The Real Crossplay Solution?

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

That would feel disgusting on a mouse. The amount of picking up and dropping it would require. Youd need like a 20ft mousepad.

Just put in more sensitivity options and bring keyboard support to xbox.

Or you just move your hand slower to match the speed because over moving and adding more input the possible (like button mashing) wouldnt help you.

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@drunkpunk138 said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

I'm all for limits on things like scope sensitivity

I didn't quite understand our EoR buff they gave us. Then again, I haven't looked at my buddy when he scopes with the sniper on console.

Max sensitivity on a console was faster than pc for the EoR and now it's more or less equal

@drunkpunk138 said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

Honestly, you may as well just make it console exclusive at that point. It is a very jarring feeling to not have your character respond with your mouse movements in a way that feels intuitive and natural, hell mouse acceleration is one of the biggest sins of PC gaming in many peoples eyes. I'm all for limits on things like scope sensitivity, or even allowing console players to adjust their turn speeds to something similar (although I can imagine that might be hard to get used to for most people), but not limiting turn speed.

I would be happy with this change or if they did turn acceleration where a constant turn input speeds up slightly

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

That would feel disgusting on a mouse. The amount of picking up and dropping it would require. Youd need like a 20ft mousepad.

Just put in more sensitivity options and bring keyboard support to xbox.

Or you just move your hand slower to match the speed because over moving and adding more input the possible (like button mashing) wouldnt help you.

Ummmmm..

If moving your wrist 1mm enters the same input as moving 1cm but the turn speed in game reaction time is based on time of input and not distance then slowing down the movement would result in a more natural feel for the game and would level the playing field across nice gaming mice cheap plug in ones.

As in calm down and move the mouse slower instead of farther.

@lord-sphinktus said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

I play on both. The difference is natural feeling between a kb mouse and a controller, but the strategic gains are minimal. Can a mouse aim a bit better? Yes, but there is no target friction with a mouse so aiming requires more concentration and it is a bit harder to hit a close moving target from the hip with a mouse. A controller on the other hand is a bit less twitchy for aiming, but you do get target friction making hip shots easier and giving an advantage in sword combat. With a mouse my strategy is to engage at medium to long range avoid hand to hand combat and move side to side and occasionally jump. On a controller my strategy is to move fast and diagonally twords my opponent, engage in close range combat sword and flintlock, stay on them and slash till they drop. On a controller it is very easy for me to follow a three hit cutlas combo with a flintlock shot and quick switch back to the sword. It's a very good way to even the score against a more PC style player. The difference between the two control options are balanced well, if you know how to best utilize them.

I actually appreciate this feedback a lot. As I said I have not directly encountered a problem with PC players. I am trying to address the most common complaint I have seen with what I think is a viable solution.

I forget his name other wise I would tag him but there is another post with him running circles around players and slashing faster than they can turn to face him. While I am sure that the number of players doing this is slim it does have interesting implications as plenty of other posts hace suggested the "turn 360 with your pc friends and compare the turn rates" test.

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@gloog said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

That would feel disgusting on a mouse. The amount of picking up and dropping it would require. Youd need like a 20ft mousepad.

Just put in more sensitivity options and bring keyboard support to xbox.

Or you just move your hand slower to match the speed because over moving and adding more input the possible (like button mashing) wouldnt help you.

Ummmmm..

If moving your wrist 1mm enters the same input as moving 1cm but the turn speed in game reaction time is based on time of input and not distance then slowing down the movement would result in a more natural feel for the game and would level the playing field across nice gaming mice cheap plug in ones.

As in calm down and move the mouse slower instead of farther.

Most constructive thread on the issue I've ever seen. People not letting their feelings get the better of the conversation.

As for what you said I still really don't understand. That would still feel gross on the mousepad and/or isnt possible?
Anyone else?

Sorry, poor explination. I am trying to say that the turn rate in game could be matched to the duration of the input instead of the distance. So moving 1m in 1s is the same in game turning radius as moving 1mm in 1s. As it stands, the turning speed is controlled by distance moved where the laser picks up an interval and each time that interval is covered it is input as a command to turn. Ie the more you move the farther you turn.

If the maximum turn speed of controllers was improved while the maximum turn speed of pcs was slightly nerfed I think it would do wonders to reduce the ammount of people complaining about the cross play problem.

@khol-thndrwlkr said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@nightmare247365 said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@khol-thndrwlkr

Just because you DON'T want/DON'T love crossplay, doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to play that way.

If you put an option to disable crossplay into this game, it forces PC Players to Play with PC Players.

That is not even remotely true. Allowing those who don't want to crossplay to opt out would mean THOSE people are not playing crossplay. That's it. Me opting out of crossplay doesn't mean that every single other Xbox player is removed from play.

There are plenty of people who have piped up stating that they play Xbox and would keep playing cross play. Hell, if implemented, I'd probably play cross play half of the time. The community is large enough that you won't even notice the lack of Xbox players who opt out.

Furthermore, telling people they have to play they way you want or they can't play at all isn't a great arguement.

I think the issue with optional is what if you are optional but get matched with someone who isnt and then invite a pc friend to your empty galleon. Or are unable to invite your friend because a random player has cross play disabled.

@nightmare247365 said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob I love the idea of what you are trying to say, but it does not help to limit a certain player base. If you reduce the capabilities or cap them it hurts the players, the game, and the community. So reducing is not an option. Now leveling is a key feature that I can get behind. Increasing the console players sensitivity increases their turning radius without reducing anyone else. Giving them the option of mouse and keyboard support helps.

The thing is that too many people argue "advantages" in this game. In reality, there are many many advantages that make this a moot point in this game. I am not a genius and I am not dumb either, but there are people who have above 140 IQ making them a Genius and those who are 80-89 intelligence and they are below average. Intelligence is an advantage.

There are people who are more athletic than others so their twitch response pulling a gamepad trigger make them faster. Or the fact that they can speak 3 languages and team up with other players (diplomatic).

You never see people argue and complain that these advantages exist. They only believe that Console and PC makes such a difference. It may attempt to put them on the level playing field, but in reality all the above still make a difference.

So the TL:DR version is - People have different advantages in life. You don't see us separating the average population from the genius people because of an opt in or opt out. Why do so in a video game?

Honestly, and as I hope iv been conveying this, I dont feel like it is an issue but I see how some people feel cheated. What about slightly reducing max pc speed and slightly increasing max controller speed so that the difference either shoulders is negligible but the result is a smaller gap in differences.

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob because it's not about turn speed.

It's about PC having the ability to hardware mod and software mod.

Xbox can't.

Therefore it will never be a level playing field.

The end

Normally I would dismiss this kind of post as nonconstructive and childish. But for the sake of the conversation...

Hardware modifications are a capability for pc and console players but console players usually dont do it. I have seen custom controllers with different triggers and button placement.

Software modification to the SoT code is considered cheating and while it is easier on a pc it is again possible on xbox.
Edit: it is virtually impossible to hack the code running sea of thieves and no actual hacks for Xbox one have been published. Just because it isnt published doesnt mean it hasn't been done, and it doesn't mean you can't get around it by changing the input on the control side of things. Regaurdless:
But again mute point because it is cheating and will slowly be eliminated. Beyond that, being mad at all pc players for a few cheaters is a logical fallacy as the whole is not the part.

It may not be a perfect level field but we can get close and especially because this is not an MLB game the drawbacks and allowed variance for input are more acceptable at wider parameters.

@khol-thndrwlkr said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

I think the issue with optional is what if you are optional but get matched with someone who isnt and then invite a pc friend to your empty galleon. Or are unable to invite your friend because a random player has cross play disabled.

Well, you either have it on or off. If it's on, you get matched with anyone. If it's off, you only get matched with people on the same system as you. Going from your example, if you're planning to play with a friend on a PC (assuming you're on Xbox) you would have cross play enabled to play with your friend so the random player who has it turned off wouldn't be matched with you anyways.

Im saying in the eventuallity that you start alone join a random crew, one crew member leaves and you go to invite your friend.

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob because it's not about turn speed.

It's about PC having the ability to hardware mod and software mod.

Xbox can't.

Therefore it will never be a level playing field.

The end

Normally I would dismiss this kind of post as nonconstructive and childish. But for the sake of the conversation...

Hardware modifications are a capability for pc and console players but console players usually dont do it. I have seen custom controllers with different triggers and button placement.

Software modification to the SoT code is considered cheating and while it is easier on a pc it is again possible on xbox. But again mute point because it is cheating and will slowly be eliminated. Beyond that, being mad at all pc players for a few cheaters is a logical fallacy as the whole is not the part.

It may not be a perfect level field but we can get close and especially because this is not an MLB game the drawbacks and allowed variance for input are more acceptable at wider parameters.

I know this and agree.

But

Until Rare gets their anti cheat act together, they need to divide it. A simple Google search shows how easy it is to cheat on pc. Cheating on Xbox is MUCH more difficult, and once caught, said Xbox can never be used online again.

Meanwhile the pc player simply makes a new account.

There's a difference

Again, I dont think its fair to call every PC player a cheater. I am sorry for any actual cheaters you have run into but I have yet to see a single one. (I have been playing from the start and am surprised that I havnt seen any cheaters)

I dont think the few people that do cheat have ruined the pc community enough that we need to remove all pc players.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but a new pc account means the progress is lost and as the purchase of the game is digital it is linked to a single account in the pc.

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@jimmy-voorhees said in The Real Crossplay Solution?:

@rattlyfob because it's not about turn speed.

It's about PC having the ability to hardware mod and software mod.

Xbox can't.

Therefore it will never be a level playing field.

The end

Normally I would dismiss this kind of post as nonconstructive and childish. But for the sake of the conversation...

Hardware modifications are a capability for pc and console players but console players usually dont do it. I have seen custom controllers with different triggers and button placement.

Software modification to the SoT code is considered cheating and while it is easier on a pc it is again possible on xbox. But again mute point because it is cheating and will slowly be eliminated. Beyond that, being mad at all pc players for a few cheaters is a logical fallacy as the whole is not the part.

It may not be a perfect level field but we can get close and especially because this is not an MLB game the drawbacks and allowed variance for input are more acceptable at wider parameters.

I know this and agree.

But

Until Rare gets their anti cheat act together, they need to divide it. A simple Google search shows how easy it is to cheat on pc. Cheating on Xbox is MUCH more difficult, and once caught, said Xbox can never be used online again.

Meanwhile the pc player simply makes a new account.

There's a difference

Again, I dont think its fair to call every PC player a cheater. I am sorry for any actual cheaters you have run into but I have yet to see a single one. (I have been playing from the start and am surprised that I havnt seen any cheaters)

I dont think the few people that do cheat have ruined the pc community enough that we need to remove all pc players.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but a new pc account means the progress is lost and as the purchase of the game is digital it is linked to a single account in the pc.

At no point did I blame all pc players. At no point did I say remove them.

What I said was

It should be optional

Once again, there's a difference.

I'm glad you've not witnessed cheating. I have. Hell they actually bragged about it over coms.

So asking for the option to play with my peers alone isn't a bad thing.

And your MLB comment is a straw man. No one thinks of SoT like that,

But

No one should be able to cheat and ruin the playing experience of others. A fair kill is a fair kill.
Using a mod that can auto aim cannons?

That ruins the game as even the best player misses cannon shots.

No one should cheat but alienating all pc players because some do is unfair. MLG not mlb... not a straw man because the game is not designed as a highly competative game. It is a social experience with a competative nature.
Because it is not a competative game the parameters for imbalance between players can be wider without an upset to the overall structure and purpose to the game. Meaning it is ok that pc players have some advantage.