Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.

@murkedymurk

While I don't have an answer to this, I can agree with you and say that I have noticed severe load time differences.
my friends on PC are already on the sloop and have the voyage ready to go by the time I finally log in to the game in the tavern...
It's crazy!

You're complaining that pc players spawn 30 sec. faster and prevent you from getting that very first bail of water as you spawn, yet you fail to realise that you can see ships coming at you 5 to 10 minutes away.

@android-ouija

What does a ship spawning far away have to do with being IN battle? Point is not valid in this conversation whatsoever.

@sloompie
Perhaps the ability to choose wether or not I want to play on a dedicated or a cross platform server? I’m not saying take it away completely. A standard time delay when loading across the board would eliminate this problem possibly as well.

@rakinishu
Not just loading into the game for the first time, but when catching a mermaid or the ferry of the dead. This is when it really matters.

@sloompie said in Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.:

Ok u asked for it, i can say "NO" just because i paid for crossplay. End off story bye have a nice day.

I paid for a complete game. We don't always get what we paid for.

@murkedymurk you're exactly correct because this conversation wouldn't be taking place if you seen the ship coming and prevent the battle from happening. TIPS: Don't stay too long in one place. ALWAYS BE AWARE. People are predictable. If you're on a sloop getting chased by a gally, sail directly AGAINST the wind. Jump off your ship and try to board and anchor. If fail, quickly take mermaid and try again. When you are climbing the ladder and right when you get to the top and get shot off by the man standing at the top, if you had your blunderbus equipped before you grabbed the ladder, you can can quickly one shot him that split second you're in the air. Bet you never knew that. Never do Order of Souls alone or in a sloop on a big island. PC or Gamecast is irrelevant. Its not pirate science. Like come on bro ForkKnife is that way ---------}

@android-ouija I think you are missing the point of his post. He's taking about load time differences between systems with solid state drives and regular hard drives.

@murkedymurk One thing you aren't taking into account, is that there are also xbox users that upgrade their hard drives to SSD drives to improve load times as well.

@murkedymurk said in Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.:

Loading times. Why does it matter? Ship vs ship combat. PC players load in so much faster.

aha... and what exactly do you base that on?

How much faster you ask?

yes, of course, because you claim something.

I don’t have numbers,

well, that's a s****y claim then, isn't it?

buts its probably worse than you imagine.

Ah... yeah... right...
btw. your tinfoil hat has a dent... right..... there.

When it takes you one minute to come back and a pc player 30 seconds, you think that isn’t an advantage in saving a sinking ship, or that much more time to get to the enemies spawn points and wait.?!?,!

I absolutely agree.

HUGE problem that is completely ignored.

Evidence, Evidence, Evidence.
You're ASSUMING STUFF.
Nobody on the planet can handle an ASSUMPTION.
We can handle problems and provide solutions.

If you made it this far, great, because then I can be relatively sure you're not some frustrated fella who just lost a fight.

I agree to your point that loading times would be a problem and put certain players into a disadvantage.
So now you separate XBOX and PC. That's fair.
Since you're complaining I'm gonna assume you're a XBOX player.
AFAIK you can rig XBOXes with highspeed SSD drives, correct?
That puts the HDD players in worse spot than SSD players.
So we divide those, too, right?
What about 4k TV vs. FullHD?

You see where this is going.

But let me fill you in on a little secret.
Just for you I ran SoT windowed and opened up my performance monitor while on the ferry.
When I exit the ferry there is no (none) measurable difference in harddrive throughput during loading times.
What happens though, is that my internet throughput spikes a bit.
I repeated the process 10 times (until my crew asked me to stop testing things and get back into the fight for real) with the same results every time.
Test setup #2:
Die, then scuttle ship.
Here we see a little spike in harddrive throughput.
Why is this?
I assume because I end up on a different island so data needs to be pulled in.

Given that data (and of course the dataset is very very small, but at least it's a start) it seems that hardware plays a very little role in loading times but rather the sync with the servers takes time.

So what now?
Divide crews by internet connection speed?

@imoutofnames1 said in Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.:

Did you know, when doing gold hoarders missions the game knows if you're on PC or xbox. If you're on xbox you have to dig up the chests but on PC they are magnetized to your ship so you can sit at outposts and turn in chests for literally millions of gold per hour.

Your PC seems dated.
My high-end machine gets the money transferred directly after logging in.

@oheck Okay now, im not saying a 30 second load difference from the ferry or mermaid is not going to save you when your ship just got rammed and boarded by another ship because you were carelessly catching animals in a sea of thieves, but I'm just saying a 30 second load difference from the ferry or mermaid is not going to save you when your ship just got rammed and boarded by another ship because you were carelessly catching animals in a sea of thieves.

@lefaux2 Nobody is assuming anything. My load times are much faster on XBox OneX than my friends with better internet on an OG XBOne. Period. I already emptied most of the barrels and put it on the ship before they load in. Many PCs outperform THAT.

Not that I care. I'm allergic to loading screens so I done got gud. A little positioning and gunpowder goes a long way.

The number one reason cited from DOZENS of people on my list for quitting was mandatory xplatform.

It doesn't bother me, but nearly 100 people on my friends list, from pregame to people I met in game quit for this very reason.

@mrgrim67686 said in Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.:

@lefaux2 Nobody is assuming anything. My load times are much faster on XBox OneX than my friends with better internet on an OG XBOne. Period. Many PCs outperform THAT.

Fair enough.
Can you add me on XBOX so we can run some tests?
I have a dual M5 SSD stripeset which is about the fastest thing you can put into a consumer PC.
I could tear my video machine apart and then install windows 10 and SoT onto a RAMDisk as well, but I need some time for that.
Then we both die and exit the ferry at the same time.
Your loading time should be a lot worse than mine, correct?

@lefaux2 add me. We'll try in a few hours. I should be home in about 17 hours. We'll run numerous load tests to mitigate ISP bugbears. My internet isn't the best either. I'll pull stats before we load in and after.

I hate loading screens so this us basically martyrdom. Heh.

L**o the hate is real. It’s not even something that is debatable but the pc community as always is INSANE!! When you have xbox vs pc crews pvp’n in a close battle, the FACT is that pc’s load in faster (unless your pc is from the year 2000). When a pc player dies it consistently takes FAR less time to load back in. The advantage is CLEAR. PC player loads in, has time to pick his nose, takes his time getting back to the battle and the Xbox player is still in th ferry! It’s laugable that PC players can even act like this is not the truth!!! I have a pc sitting right here but, at this point I’m refusing to stoop the the level of needing an advantage to play. All the proof you need is being on a crew with pc player the difference is OBVIOUS.

Facts are facts folks. PC’s load In faster. All things being equal the pc crew will always have an advantage over Xbox crews. This is and has been the case with any cross platform games. Out of them all this game has the most hardcore pc deniers. It’s quite funny actually.

I'm on Xbox and I like chickens.

@murkedymurk said in Let the hate begin. PC and Xbox players need dedicated servers.:

L**o the hate is real.

Not really, no. Your argument is just not based on ANY data.
That's not hate, that's just trying to convince you that a bold claim gets YOU nowhere.
Here's the thing:
You don't want to have a disadvantage.
That's completely fair and what I try to do is to back your accusation up with evidence.
Writing the word "fact" in uppercase is not evidence.

It’s not even something that is debatable but the pc community as always is INSANE!!

Well, if it's so obvious why not back it up with evidence, then?
That would help your (!) cause, I frankly don't care how long it takes a c****y wannabe computer to load up.

When you have xbox vs pc crews pvp’n in a close battle, the FACT is that pc’s load in faster (unless your pc is from the year 2000). When a pc player dies it consistently takes FAR less time to load back in. The advantage is CLEAR. PC player loads in, has time to pick his nose, takes his time getting back to the battle and the Xbox player is still in th ferry!

Hold up now... the ferry? That's new...

It’s laugable that PC players can even act like this is not the truth!!!

There is no truth until backed by evidence.
Try to get your head around this.

I have a pc sitting right here but, at this point I’m refusing to stoop the the level of needing an advantage to play. All the proof you need is being on a crew with pc player the difference is OBVIOUS.

Jup, had that just yesterday. Nothing notable.

Facts are facts folks. PC’s load In faster. All things being equal the pc crew will always have an advantage over Xbox crews. This is and has been the case with any cross platform games. Out of them all this game has the most hardcore pc deniers.

I don't deny my PC. It's here :)

What puzzles me... like REALLY puzzles me:
The "hardcore PC deniers" are currently trying to back your claim up with evidence.
With that evidence we can walk up to Rare and at least say "look folks... this is our data, this is the problem, how do we fix this?"

Just yelling around gets you nowhere :)

Just a theory, but what if that pc player that just killed you never died. Like, you didn't kill them. But like, you're on the ferry and they're not on the ferry. Maybe they loaded in already before you even turned into a soul. That's fast. Yea they gotta fix that.

I usually play with two other people (so we are 3 in total), all on PC, and we all have different loading times. The hate for PC players is real. But I agree about splitting the player base by harddrive, internet speed, monitor size, age, chair quality and controller/keyboard/mouse cable length (or distance to device for wireless).