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When i first heard about the Pirate legend hideout, i envisioned a place where you play your tune from your ship, opening a secret hideout for you to sail in, making it a safe zone for your crew and ship as well as your own place to sell your loot.

@becausescience1 yeah a lot of people think a pirate haven poses a lot of problems : but i dont necessarily think that would be the case as long as they left it as a standard pvp area, with different npcs and things to do seperating it from the standard outposts such as dice and card games, a pet store etc.

Giving players customizable hideouts like in gta could be easily done by having one entrance for everyone to go through, but leading to big customised spaces, the individual layouts being saved against the player profiles rather than against the servers so everyones hideout is unique to how they want it setup.

I always find it funny that people ask for an Arctic region in a game very clearly set in the Caribbean.

@bran-the-ent but Theyre bringing a dark, hellish, volcanic region in too and there isnt anything like that in the carribean either?

@bran-the-ent It's not like the game is about realism.

@crimsonraziel But, there is a point at which it becomes absurdism - an arctic region in an area the devs have intentionally placed in the Caribbean would be well beyond that point.

@captain-beattie No volcanoes in the Caribbean? Are you sure about that? Really, really sure? Because that’s not true.

Volcanoes, Eruptions and Earthquakes in Caribbean - Facts and Information

It’s one thing to take features of a region and exaggerate them for gameplay purposes (a hellish volcanic region in a place known to have volcanoes, for example), it’s another to plop in features that make no sense whatsoever for a region (like oh, I don’t know, an Arctic region).

@bran-the-ent It's not more or less absurd than undead skeleton captains, magical portals and curses. I see no reason why this magic can't cool down a cursed island/biome.

According to Captain Falcore the entrance to the Sea of Thieves lies within the Bermuda Triangle. Even without magic icebergs have been seen near Bermuda, rare but still more frequent then any of the above.

@crimsonraziel said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@bran-the-ent It's not more or less absurd than undead skeleton captains, magical portals and curses. I see no reason why this magic can't cool down a cursed island/biome.

According to Captain Falcore the entrance to the Sea of Thieves lies within the Bermuda Triangle. Even without magic icebergs have been seen near Bermuda, rare but still more frequent then any of the above.

What? There is a difference between the fantastical, supernatural, and the absurd. The Skeletons, portals, and curses fit the theme of the game - a fantastical take on the Golden Age of Piracy in the Caribbean. An arctic region is absurd. Difference.

Near?! An, as in one, iceberg was spotted almost 100 years ago 150 nautical miles NE of Bermuda. That isn’t near and is in no way indicative of an arctic region. How long do you think that iceberg lasted in that area? Because it’s not there now. Having fantastical elements in a game is one thing. Radically altering the setting when one has clearly been established is another... like adding a moon base in Witcher 3. It makes zero sense.

And, the placement of the Sea of Thieves in our world wasn’t established by Falcore, it is referenced by the game itself.

@Dark-Henrik-22 Have you seen winter in the Caribbean?

@dark-henrik-22 Sure, and there could be an artifact that thrusts a region into the future with robots and tanks. Does that also fit theme of a fantastical pirate adventure based around the Golden Age of Piracy in the Caribbean? There is a point at which some things make no sense to add because of the theme. They can add all sorts of fantastical elements that keep the game within the established theme - Cursed Cannonballs, skeletons, Krakens, Megalodons, Volcanoes without making one wonder where/when we are. An Arctic Region falls outside of that... as do robots and tanks.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

I always find it funny that people ask for an Arctic region in a game very clearly set in the Caribbean.

AC: Black Flag was set in the Caribbean, and then the sequel AC: Rogue was set in the North Atlantic. The two regions aren't that far apart really.

If we have a super volatile volcanic region so close to the rest of the serene seas of the Shore's O Plenty, then it makes sense to exaggerate the distance for a new biome. maybe the Sea of Thieves is just one of many hidden seas and some places allow passage between them. This could be used as well to connect the Seas of Five Winds and the Oriental style that's in the concept art into the main game.

I would be excited to navigate ice floes and small ice clampers that damage the boat when sailed through and maybe using a blunt weapon to have more effect on "Ice skeletons"
Also taking damage and moving slower just being in the freezing water and warming up and thawing out by a fire. Even little details like seeing your breath while standing in the cold. They could do a lot for an expansion like that.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@captain-beattie No volcanoes in the Caribbean? Are you sure about that? Really, really sure? Because that’s not true.

Volcanoes, Eruptions and Earthquakes in Caribbean - Facts and Information

It’s one thing to take features of a region and exaggerate them for gameplay purposes (a hellish volcanic region in a place known to have volcanoes, for example), it’s another to plop in features that make no sense whatsoever for a region (like oh, I don’t know, an Arctic region).

I never said there were no volcanoes in the Caribbean. I know there are. But if they can exaggerate one new region to that extreme (boiling waters, dark skies, dozens of multiple active volcanoes, constant earthquakes and huge ship-sinking explosions), then surely a region in the far north that was an arctic type isn't that absurd by comparison? There were pirates that sailed arctic regions hundreds of years ago. Its actualy an interesting read.

Lyonel Perabo

Arctic Pirates

The sea of thieves is after all - a fictional land. They've refferenced the carribean in a few ways, however from what I've read, the "portal" to get to the SoT is there. Its a magical land that isn't a real place. In an online world filled with magical undead skeletons, cursed cannonballs, ancient megladons, merfolk, magic red seas that destroy your boat at the boundaries and all kinds of strange and mystical lands, I think an arctic region would be a fun addition and add more variety to the map.

@captain-beattie The devs divulged that SoT is in the Caribbean as there are clues to the placement on the map in the opening cinematic. It's just west of the British V****n Islands. But yes it's a magic place so I still think linking it to other "Magical places in the ocean" like further north or the Orient could totally be woven into the lore.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

What? There is a difference between the fantastical, supernatural, and the absurd. The Skeletons, portals, and curses fit the theme of the game - a fantastical take on the Golden Age of Piracy in the Caribbean. An arctic region is absurd. Difference.

You don't even have argument. It's not true just because you say so. Explain how it couldn't be a curse. As you said, curses fit the game. Ok, no curse … Portals fit the game too. Guess what, a portal bringing in cold/arctic water explains it as well.

Near?! An, as in one, iceberg was spotted almost 100 years ago 150 nautical miles NE of Bermuda. That isn’t near and is in no way indicative of an arctic region.

A distance that easily fits within the borders of most states of the US.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

Radically altering the setting when one has clearly been established is another... like adding a moon base in Witcher 3. It makes zero sense.

A better example would be Horizon Zero Dawn which mostly takes place in an arid climate not unlike the American southwest. Oh wait, there was an expansion called "The Frozen Wilds"

I don't think an cold climate biome is as far fetched as you imply.

@m1sterpunch said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

I always find it funny that people ask for an Arctic region in a game very clearly set in the Caribbean.

AC: Black Flag was set in the Caribbean, and then the sequel AC: Rogue was set in the North Atlantic. The two regions aren't that far apart really.

This is like saying China and Russia aren't really that far apart. But Hong Kong is pretty far from Minsk. The North Atlantic extends south to the equator and actually borders the Caribbean, but AC: Rogue was set in a very particular section of the North Atlantic, yes? Yes. And that location is a fair distance away from the Caribbean.

If we have a super volatile volcanic region so close to the rest of the serene seas of the Shore's O Plenty, then it makes sense to exaggerate the distance for a new biome. maybe the Sea of Thieves is just one of many hidden seas and some places allow passage between them. This could be used as well to connect the Seas of Five Winds and the Oriental style that's in the concept art into the main game.

A: I think you're getting your biomes mixed up... the Devil's Roar will be on the other side of the map from the Shores O' Plenty. B: There are volcanic regions in the Caribbean.

@captain-beattie said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

I never said there were no volcanoes in the Caribbean. I know there are. But if they can exaggerate one new region to that extreme (boiling waters, dark skies, dozens of multiple active volcanoes, constant earthquakes and huge ship-sinking explosions), then surely a region in the far north that was an arctic type isn't that absurd by comparison?

Yes. As I said, there's a difference between exaggerating something that exists in a region and creating another one wholesale that doesn't exist in that region.

There were pirates that sailed arctic regions hundreds of years ago. Its actualy an interesting read.

Lyonel Perabo

Arctic Pirates

The sea of thieves is after all - a fictional land. They've refferenced the carribean in a few ways, however from what I've read, the "portal" to get to the SoT is there. Its a magical land that isn't a real place. In an online world filled with magical undead skeletons, cursed cannonballs, ancient megladons, merfolk, magic red seas that destroy your boat at the boundaries and all kinds of strange and mystical lands, I think an arctic region would be a fun addition and add more variety to the map.

It is a fictional land imagined to be in a very particular place. The fact that it is fictional and fantastical doesn't give license for absurdity - i.e. space ships in Witcher 3.

The fact that pirates sailed other places is irrelevant.

Could they add a magical portal through which you sail to reach an Arctic Region - a completely different map? Sure. Of course, you'd have folks camping the portal. But, it can't be like the Devil's Roar which is an extension of the existing map.

@crimsonraziel said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

Near?! An, as in one, iceberg was spotted almost 100 years ago 150 nautical miles NE of Bermuda. That isn’t near and is in no way indicative of an arctic region.

A distance that easily fits within the borders of most states of the US.

Yes, but one rogue iceberg spotted close to 100 years ago 150 nautical miles away - that likely melted within a year or two - does not an Arctic Region make.

@m1sterpunch Horizon Zero Dawn takes place in the future in Colorado, Utah, and northern Arizona. You saying it doesn't snow in any of those places? Because, last I heard, there were ski resorts in two of those states. Also - future... setting things in the future opens up a lot. Basing things on the past, well, that's a different story.

@bahamutxzer0 If it's going to make any sense, yes... it'd have to be a portal. Ah, yes... the pirate lord "Frostbite!" Ugh. Also, the pirate lord "Techbyte!" - bringing robots, and tanks.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@dark-henrik-22 Sure, and there could be an artifact that thrusts a region into the future with robots and tanks. Does that also fit theme of a fantastical pirate adventure based around the Golden Age of Piracy in the Caribbean? There is a point at which some things make no sense to add because of the theme. They can add all sorts of fantastical elements that keep the game within the established theme - Cursed Cannonballs, skeletons, Krakens, Megalodons, Volcanoes without making one wonder where/when we are. An Arctic Region falls outside of that... as do robots and tanks.

I mentioned AC Black Flag and Rogue mainly because they took the theme of Black Flag, a pirate game set in the Caribbean, and moved it to a northern climate and even kept it somewhat historically accurate. The founding of the city I live in now takes place in the exact year Rogue is set and it's portrayed as a settlement with the oldest Protestant church in Canada as a point of interest.

Piracy was very prevalent in the North Atlantic and there's a long history of pirates and privateers with the last hanging of pirates in Halifax as late as 1844.

So while maybe having a contiguous map is not the best idea, the idea of pirating in an arctic climate totally fits the fantasy of piracy.

But yeah, also curses. There are lots of curses in this game. Why not a cursed biome in the North? Surrounded by fog (which is in actuality condensation created by drastic differences in temperature) and could easily be explained by lore.

And a cold climate is not equivalent to a moon base, or other sci-fi elements in a fantasy game based on the golden age of piracy.

@m1sterpunch And, I said pirating in the arctic climate didn't fit the fantasy of piracy where, exactly? Oh, wait... I didn't.

And, let's complete that thematic phrase there... "a fantasy game based on the golden age of piracy"... where? In the Caribbean.

@bahamutxzer0 Me making stuff up, dude? It is to laugh. I'm holding the game to it's own imaginative boundaries. As I have said repeatedly, the game has a theme. Yes, it's fantastical, but they put the Sea of Thieves in a very particular place, based on a very particular time. Those are the boundaries. I didn't create them.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@m1sterpunch And, I said pirating in the arctic climate didn't fit the fantasy of piracy where, exactly? Oh, wait... I didn't.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

I always find it funny that people ask for an Arctic region in a game very clearly set in the Caribbean.

You are equating location with time travel. And bringing up how absurd it is because of moon bases and tanks and things that obviously aren't in the "alleged time period" of the world. We are asking for a different biome with a different climate, not time travel with tanks and guns, etc. But yes we get it, you think the idea is absurd.

I welcome new areas visually diverse from what we see now. They are going one way with Forsaken Shores and I hope they explore more with future updates.

@bahamutxzer0 Curses in the Carribbean?! Yes, completely far fetched in the region known for Voodoo. And, I've already addressed that comment. And, as far as what I can sit here and do... heh. I can and I did. And, as I've said repeatedly, you can certainly add anything to a fantasy game - you could add robots to Witcher... but, does it make sense to do so? No. Does it make sense to add an Arctic region to a map based in the Caribbean? No.

@m1sterpunch said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

@m1sterpunch And, I said pirating in the arctic climate didn't fit the fantasy of piracy where, exactly? Oh, wait... I didn't.

@bran-the-ent said in New Areas, New Enemies, New Factions:

I always find it funny that people ask for an Arctic region in a game very clearly set in the Caribbean.

You are equating location with time travel. And bringing up how absurd it is because of moon bases and tanks and things that obviously aren't in the "alleged time period" of the world. We are asking for a different biome with a different climate, not time travel with tanks and guns, etc. But yes we get it, you think the idea is absurd.

I welcome new areas visually diverse from what we see now. They are going one way with Forsaken Shores and I hope they explore more with future updates.

@m1sterpunch Okay... it's like adding wild Koalas to a game set in Halifax in the 1800’s. It’s like having camels and a desert oasis in a game set in Antarctica based around the time of Shackleton’s expedition. I could come up with these all day, if you like.