It seem like if Rare (not sure if this is even possible) were to code something into the game to NOT allow Macros it would fix many issues we currently have. Is this possible?
We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?
Macros are just simulated button presses, so they can't really be disabled. They can be detected though because the timings between presses will be identical over each iteration (unless randomization is introduced) or by detecting the application that is executing them.
They can be rendered less effective by implementing minimum delays between certain actions so that there is no point in macroing something that can be done just as quickly manually which is the general path they are taking with things like weapon swapping.
The unfortunate thing about macros is that they are not easy to detect. I agree that they are unfair, and in fact I am pretty sure it's against ToS to use them.
I wish they could enforce some bans or penalties for those using macros. The question is how they would find objective data that indicates someone is using macros, because at the end of the day the user input is going to look the same internally. It's impossible to know that one keystroke was made to trigger a series of inputs.
@d3adst1ck said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Macros are just simulated button presses, so they can't really be disabled. They can be detected though because the timings between presses will be identical over each iteration (unless randomization is introduced) or by detecting the application that is executing them.
They can be rendered less effective by implementing minimum delays between certain actions so that there is no point in macroing something that can be done just as quickly manually which is the general path they are taking with things like weapon swapping.
I think the big one right now apparently something that allows the double gun exploit to rise once more. Something would need to be done to detect that you're switching from another gun so that the delay still exists after sprinting.
@d3adst1ck unfortunately macros can.have a long list of commands someone could potentially put thousands of different movements into a macro script and have it never kick them out because the current system only detects patterns
@contentzilla I think they could stop the use of macros but I also think people using scripted macros could be detected i.know battleye is a helluva good anti cheat and has actually banned me from games like Arma just for simply having an application in the background running that I forgot to close.
Maybe Rare could require a special keyboard the PC players are required to use to play this game that would NOT allow macros because they seem to be the main problem.
Are you volunteering to purchase said keyboards? I will never demand a console player be forced to purchase extra hardware to play a game. I think its only fair to expect the same treatment in return.
@contentzilla said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Maybe Rare could require a special keyboard the PC players are required to use to play this game that would NOT allow macros because they seem to be the main problem.
You're delusional. If Microsoft or any other developer demanded you buy their special keyboard to play a game, especially after people have already bought the game, there would be an uproar.
The best method of 'defeating' macros is introducing adjustments to the game mechanics that makes their use pointless. Regarding the recent resurgence of doublegunning, preventing sprint when switching weapons (not a good option, but it is one) or introducing a shooting delay after sprinting (a better option, but still not ideal) could fix that
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Maybe Rare could require a special keyboard the PC players are required to use to play this game that would NOT allow macros because they seem to be the main problem.
Are you volunteering to purchase said keyboards? I will never demand a console player be forced to purchase extra hardware to play a game. I think its only fair to expect the same treatment in return.
Sure sure once I win the lottery. Jk Jk but no I'm just trying to come up with ideas is all. It's kinda like now with Xbox users how we have terrible load times so we are REQUIRED to buy a external SSD to "fix" the issue with load times so we already forced to buy hardware if we want similar experience as a PC user imho.
@contentzilla That's the point. You are not required to buy an SSD to play this game but it would greatly improve the performance of your console. You suggested making it mandatory to buy a new keyboard for a videogame due to an issue that does not exist.
Once and for all, there is no point in running macros in this game. I have dedicated macro buttons and there is nothing I can facilitate by using them ingame.@fast-bike94 said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@contentzilla I think they could stop the use of macros but I also think people using scripted macros could be detected i.know battleye is a helluva good anti cheat and has actually banned me from games like Arma just for simply having an application in the background running that I forgot to close.
Yes maybe this Battleye should be required for PC players??
@fast-bike94 said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@contentzilla yeah or an equally good program.
Cuz Macros are KILLING THIS GAME!!!
@contentzilla
You've somewhat made the error of assuming powerhouse gaming riggs are the common gaming machine of PC players. I myself don't have SoT on a SSD and fluctuated FPS around 20-30 for quite a long time. Your making this requirement to compete with somewhat small population of powerhouse riggs. The "fixed" issue you have is still a thing for us as well.@contentzilla said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Maybe Rare could require a special keyboard the PC players are required to use to play this game that would NOT allow macros because they seem to be the main problem.
Are you volunteering to purchase said keyboards? I will never demand a console player be forced to purchase extra hardware to play a game. I think its only fair to expect the same treatment in return.
Sure sure once I win the lottery. Jk Jk but no I'm just trying to come up with ideas is all. It's kinda like now with Xbox users how we have terrible load times so we are REQUIRED to buy a external SSD to "fix" the issue with load times so we already forced to buy hardware if we want similar experience as a PC user imho.
Lol. A PC with an HDD will have slow loading times. Using words like "required" and "forced" about buying an SSD when you want players to have to buy special hardware and ban what they already have for no good reason at all is laughable.
@nabberwar I mean most pc gamers are gamers because they have a good rig to run games I play on xbox but I also have a rig and it can easily run this game at 60 fps so the majority of pc gamers are going to have a rig that can play this a 60fps your system must be really dated if you're only getting 20 to 30 fps or its a prebuilt pc not really meant for gaming.
@contentzilla macros can but are not limited to hardware, so forcing a certain keyboard would simply not fix it.
Macros can and most times just introduced with a software application, also forcing pc players to have to buy a specific keyboard would:
1 not fix anything due to software macro function
2 force alot of the pc players away (if they macro or not)
3 get people just using macro mice or software
4 not fix the thing that there are also macro XBOX controllers
@callmebackdraft said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@contentzilla macros can but are not limited to hardware, so forcing a certain keyboard would simply not fix it.
Macros can and most times just introduced with a software application, also forcing pc players to have to buy a specific keyboard would:
1 not fix anything due to software macro function
2 force alot of the pc players away (if they macro or not)
3 get people just using macro mice or software
4 not fix the thing that there are also macro XBOX controllers
Well of course they would have to accompany it with some quite invasive software, which hypothetically MS can easily do. That's pretty much a given premise.
@rk1-turbulence i dont care for macro’s and will never use them and i love sot to bits but if RARE and/or MS are gonna force invasive software like that on me on MY computer then i will drop this game in a heartbeat.
Im a software engineer and i can make an application in about an hour that fully emulates a keyboard (in a way where windows would be non the wiser)
I can also use an arduino to do the same...
The software MS would have to implement would basicly make a pc os that handles the same as the xbox os, they will never do that.
Bottom line is, its simply impossible for the devs to completely block out macros unless they block any and all human input devices
@callmebackdraft said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@rk1-turbulence i dont care for macro’s and will never use them and i love sot to bits but if RARE and/or MS are gonna force invasive software like that on me on MY computer then i will drop this game in a heartbeat.
Im a software engineer and i can make an application in about an hour that fully emulates a keyboard (in a way where windows would be non the wiser)
I can also use an arduino to do the same...
The software MS would have to implement would basicly make a pc os that handles the same as the xbox os, they will never do that.
Bottom line is, its simply impossible for the devs to completely block out macros unless they block any and all human input devices
Ok so if they implemented something this intrusive you'd quit. Do you have any suggestions how to stop the MACRO ABUSE?
Cuz Macros are KILLING THIS GAME!!!
PAHHLEEEEEZ.... Macros aren't killing this game, lets do some simple math here on Macro users. PC players make 33-34% of the population, of that number lets assume a really generous number of them that waste time making a macro in a game that doesn't benefit from macro using, say 10%. So 10% of that 34% makes .034 so even with a generous number we get 3.4% of people using macros. That number is minuscule and you have a low chance of actually running into them just using an average.
Now this game really doesn't benefit from Macros, if this was a game like WoW that would be different. That game actually makes good use of Macros because sequenced abilities can range from five plus unique abilities. Sea of Thieves really doesn't make use of it. You could argue double gun macro, but even during its hayday of use, the strategy had huge counter play, yet no one refused to listen to actually deal with it. Its a waste of time to actually macro in this game, nothing benefits from making one here.
By all means Rare try using anti-cheat software, that nearly every other PC game uses quite effectively. However, if the only reason you think you are losing fights is due to the other player macro-ing, I regret to inform you, that you are overestimating your abilities in this game.
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Cuz Macros are KILLING THIS GAME!!!
PAHHLEEEEEZ.... Macros aren't killing this game, lets do some simple math here on Macro users. PC players make 33-34% of the population, of that number lets assume a really generous number of them that waste time making a macro in a game that doesn't benefit from macro using, say 10%. So 10% of that 34% makes .034 so even with a generous number we get 3.4% of people using macros. That number is minuscule and you have a low chance of actually running into them just using an average.
Now this game really doesn't benefit from Macros, if this was a game like WoW that would be different. That game actually makes good use of Macros because sequenced abilities can range from five plus unique abilities. Sea of Thieves really doesn't make use of it. You could argue double gun macro, but even during its hayday of use, the strategy had huge counter play, yet no one refused to listen to actually deal with it. Its a waste of time to actually macro in this game, nothing benefits from making one here.
By all means Rare try using anti-cheat software, that nearly every other PC game uses quite effectively. However, if the only reason you think you are losing fights is due to the other player macro-ing, I regret to inform you, that you are overestimating your abilities in this game.
Good points, let me rephrase. Some of the biggest hot topic issues could be resolved by preventing MACROS like the double gunning exploit (that still exists btw) and the rampant AFKers in the Arena now. Just a couple quick examples but I'm sure there's more out there. Also another way to fix these issues would be to simple offer a OPT OUT OF CROSSPLAY. So that way all the Macro users could be in their own little server and the rest of us who want to avoid the cheaters could OPT OUT.
and the rampant AFKers in the Arena now.
Two words... Rubber Band, the afk'ers are beyond a macro problem. Opt out isn't a the solution to this, considering they can just tape a controller.
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
and the rampant AFKers in the Arena now.
Two words... Rubber Band, the afk'ers are beyond a macro problem. Opt out isn't a the solution to this, considering they can just tape a controller.
Actually I must disagree with that. You are correct this was the case when Arena first launch (I'll admit I tested it to confirm you could rubber band your controller). However, the last update from 2 weeks ago I think it was or maybe as recent as last week upped the sensitivity of their AFK detection and I think they also lowered how long you can go before the kick. So I experimented and have not been able to avoid the AFK kick using my controller and rubber banding. I've noticed since they made this fix that there have been significantly les AFKers but they are still there and they seem to be on PC because not only will they say run constantly in a huge semi-circle but sometimes randomize and then start doing a run and then jump. So yeah it'd be nice if Rare could do something about the Afkers.
@contentzilla Your in luck mate, Opt out is on the way, congratulation, Mission accomplished. Now, back to business. Do we still need to argue things already figured out, or are we going to keep spamming opt-out related threads over and over and over again?
@contentzilla as stated on multiple occasions, it is extremely hard if not impossible to do that due to the way they can be implemented on both pc and xbox
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
@contentzilla Your in luck mate, Opt out is on the way, congratulation, Mission accomplished. Now, back to business. Do we still need to argue things already figured out, or are we going to keep spamming opt-out related threads over and over and over again?
Actually this wasn't meant to be a opt out thread. Just a way to stop Macros. Feel free to make suggestions in that regards. Thanks pal.
Also another way to fix these issues would be to simple offer a OPT OUT OF CROSSPLAY.
You have gotten exactly that of which you desire. Question then, since you have the solution to your complaint, would you call in a deckhand to close this thread? I mean if the solution is on the way, why bother arguing?
@nabberwar said in We have a few topics that come down to the use of Macros. Can they be disabled?:
Also another way to fix these issues would be to simple offer a OPT OUT OF CROSSPLAY.
You have gotten exactly that of which you desire. Question then, since you have the solution to your complaint, would you call in a deckhand to close this thread?
Well the fix hasn't been implemented and who knows if for sure it will be cuz it's not like Rare hasn't gone back on things like say how they had those original Commendations which were then nerfed after 7 months of being in the place. So maybe once the opt out is there then yes this could be closed. But who knows maybe there's other PC players who are anti-macro that might want this thread to stay open. Why do you want this thread closed so badly?
@contentzilla opt out crossplay is coming... but then there is the issue of rubberbanding joysticks for afking AND xbox one macro controllers this is not a pc specific issue dude
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