Ban TDM players on Arena

First of all I never see anyone TDMing to get commendations because normally these players already finished their arena commendations. Secondly the state of arena is a bit more complicated and hard to explain. For quite a while now arena has been a lower percentage of players (roughly 3% or less) so the dev team pulled the plug on the support or at least updates for arena making it feel even more dead. The only players remaining are those trying to get legendary sea dog, brand new players who have no idea what they are doing, and pvp based players who love the competitive side of the game. While these players don’t have to TDM and this isn’t the intended gameplay of arena, naval isn’t for everyone and plus they usually keep their distance so anyone not participating doesn’t have to get mixed in.
The competitive players always get this negative backlash because they steal your stuff in adventure and get told to go to arena for pvp and when they do they get yelled at for TDMing. This game is an open world sandbox and while arena is supposed to be a condensed pvp experience built to mainly have a competitive naval mode, since most players can naval easier than fight hand to hand, it does have the ability to function well as a TDM mode.
If you really are upset that it ruins the main way you wanted to pvp that is completely understandable, however since the arena player base is so small odds are this will stay the way it is. Nothing about TDM is wrong or ban-able so it shouldn’t be banned.

I have no interest in TDMing, but I don't think they should be punished. Sea of thieves is a sandbox game there is no right or wrong way to play it. This is like saying people who run away from ships whilst flying reaper flags should be banned, because they are not playing reapers bones as intended. And also they don't do it for comms they do it to have fun. If you want weapon comms, you spawn camp, it's way easier than tdming since you have to be pretty good to get loads of kills in a TDM.

@greengrimz said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

@BOOGYGHOST101

Awww is somebody sad they got spawn camped for interrupting a tdm?

First of all, I got no clue how you reached that conclusion. OP never implied anything of the sort.

Secondly, spawn camping has nothing to do with TDM. Spawn camp is regularly done even when you play the mode in the intended way.

You can’t blame us for not wanting to play Arena correctly when the gamemode it stupid and full of people who just dig up the chest and avoid PvP xD. What a joke.

Yes he can blame you. And quite rightfully too.

Whether the mode is stupid or not, TDM players ignore the way Arena is meant to be played and thus ruin the whole round for people who want to play the actual Arena.

OP gave you an excellent example with the football game.

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@l-Snapper-l

First of all I never see anyone TDMing to get commendations because normally these players already finished their arena commendations.

TDM was created specifically to speed up the commendation earning process. Saying otherwise is like saying alliance servers are not created to simulate pure PvE environment.

Secondly the state of arena is a bit more complicated and hard to explain. For quite a while now arena has been a lower percentage of players (roughly 3% or less) so the dev team pulled the plug on the support or at least updates for arena making it feel even more dead. The only players remaining are those trying to get legendary sea dog, brand new players who have no idea what they are doing, and pvp based players who love the competitive side of the game.

The fact that Rare care little for the Arena mode does not in any way justify anybody who is not playing it in the intended way.

While these players don’t have to TDM and this isn’t the intended gameplay of arena, naval isn’t for everyone and plus they usually keep their distance so anyone not participating doesn’t have to get mixed in.

"Not getting mixed in" is the actual problem here. You are in fact supposed to get very much mixed in.

This game is an open world sandbox and while arena is supposed to be a condensed pvp experience built to mainly have a competitive naval mode, since most players can naval easier than fight hand to hand, it does have the ability to function well as a TDM mode.

Again, that doesn't justify anybody in any way.

You said it yourself. The mode is meant to simulate a more intense PvP engagement like the one you'd have in the Adventure mode of SoT. It's not mean to simulate Counter Strike.

...or ban-able so it shouldn’t be banned.

I didn't know how to cross out the "nothing about TDM is wrong" part, so I quoted only a portion of your sentence.

Anyway, this is the only thing I can agree upon. TDM exists only because Rare allow themselves to ignore it. Nobody player should get punished for that.

You hit the every nail on the head. Honestly, if Rare is going to ignore the problem, just pull the plug on Arena and get rid of it entirely. Everyone that complains about pvp in Adventure needs to deal with the fact that they are pirates and it is a pirate game. They should not have to go to a different mode to do pvp.

I think the better question is why keep Arena if 3 percent of players play it and Rare ignores the problems for it and refuses to update a dead mode. Its on the main screen for hells sake. To every new player, you would think a mode that takes up a third of your main screen would be cared for and not just abandoned.

So really it comes down to Rare should be doing 1 of 3 things. Either 1. just end Arena and get rid of it, 2. Create TDM for those who want TDM, if neither, 3. start punishing those who ruin the game for everyone else. Ignoring it should not be a solution. It just makes Rare a joke and shows that they do not care about their fan base that do care about the mode.

As much as I dislike TDMers because they usually will disrupt a lobby leaving you with no one else to fight (TDMing in a full lobby is fine, and is actually quite fun), I think banning is a bit of a leap.

@stundorn
Is teaming in arena bannable or punishable though? because I've never seen anything from Rare saying teaming is not allowed/bannable. I've never seen rare actually address the tdming/teaming issues in arena either.

@stundorn Somehow, I highly doubt this happened because TDMers still team up against players all the time.

@rtl-saint said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

TDM players are chill, leave them alone and get an ez win. no need to get mad.

A TDM player can still win despite not once turning in the chest. It just depends on how good they are.

@rtl-saint said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

@jusey1z never seen a tdm player getting over 1000 points lol. they are only getting kills which reward 5-10 points. dig and sell chest for 1150.

I have gotten over 2,000 points in one round without once touching the chest, and I sunk the ship who got the chest turned in to get them back to 0. TDM isn't about just killing the players in this concept but rather also ship combat.

@rtl-saint said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

@jusey1z you sunk. you used cannon balls. TDM implies everyone parks and gets only kills.

That is an odd thing to do since this is a pirate game... I figure TDM would imply just ignoring the chest objective and focus on sinking each other.

Frankly they aren’t doing anything that is ban worthy. Playing another game mode inside a mode. Like playing hide and seek but the hiders are playing chess in the bushes.

But to ban TDM players would be banning hand full of players. Yes they need a separate mode for this (maybe they will?) but atm they can’t ban them for doing something not against the Code of conduct

It is silly to create a game when not 100% everyone wants too and be punished for it.

@greengrimz

TDM was created specifically to speed up the commendation earning process. Saying otherwise is like saying alliance servers are not created to simulate pure PvE environment.

I have never seen people TDM for the sole purpose of commendation grinding. As I said most of the time these are players who already have the arena commendations or these players are on an alt account and simply don’t care. I don’t know about any TDMs you have participated in or watched but that is definitely not the purpose of TDM, the purpose is to get better with aim and skill.

@drwhetfaartz491

It was more annoying when I constantly had tacky looking gold curse Legendary Sea Dogs in my face begging and pleading for TDMs. There will be a solution eventually, and it will be in the form of private servers. I imagine there will be TDM Discord servers at that point.

They ultra-sweats are fine to run their TDMs if they'd like, but they should kindly close their mouths and stop shaming other players for wanting to play the mode as it was intended to be played. That means you, @BOOGYGHOST101

Most tdms like myself are done with the arena Im a legendary sea dog i have all commendations there's nothing else to do but i do enjoy getting clips for my channel

I dont want to spawn kill a team for clips when i can just go join a tdm again im not like most tdm players i dont shame anyone for anything i simply just leave and see i can get a lobby with people that want to do it

Btw if you wanted all tdm players to play arena normally i can tell you what you would not want to play arena anymore because the players are extremely good

To those who say "Oh just leave the TDM alone and take the wins", You my friend have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I had games where TDMs won because those who were actually playing sunk multiple times and the TDMs had more points. I had games where the TDMs would purposely help each other out by shooting each others ships and bail without killing each other so that they can have thousands of points and then continue the rest of the game TDM then if you go near them, they spawn camp you with 4 or more players till you scuttle or end of game. I also had games where the damn chest spawned on their island and would not let anyone near it, they would just spawn camp the chest and you if you got close enough.

@rtl-saint said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

@jusey1z no! its when ships park at an island and just get kills using eor and flintlock only.

I wish this was the case but I have seen multiple times TDMs who shot each other ships without killing each other and keep bailing just to farm points in the game. I also would not be shocked if its to get kills with the cannon balls too.

@drwhetfaartz491 again your in the wrong tdm buddy because when I tdm i usually through the chest in the water if its my island and like is said all tdm dont need win or even kills if your in a tdm like that there probably in the same discord call witch would be call cheating the but again rare should make a tdm game mode until then tdm's wont stop and nobody getting banned for doing so

@zr2-knight

Your right that they are not getting banned but as far as I am concerned, if Rare is not going to make the mode, ban hammer them. If I watched an NFL game and saw some people get on the field with hockey gear, damn straight that they are getting thrown off the field.

@xassflamex said in Ban TDM players on Arena:

Imagine getting banned because you do actions the game allows you to. It doesn't make sense, but it is why you made this thread. Why don't you just sail over to them and farm their ships and win the game ? Its a cheesy way, but the round in your perception was already ruined.

They should've added Team Deathmatch game mode to the game so people like the creator of the topic can have their ''peaceful'' arena gameplay experience. But with the hit reg being bugged for almost 1½ years now, their most likely not gonna add this.

I could boost other players in Call of Duty because the game allows me to but it does not mean I should. I could get aim bot for games because they are vulnerable for it thus "allowing me" to do it but does not mean I should do it, even if the developer either ignores the problem or lack punishing people for it. cough Warzonecough.

Also yeah, I would hit them every time just because I could, but even doing so makes it so that we get spawned camped by 4 or more people. I have helped other ships who attack them so they dont get spawned camped and get them off the server.

Yikes buddy. This is the classic I don’t like it so it shouldn’t exist logic. If you get into a TDM server leave, if you interrupt our TDM out of spite... you’ll probably not have a good experience. These players aren’t breaking the rules, they are just playing the game differently then you, which doesn’t constitute a ban.

@Greengrimz

TDM was created specifically to speed up the commendation earning process. Saying otherwise is like saying alliance servers are not created to simulate pure PvE environment.

While your post seemed quite articulate and your opinions were well communicated I stopped reading on this line. You seem very ill informed. Tdming was never created for the purpose of grinding commendations. Tdming was created by people who wanted to compete in pvp other than naval, and commendations were an added bonus.
I know this because TDMing has been around longer than arena and is nearly as old as the game itself.

TDM needs to be supported an a mode needs to be added. A large part of the community would like to see it and it would help arena in general. Players shouldn’t get banned.

@jcrpdx Wrong, It is not a classic, I do not like it, so it should not exist, Its a, people should be playing the game mode that they chose. I do not enter a chess tournament expecting to play checkers.