And how would YOU suggest they fix it?so Wat if they're slightly faster.I'm an Xbox player myself and I see no issue with the pc players.fps is not a serious issue and if u have a fix id love to know Wat it is and I'm sure rare would too
Again with the PC vs Xbox
@admiral-rrrsole said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@grekerr said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@admiral-rrrsole You are just here to pick a fight?
Nope, not at all. Just pointed out some non-truths and exaggerations in your claims.
If you think it's as high as 50% of the player base then maybe, just maybe, the fault lies elsewhere. Because the PC count is far less than that. "14% PC users" is a documented figure whereas "10x faster" and "10x easier" is not.
Any post loses credibility when figures are pluck from the stern.You have to admit, that your figures are not true.
Just because you were pulled up on these non-truths doesn't mean that anyone is looking for a fight.Fair winds and happy sailing. :o)
You are right, I dont have those numbers and I just put them out there because thats how it feels
Never said that the 50% as true, I said "Let's say". These number are not very important, the point was that there is a huge PC playerbase and of course they wont complain about this@admiral-rrrsole said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@xxmrvincexx He stated that because we can see our ping we can use that to an advantage. That is NOT true in any way shape or form.
My ping is usually 300+, by displaying my ping on screen, how can I make it work to my advantage?
My crew mate's ping is usually around 100 or so, how can he make it work to his advantage?If your enemy have 10 ping and you have 310 and you meet each other, he will see you 300 ms earlier and you might be dead before you actualy shoot even though you shoot as soon you see him.
If you were standing face to face with your enemy and you both shoot at same time and you have 310 ping and he have 10. On your screen you might see hitpoint and your client say you hit. But in reality you are dead because your enemy player/computer will only use 10 ms to send the signal to server so that is what it reads, even though your computer says it was you that hit firstAnother example is that if he runs to left and you have 300ms ping, you have to shoot mutch more to left to hit him. When you get used to this you can calculate how mutch in front of him you have to shoot
Another thing is that you can easy see what server region you are with ping
for me it is
Europe - about 60-70 ping
USA east coast - about 170 ping
West coast - about 250+ ping
Autralia - 300+ pingNow you dont want to be on a server with high ping because the delay will mess up alot for you. So if I join a LFG post and I end up on an australian server I would reconsider staying there.
You wont really notice lag from 250 or lower but it can be used to your advantage if you have the Latency infoWhy do you think Xbox Console never show ping other than Green, Yellow and red?
It is because they dont want people to know so we wont have alot of fights about who had advantages and stuff like that.
Xbox gives Green color on Latency up to mutch higher than what would be acceptable with PC players. But PC have third party programs and no control so there is no stopping it there@grekerr said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@admiral-rrrsole said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@xxmrvincexx He stated that because we can see our ping we can use that to an advantage. That is NOT true in any way shape or form.
My ping is usually 300+, by displaying my ping on screen, how can I make it work to my advantage?
My crew mate's ping is usually around 100 or so, how can he make it work to his advantage?If your enemy have 10 ping and you have 310 and you meet each other, he will see you 300 ms earlier and you might be dead before you actualy shoot even though you shoot as soon you see him
Another example is that if he runs to left and you have 300ms ping, you have to shoot mutch more to left to hit him. When you get used to this you can calculate how mutch in front of him you have to shoot
Another thing is that you can easy see what server region you are with ping
for me it is
Europe - about 60-70 ping
USA east coast - about 170 ping
West coast - about 250+ ping
Autralia - 300+ pingNow you dont want to be on a server with high ping because the delay will mess up alot for you. So if I join a LFG post and I end up on an australian server I would reconsider staying there.
You wont really notice lag from 250 or lower but it can be used to your advantage if you have the Latency infoIs it weird that I'm in Alaska and am ALWAYS on london/England servers? Curious how that mate players
@violentandroid said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@grekerr said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@admiral-rrrsole said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@xxmrvincexx He stated that because we can see our ping we can use that to an advantage. That is NOT true in any way shape or form.
My ping is usually 300+, by displaying my ping on screen, how can I make it work to my advantage?
My crew mate's ping is usually around 100 or so, how can he make it work to his advantage?If your enemy have 10 ping and you have 310 and you meet each other, he will see you 300 ms earlier and you might be dead before you actualy shoot even though you shoot as soon you see him
Another example is that if he runs to left and you have 300ms ping, you have to shoot mutch more to left to hit him. When you get used to this you can calculate how mutch in front of him you have to shoot
Another thing is that you can easy see what server region you are with ping
for me it is
Europe - about 60-70 ping
USA east coast - about 170 ping
West coast - about 250+ ping
Autralia - 300+ pingNow you dont want to be on a server with high ping because the delay will mess up alot for you. So if I join a LFG post and I end up on an australian server I would reconsider staying there.
You wont really notice lag from 250 or lower but it can be used to your advantage if you have the Latency infoIs it weird that I'm in Alaska and am ALWAYS on london/England servers? Curious how that mate players
I have no idea, I am not a computer expert.
But there can be alot of reasons.What ISP do you use?
Do you go through satellite?
What is your bandwith and are people at your house using internet at same time?
Did you check your route to diffrent regions to see where it increases or what route it chooses?
Have you talked to Rare support about this?@grekerr Well, to each their own. Don’t know why you've unnecessarily limited the situation in the manner you describe, but... hey... that’s your view of what you’d need in order to use a hybrid controller or a mouse/keyboard... that’s on you.
But, if you know there are other options that would put you on a level playing field with PC’s and choose not to use them, that’s also on you. Just providing alternatives.
@bran-the-ent said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@grekerr Well, to each their own. Don’t know why you've unnecessarily limited the situation in the manner you describe, but... hey... that’s your view of what you’d need in order to use a hybrid controller or a mouse/keyboard... that’s on you.
But, if you know there are other options that would put you on a level playing field with PC’s and choose not to use them, that’s also on you. Just providing alternatives.
Of course.
I just posted to be heard really. Didnt mean for this to blow up at all.I love the game and I will keep gaming with my gamepad:)
Reason for post was that I hope Rare will talk about this and hear what they think since they never bring it up in their info videos or anywhere else that I have seen
PC players are good and bad just like console and noone is to blame for this
To be honest I dont see how this can be solved.
I have noticed that the gamepad sensitivity is same on computer as it is on Xbox.
They dont let you turn it up any higher, so maybe there is a reason for that. Maybe the controller it self cant handle more.Agree. There's plenty of little things here and there adding to the imbalances in-game, and just because others disagree with you, doesn't make you wrong. Rare promised an 'even playing field ', not 'an even playing field if xbox owners go buy x,y, and z'. They should deliver on this already.
I'll say it again...the mega was shut down many, many weeks ago, along with a prominent crossplay debater's thread, (rip logan). Rare said at the time something like 'thanks for the discussion, we take the topic very seriously, we are examining feedback and internal data.' Its been a long time now, Rare should come out and say we found/didn't find disparity/imbalance, and here's what we are/aren't doing to correct /no correction needed.'
Silence on the issue is not an answer, and remarks from pre-release aren't really addressing the constant stream of people commenting on the topic. Come on already Rare, the only ppl on my friends list on SoT these days are PC😐
@grekerr Yes I do realize that you said something along the lines of "Let's say 50%" but that is way off the mark. At only 14% I wouldn't say "that there is a huge PC playerbase".
At least 86% of the SoT player base are on consoles, now that is huge.Yes I do understand ping, thank you. You are preaching to the choir in this regard. lol
Because I live in Australia and play with Americans I join their servers rather than have them join mine. This way we only have one player suffering high ping to such extremes rather than three crew members.
Even when my regular crew mate and I duo sloop, I'll join his game. You kind of get used to it and I expect to be bad at PvP. I always confess that straight up with each new crew I sail with.
But just because I know my ping doesn't mean I know the ping of my opponent.Even knowing that my ping is excessive, I cannot combat what the opposing player might do. Therefore I reject you saying that I can somehow take advantage of this situation.
Maybe I should invite you to play in my world and you could show me just how much of an advantage it is.... NOT. lol :o)@admiral-rrrsole
Is thats 300+ ms or conn/min?For more info about a ping read this: link text
If it's in ms you have a not so good connection to the server. But if it's connection per minute you have a better connection with the server then you crew mate.
@blooddoll22 Yes you are right. But pc players can see their ping and could choose a server where they have a better ping and on the Xbox you can't see your ping. So we don't know if we have a good connection because you will not notice it.
Like if I need to connect with a server in the US my connection will be not that good as if I would connect with a server in Amsterdam.
But like I said, we just need to deal with that.
I'm allready happy when I don't need to play all alone, because I know I have some connection problems sometimes with my Fiberglass connection. Because sometimes I get disconnected from party chats and even on my laptop my connection to websites isn't like it should be. I lost more then 50.000 gold since the release of SOT because of my connection when I was playing on my own.@xxmrvincexx Thank you. I already know that I don't have a good connection because I choose to sail with my regular crew mate who lives in America whilst I live in Australia.
I have sailed numerous times with many people from these forums who also live in America.So to answer your question, Yes. that is 300+ milliseconds.
I have posted a few video clips of our game sessions in other unrelated topics where both my 15fps average and my 300+ ping averages are displayed.
Although the frame rate sometimes drop into the single digits, my frames do not exceed 20 fps. I think the highest ping I noticed whilst playing SoT was something in the 500+ range.I am not complaining about the ping or frame rate, I just mentioned it in context to a post I was replying to. This is my "PC advantage". lol :o)
@grekerr
I'm 100% with you on this m8 & there are many more who agree but just can't be bothered to reply anymore due to all the 'don't split the playerbase' brigade who come & try to get all the crossplay discussions shut down by being stupid arrogant children!
This is a major issue that won't go away - just like LogansDadToo!!Ahoy lads!
Xbox player here who supports our PC brethren.
As many here have pointed out, OP has stated things that are more down to skill vs hardware. But with that being said...
I myself believe that the FPS should be upped for those with the Xbox One X up to the 60fps the console is more than capable of. I also believe that mouse and keyboard support should be implemented. Not just for this game, but more of a bridge for future cross play games.
No I don't believe PC is better, and no I don't believe any sort of balancing should be done. Albeit I don't like special mouses that help turn speeds, but not really anything can be done about that.
When you boil it all down, it comes down to your skill and your arrogance meter. Not every fight can be won. I am a terrible shot, I really am. But that doesn't mean I've out shot PC players. I'm not so good pvp wise. But I've sank quite a number of full crewed galleons by my self. This game isnt always easy mate, but you can for sure out play pc players. But if you are adament with your beliefs, more power to you. All I can say is, just play smarter and always have a crew with you.
@grekerr Don't expect people to agree, but reality is cross play is not going away,keyboard and mouse are coming to xbox....this game is not designed around hardcore play...you decide what you want to do, pretty simple. Time may change all that above...but not anytime soon.
@admiral-rrrsole I dont mean to be an a*****e, so that is clear.
My pvp is pretty bad and I can say that is my own fault.This problem is not a Rare problem, this is a problem with all online FPS games.
Rare did something very cool adding the crossplay and its the first time I have heard anyone do that. So I hope of course they keep the crossplay.
I do not expect Rare or any other game developers to solve this, at least not in near future. I just hope they look into this to see if they could do something to make it more balanced.
About the ping. No you cannot predict you opponents latency, but you dont have to. Server will always send what the server see, and wont take into account what your opponents ping is. So your statement here is wrong
@xxmrvincexx said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@admiral-rrrsole
TRUE & FALSE. While it's true we can see our ping but it is of no advantage and if you believe that it is you are a special kind of nut job.For an example: If you have a ping in a server of 9 ms and I have a ping of 20 ms. Then you have an advantage.
If you don't believe me, just google on: Ping advantage or just google on what a ping really means.Brah.... 11ms difference... you blink 30 times slower than that. (actual fact. a blink is 300-400ms) do you really think we can math out our shots 30 times faster than we can blink?
you really are a special kind of nut....
@grekerr YES! I was in a battle with an enemy player(s)
The enemy sloop retreated and then I heard someone on the ladder. I jumped into the water and saw the enemy player there. So I shot him, but he jumped off and mid-air shot me with his blunderbuss, instant kill, I was before on full health. EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING!!!!No one is saying to split the servers. No one should be telling Xbox players to go out and purchase a mouse/keyboard either. It’s a simple solution. Make crossplay optional like in every other crossplay game. Have it on by default but allow people who don’t want it to turn it off. There are a ton of people in this game world, it will not split the player base. If people enjoy the game, they will play it.
@xxmrvincexx said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@blooddoll22 Yes you are right. But pc players can see their ping and could choose a server where they have a better ping and on the Xbox you can't see your ping. So we don't know if we have a good connection because you will not notice it.
Like if I need to connect with a server in the US my connection will be not that good as if I would connect with a server in Amsterdam.
But like I said, we just need to deal with that.
I'm allready happy when I don't need to play all alone, because I know I have some connection problems sometimes with my Fiberglass connection. Because sometimes I get disconnected from party chats and even on my laptop my connection to websites isn't like it should be. I lost more then 50.000 gold since the release of SOT because of my connection when I was playing on my own.It deserves to be noted that we don't have access to ping numbers until after we've connected to a server. At that point all the display counter (which I see no reason console can't have the toggle as an option) reveals is a relatively fair display of the ping at the moment.
Quite often my ping will be fine through the night averaging maybe 90 ms give or take. Until it isn't fine, and it skyrockets into the 300 or in one recorded instance previously mentioned 800+ range. The ping and fps counter gives me that data... but I do not have a means as a PC player to choose 'better servers'. There is no list to chose from. I have to leave a game and restart on a new server just like any other player. I can say that once I'm on a server I can use the ping counter to help me see over time what the average is and decide based on that if I am going to leave.
But usually, the issues with latency show up for brief periods and go away... unless your connecting overseas which you can expect bad ping and that would be based on the geographic location of whom you've joined. Such as to say Admiral RRRSole can expect 250-300 connecting from AUS to my game set up in the US.
So can Xbox do that? Not the same no, not with the same specific measurements. But you can do it through play. You should be able to tell if your lagging WAY before it's an issue. Usually even with my counters off I can tell if my ping is over 125 based on rubber banding issues and so on.
Does this long winded post mean that Xbox doesn't deserve performance counters? No absolutely not. All players should have access to them and I have only one reason to assume console players don't.... hiding shame.... if the console fps or ping is under-performing there are many console users who would light the proverbial roof on fire due to their expectations of the hardware.
Not showcasing that issue... helps prevent forest fires.
That's my conspiracy theory for the day.
@whyo said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
No one is saying to split the servers. No one should be telling Xbox players to go out and purchase a mouse/keyboard either. It’s a simple solution. Make crossplay optional like in every other crossplay game. Have it on by default but allow people who don’t want it to turn it off. There are a ton of people in this game world, it will not split the player base. If people enjoy the game, they will play it.
Other than to play with their friends, there is no point for an Xbox player to play crossplay. especially after all the lies and exaggerations that console players vomit on these forums.
Even if you place "on" by default, most (if not all) will turn it off before joining their first game.
I know I would if I was a console player and believed the lies that get thrown around ont
@Admiral-RRRSole Please refrain from derogatory language in your posts as it is a violation of our Forum rules. Your post has been edited accordingly.
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To be honest I think cross play is a great idea as it means my brother and I can play on PC whilst my nephew joins un on Xbox. And as for any advantages PC players have over Xbox... I am not sure if I would agree there. I often play on either platform as situation allows and regularly get my butt kicked regardless of what system I use. lol
@violentandroid I don't even play the game anymore. I only check the forums for word of a fix for crossplay. This is slowly becoming a PC only game.
Seriously though … I don't see any major difference or advantage. And don't forget you can alter your sensitivity settings on the xbox via options, this should help too. Either way I think the whole PC vs Xbox thing is silly and just brings up hurt feelings amongst some players. So please lets put a stop to it and get back to enjoying the game
@squaz05
I agree, I’d opt to turn it off myself. It wouldn’t split anything ‘cause if I want to crew up with my nephew then I’ll leave it on. They shouldn’t force interactions. Like you said if your friend is on PC then you’ll just leave it as is.@grekerr said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
Of course you wont get alot of this on this forum because I dont know but let say 50% are PC players and of course they dont complain.
Oh my sweet summer child.
@captgraykid said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
@violentandroid I don't even play the game anymore. I only check the forums for word of a fix for crossplay. This is slowly becoming a PC only game.
At it's peak player base (launch) it had 14% PC players...
for every PC player got 5 console players... so no... not PC only game.@xxmikeokeo69xx said in Again with the PC vs Xbox:
The game should not be pay to win PC
I can guarantee that my PC is worth less than your Xbox.
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