benefits of using a mouse.

    I am mostly playing on PC and I lost to players on consoles since they did the right thing at the right moment.

  • No!
    I am playing on pc. My friend is playing on Xbox. We want to play together.

  • Some PC players are the best of the best in this game, simply because they know every mechanic and are very good with their controls and have impressive reaction times, strategizing abilities, etc. This is not due to their platform, it is their skill and their skill alone. They don't teleport around when playing, they just move very well. They don't do extra damage, you're just not seeing the other one hitting you. They don't load in much faster, they just send in a player to reinforce when they lose one to the fight, and they're likely impressed that you managed to kill one. They represent maybe the top 1% of the top 1% of this game, and you really can't base the assumptions about 30% of the playerbase on them alone. Some XBox players are nearly as good or just as good as them, after all.

  • Another post loaded with rediculous "facts".

    ~ Posted from my special network card

  • @skylerpk ugh another one jesus can we close this one? we got an active post already we dont need two soon this discussion post will be called "how many posts about crossplay can we get?"

  • @skylerpk said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    I have played both platform and i have to urge the developers to remove cross platform.

    I had both platforms before I had to get rid of the xbox a few months ago and so I urge the developers to do the complete opposite.

    The setting that allows to choose Xbox players is there as a facade.

    No its not

    And to the people who say, just get good, i have played this game since day one sunk both types of players due to my tactics and critical thinking, but that will not help you much against a PC player and your only hope is that you get lucky and they make severe mistakes.

    I have sunk PC players on my xbox, all of my crewmates that are on xbox also sink PC players no problem. Its all upto skill and capabilities. Be smart. What about the xbox players that say they have absolutely no problem against PC players? Does that mean you maybe aren't as good as you think you are?? Usually the case with most xbox players. Most xbox games aren't this brutal, when a player has skin in the game and lose, they will find any and all excuses to absolve themselves of their faults.

    It's not just their use of mouse and keyboard, but it is way more extensive than that.

    No it really isn't. On either counts.

    Usage of SSD: up to half the loading times on xbox, meaning they will be able to tend to their ship faster than you can.

    SSD's are not PC exclusive. They can be used on xbox as well, so this argument is automatically invalid.

    Just like there are different versions of the xbox, there are different versions of PC's. PC is the one hardware that has massive disparities in capabilities. Most players don't have super computers with water cooling. They have potatoes that can barely run any game on mediocre settings.

    So if you have a problem with hardware being faster, why aren't you complaining about the differences between xbox one original and the updated versions?

    Special network cards: reducing latency to extents where they are more in sync with the server. I had missed important cannon shots because the server updates slow on exbox and as soon as my seemingly perfect cannon shot fires, the latency updates my game and i missed greatly, because the seas elevation decreases and inclgreases all the time, yet pc players have that update faster and more smoothly.

    You really have no idea how networks do you? What about the network cards that xbox's have that turn them into time machines? I mean if you Press A and hold the start button and lick the controller, your xbox turns into a time machine. See I can make stuff up too.

    144fps: this one is a no brainer. At that framerate, its easy to always stay behind your enemy and disorientate them. In certain cases you can skip out their view immediately. Your brain does not have to fill in the blanks like it does on 30 fps, thus you can be way more responsive and tactical with your movement and fighting.

    This is really a no brainer. Framerates do no make you better at video games. They just don't. You aren't going to go from a 0.8kdr to a 3.0 kdr just because of framerates. The only players that framerates affect are PRO level players. If you were pro level then you wouldn't be making this post in the first place so I guess you aren't a pro.

    No one here is going to be exceptionally better or even marginally better with better framerates. If you really want to complain about framerates then understand that unless a computer is REALLY high end, keeping a constant high frame rate is impossible. Xbox actually works better in this department because the framerates are always constant. Do you know how bad it is visually to have your game go from 80fps down to 20fps?? This happens frequently on PC but doesn't on xbox. So I guess xbox has a unfair advantage over PC.

    raises pitchfork - eViL xBoX iS sUpEr UnFaIr!!!!

    PC players that say "get good" are just toxig by trying to keep these issues on the down low.

    Honestly the worst types of players I've run into have always been on xbox. I've been pretty cordial when I'm on the mic. The second someone suspects I'm on PC they scream at my whole crew, who again by the way is on xbox, calling us racial slurs. How they have conquest with our maternal parental figures. ALL THE WHILE of me never leaving the boat. They are on PC by associations. Xbox players are the most toxic by far, at least all the ones I've run into have been pretty salty and vulgar.

    Another problem is that people say that if they cut off crossplay it would alienate the PC community. Why?

    Because it will. These arguments have proven that its not about fairness. The crossplay argument was always about the pure hatred and prejudice of the PC community. We tried to suggest work arounds or balance changes to the game (REASONABLE CHANGES) but the xbox community wasn't having it.

    We'd suggest what if the opt out server was Input related and not hardware. As long as PC uses a controller its okay.

    Nope. The xbox community kicked and screamed and made another list of demands. Unreasonable demands. Then some let it slip how they really feel about the community. Some called us a tumor that had to be cut out. Others suggested that we were a plague on the community. Others just outright said that they didn't want to play with PC regardless of anything period.

    So if you really look at it, xbox community is the problem, not pc. We've tried to reach a middle ground but you guys weren't having it. We at least tried to keep the community together. You guys are the ones being toxic and selfish.

    Well, its fun to win. They would be less incentivised to play against other PC players because it would be more work for the same level of gratification that until now, they've been pampered with.

    Oh the "easy target" argument. I love how little you think of yourselves. This game is not an FPS. You learn as you go in this game. There are xbox players that completely disagree with you and also have been winning against PC players, even in Arena. So again I ask, how good do you think you are when other players are doing what you deem impossible to do?

    I've seen xbox players complain about being sunk by a Galleon full of PC players but heres the thing, regardless of PC or Xbox, its dead-even when sailing the ship. There have been implications that somehow PC players make the ship go faster or are better at sailing the ships which is completely false.

    Most complaints always start with "I got caught and sunk while playing solo, PC players sunk us, it was completely unfair, PC yada yada yada." Its always a solo player getting caught by a bigger ship. YOU GOT CAUGHT. Learn to play the game, stop being complacent, learn and get better at the game.

    Why make more effort now, they would just find somethong else to play. It is definately not because there aren't enough PC players.

    PC players are less than half of the games population. You have more chances to run into xbox players but apparently every single time you and other xbox players play, there are only EVER pc players am I right?

    A voyage takes usually between 45 min to 2 hours to complete. Its not worth it if you have a high chance of sinking and on PC, while there is one, its not high. They would just go play something that can give them that gratification and only have to play 10 or 20 minutes.

    Huh? What about xbox players getting the same gratification from spawn camping and trash talking?? Don't act all high and mighty, xbox players do it just as much if not more. The toxic players you are thinking of are mostly teens on xbox.

    I love this game but i may find it not worth playing soon if this continues.

    I also love this game, as do a lot of us, at least we try to fight to keep the community together because we actually do love this game.

    The most valuable thing we have as people is time. And i thing because of these factors, a PC players time is rewarded greater than an Xbox player at this point.

    I love the phrase but its a load of hogwash. If time was the most valuable thing people had we would use it better. We don't. We think we do for a day or 2 when we get that "I had an epiphany" but we all go back to wasting it on facebook, instagram, twitter, imgur.

    So no a PC player is not rewarded greater. Xbox players can play, just learn how to play and stop playing the blame game and take responsibility. Try to figure out ways to keep the community together if you love the game so much.

    At one point I thought of the game making players on PC stand still and ADS to have to fire our weapons. No more hip fire. Also suggested changes to meelee combat. Again none of you were having it. Framerates, SSD's, my grandmothers cookie recipe. Apparently we still had ALL OF THE ADVANTAGES.

    Its not because I thought PC had some super advantages no, I wanted to find some changes that I could live with to keep the community together. I already play with a real life handicap, might as well play with an ingame one as well.

    Again, on PC i have sunk endless xbox gallions solo on a sloop. Technical limitations would not allow me to do the same on xbox to PC gallions.

    So you are bad on xbox thats good to know, because my crewmates again are all on xbox and have sunk countless galleons and have won over half of the arena matches. They have a win rate of over 60% and are xbox.

    "But you are in their crew rabble rabble rabble" - Actually they play without me A LOT. They have almost double the amount of wins I do. So no I'm not the deciding factor.

    So let me ask you again, how good do you really think you are vs how good you really are??

    Quick note before i finish, i do not want private servers. That would ruin the idea of the game. Just remove crossplay. If you want to pool crossplay, do it with other consoles. Not PC.

    No, don't remove cross play, keep the community together.

    I'm sorry for any spelling mistakes. I do not have autocorrect on.


    Stop trying to put xbox players on some higher pedestal. You guys trash talk as much as us, probably even more because the majority age range for xbox players are teens. We know how teens are on the internet so going with logic, xbox players are more toxic.

    We could work to keep the community together. We could work to make things better overall for everyone and keep our community TOGETHER.

    It's prejudices and hatred. Work with us not against us. Segregation is not the answer.

  • Thank you for helping the rest of us out.

    PC players need to stop bashing us XBOX players for wanting to eliminate forced crossplay.

  • @agent-samuraii
    Opt out is coming to adventure. Be patient. Also, there are people on both platforms for both opinions. I'm on Xbox and disagree with opt out, and some pc players agree.

  • @agent-samuraii said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    Thank you for helping the rest of us out.

    PC players need to stop bashing us XBOX players for wanting to eliminate forced crossplay.

    XBOX players need to stop bashing us PC players for wanting to keep the game as it was intended,

    I really don't get you people, you bought a game advertised as crossplay only to complain about it afterwards. I've returned to the game 2 weeks ago and have been keeping an eye on the forums and it's always the same XBOX people complaining and demanding a hard opt-out. Most of the times when a "fresh" XBOX face replies somewhere he/she says he/she can sink & kill PC players just fine.

    There are so many different hardwares operating the game, just as XBOX has multiple versions with different hardware, SSD, ect. so are there huge differences at the PC side. There are likely more potato PC's then there are super PC's operating the game. If you split the game by platform the more expensive systems will have an advantage. The new XBOX Scarlet will dominate on XBOX side while expensive PC's will dominate on PC side. Will each XBOX version have their own servers? Is that the next step?

  • @skylerpk said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    The most valuable thing we have as people is time.

    This is true. So why are you complaining about a video game? You're not getting these precious seconds of your life back. I'm not getting the time I spent reading or replying to this post back. The time you spent getting sunk and robbed by "PC players"? A complete waste. The time I spent not getting sunk? Also a waste.

    Bit ironic, coming around here saying your time is precious. If so, then what are you doing posting on an internet forum about a video game that features cartoon pirates Mr. Time Is So Precious?

  • @jimzir

    We bought a crossplay game unawares how disadvantageous we are to be playing Xbox.

    PC players just want to keep their easy fights.

  • @marsmayflower said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @jetorchidee97 an elite controller definitely helps. Having the jump button mapped to a paddle makes a huge difference. It's an expensive luxury, though.

    normal controller will suffice, but default hotkeys for controller as defined by RARE are very ineffective in combat situation - like right hand thumb having to alter between the right stick (aim) and A (jump) when in combat one needs to aim and jump simultaneously and no other way!

  • @agent-samuraii said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @jimzir

    We bought a crossplay game unawares how disadvantageous we are to be playing Xbox.

    PC players just want to keep their easy fights.

    You keep saying that like all PC players don't want a fair fight.

    I will fight you on my xbox I will fight you on my PC either way I will beat you cause when I lose a fight I look at what I did wrong not what they were using.

  • @badassfro said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @agent-samuraii said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @jimzir

    We bought a crossplay game unawares how disadvantageous we are to be playing Xbox.

    PC players just want to keep their easy fights.

    You keep saying that like all PC players don't want a fair fight.

    I will fight you on my xbox I will fight you on my PC either way I will beat you cause when I lose a fight I look at what I did wrong not what they were using.

    Yes! I'm not looking for easy fights, and I think no (at least most) PC players are.

    I'm not that good (yet) and I have no idea if I'm fighting XBOX or PC players. I might notice a difference if I sink more hours in the game but right now when I win it's because of mistakes the other players make, nothing else. Should there be limiting factors then I and I assume Rare want them removed as best as possible.

    I just like the experience playing with XBOX users, meeting different people every time I go onto the seas. Splitting the community is never good for a game and since PC is the smaller platform i'm afraid of longer wait times and always meeting the same people in adventure.

    Some XBOX players on this forum are almost racist against PC players, there is some much hate and selfishness. "I don't care if it hurts other players, I only care about myself" is the mindset some of you have, which is a very bad mindset for a multiplayer game with a focus on creating your own adventures with fellow players.

  • @badassfro said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @agent-samuraii said in Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves:

    @jimzir

    We bought a crossplay game unawares how disadvantageous we are to be playing Xbox.

    PC players just want to keep their easy fights.

    You keep saying that like all PC players don't want a fair fight.

    I will fight you on my xbox I will fight you on my PC either way I will beat you cause when I lose a fight I look at what I did wrong not what they were using.

    Isn't it funny? They claim PC players want to keep the lowest denominator as low as possible, then ask openly for exactly the same thing.

    PC players ask to keep their already smaller community the less fractured as possible to ensure short queues and full servers (no matter what kind of players) - HAHAHA look at PC players wanting easy fights.

    Xbox player literally wants to ensure they face less players as possible with a potential skill level higher than them - BOOHOO we have been suffering at the end of soulless monsters for so long, this is unjust, the humanity.

    Can't wait for matchmaking preference to make it to adventure so people can finally stop complaini... sorry, can't tell this one with a straight face.

  • This needs to happen. Cross play needs to be removed. It's just not fun playing against PC players

  • @skylerpk

    You are ok with machine advantages if they are xboxes? What makes going up against the latest xbox with a SSD different to the PC with similar specs? The fact that one is not branded and created by Microsoft?

    I love the fact that PC players always get generalized to have the best gear and get compared to the basic original xbox. Like everyone that plays on a PC has 3gs to drop on equipment and there are no players using external SSDs, have better internet services, special controllers, larger screens and more on the latest xboxes. If it is that common, why are you not playing on the family PC since it outclasses any console. Not to mention that the scarlet I believe will most likely also support the game, which will have a big difference in performance as well.

    Nearly every advantage named in your post is also there between xboxes, be it using a SSD, newer versions with better processors, graphics and all that.

    Crossplay is not ruining anyone's time nor valuing others more. If gaming is worth spending more money on for you and you can afford to do so, you will have some advantages and luxuries that others don't regardless of the platform you use or game you play. Welcome to a multiplayer game.

  • @badassfro

    You fight me on PC i wont even bother.

    At least on Xbox I stand a chance. Win. Or lose.

    I dont care about LOSS!! I care about SURVIVAL! About battle, being a pirate. Being able to fight, and not be humiliated.

    I’ve been encountering A LOT of Xbox players as of late and even if I lose, I survived for a fair while because they dont have rigs that are a million times faster than mine.

  • DEAR XBOX PLAYERS,

    Next time you encounter one of these "elite" PC players PLEASE invite me to your game and i will show you how its done.

    t.xboxguy

  • @nwo-azcrack a dit dans Cross platform is ruining Sea of Thieves :

    DEAR XBOX PLAYERS,

    Next time you encounter one of these "elite" PC players PLEASE invite me to your game and i will show you how its done.

    t.xboxguy

    It's because you are the best matey.

  • @nwo-azcrack And as you're the best of the best, could you do the parkour challenge at Arena Tavern with your Xbox and controller and tell us your best time? I won't even try because I'm bad but I would be curious to know what the best Xbox player would do on it? The best time is currently 39.41:

  • @jetorchidee97

    As soon as i get a chance i will. I have been foaming at the mouth to try this cause i love to jump and play around. I just started workin Tall Tales with my captain and since we dont have much time to play lately he wont let me play around with the challenge 😢

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