@natiredgals There's no argument here. Some people get it and some don't.
Fair compensation for a Relic.
@duke-of-spire Right some people get that its really about trying to force items that have no value to have some. That its really about your refusal to respect the work that the devs have put into the tall tales enough to not try to lord over players because you got their relic. Some people see how sad that behavior is.
Anyway I've spent enough time on this. Good luck with your silly rules rofl.
@natiredgals It has nothing to do with disrespecting anyone. You're the one who repeatedly says that yet I have never seen a RARE employee back your sentiments. I wonder why? I wonder why you speak of how RARE might feel as if you're in the Friday meetings during film time. It's odd that you barely garner an upvote concerning your stance through this entire thread. I like you Nati. I like your grit!😁
Nope, wrong again. I didn't say a word about how rare feels. Please don't claim I'm doing so when I'm not. I don't have to know how rare feels to have respect for the work they've put into tall tales enough to not try to hassle people doing them. See, I don't need to be told anything by rare to understand how to be respectful of their work. But its like you said, some people get it and some dont.
As to how they feel, I follow a lot of the devs on twitter and converse with them pretty regularly, Not once have they ever in any of the tweets they've made highlighted someone ruining someone else's voyage. Largely its highlighting those who enjoy the work they put into the game because nobody came along made of entitlement and demanded that they be appeased in order to be allowed to enjoy the game...... after already messing it up for them.
See thats where you lose it. You'd have a case to make if it amounted to more than victim blaming the people you've already stolen a valuless item from.
@natiredgals said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
@duke-of-spire Nah its more window dressing on trolling, purposely taking a dump on someone else's time spent doing a voyage and then trying to demand that they appease you by wasting more of their time is just tripping balls on a power trip that you sunk someone. lol would my crew laugh you out of the water with that nonsense.
"Wait, you cowardly attacked us (likely with a ship devoid of loot to ante up) while we were engaged with something else and we're now supposed to do a fort for you, when we can just hop servers, leave you with something of no value to you, and put the time to serving ourselves??"
What self respecting player would ever do that? I can actually hear the laughter of myself and my friends if you came at us with that trash.
"Enjoy the relic for all the good it'll do ya", would be the answer. Maybe if you want skulls you visit the Order of souls or a Fort yourself. Ya know, generate your own loot in the world instead of being parasitic.
Urgh inject this comment into my veins please
@natiredgals said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
@duke-of-spire said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
@natiredgals The truth is that we would have honored the deal. One of my old crewmates from Alpha started playing again and was 4 levels shy in OOS for pirate legend. He had enough doubloons to buy 3 of those levels. We were doing level 50 OOS as it was. So I don't want to hear "It's a con".
What I have to say about going to another server is to always remember that history has a way of repeating itself. I would rather stay on a server with pirates who are kind enough to sit down at the table and strike a deal than to take my chances of the same thing happening on a new server. I'm not telling anyone how to play the game. I'm just simply saying to keep your options open.
Rules to getting your relic back.- Don't leave in a fit of rage.
- Don't beg
- make contact through messaging or join their party chat when offered.
- Don't act entitled because you're not.
- A kind word and a sense of humor go a long way!
- Make an offer on the low side but don't be insulting.
- Be creative with your offer for who knows what kind of counter strike you could dream up while giving them 300 cannonballs and 3 pieces of Kraken!
- Have fun with the scurvy dogs for they're probably just as new at diplomacy as you are.
- Listen to their counter offers. They might be easier to acquire than your original offer.
- Try to befriend them during the process. More people have a good heart than you realize.
Seriously, read this very carefully and slowly.
Stuff your stupid rules man.
Like I told you before, if you came at us with that noise we'd laugh you off the server and tell you to cram the relic because it's no use to you outside of this trolling manure. Its the height of entitlement to think that you can dictate how others play. Sink my boat while I'm underground on a tall tale without talking to me first and then try to tell me how I need to respond in order for you deign to allow me to finish what I was doing? Nah man, you got no room to tell people not to act entitled. This is just the "plus" version of the lame argument that relics have value as decoration you made before. No man. there's a reason they arent for you to sell and have no value. And not everything in this game [Mod Edited]
Need more money during tall tales? Pick up a shovel and earn some. You can talk about how you'd honor whatever but really if you're insisting on trying to hassle tall tale players with relics to feel like you matter you've already told me what I can expect from your honor.
Its a pretty good con, it'll fool some of the chumps, but I see right thru it, if immersion and world building and yadda yadda were what you're about y ou could totally do it without STARTING with sinking their ship. Instead you'd sink them without any of the immersion or world building you claim to want, and then blame them when they dont want to start doing RP with you after you've derailed their session. Pure unadulterated nonsense.
This reply again. Please my veins need this....!
@duke-of-spire said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
@natiredgals It has nothing to do with disrespecting anyone. You're the one who repeatedly says that yet I have never seen a RARE employee back your sentiments. I wonder why? I wonder why you speak of how RARE might feel as if you're in the Friday meetings during film time. It's odd that you barely garner an upvote concerning your stance through this entire thread. I like you Nati. I like your grit!😁
Hahahaha Hahahaha you went on to say the victim was entitled yet your using upvotes to entitle your opinion as correct.
Sadly the guy has used sense to come to a conclusion about his opinion.
Heheh I hope u like saying people need anger management issues cus they took a loss to a guy like you, left the server and re did the Tall take yet u came on here to moan cus he didn’t buy your “we are role playing” cover for greif?
Hahahahahahhaha
Sounds like your the one with anger issues and I could probably tell you that from the fact u enjoyed stealing a worthless item cus it made u feel powerful.
@natiredgals said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
Nope, wrong again. I didn't say a word about how rare feels. Please don't claim I'm doing so when I'm not. I don't have to know how rare feels to have respect for the work they've put into tall tales enough to not try to hassle people doing them. See, I don't need to be told anything by rare to understand how to be respectful of their work. But its like you said, some people get it and some dont.
As to how they feel, I follow a lot of the devs on twitter and converse with them pretty regularly, Not once have they ever in any of the tweets they've made highlighted someone ruining someone else's voyage. Largely its highlighting those who enjoy the work they put into the game because nobody came along made of entitlement and demanded that they be appeased in order to be allowed to enjoy the game...... after already messing it up for them.
See thats where you lose it. You'd have a case to make if it amounted to more than victim blaming the people you've already stolen a valuless item from.
Lastly I would like to congratulate you fine sir, madam for being the reason the community managed to scrape by!
@duke-of-spire I agree with the role play part. No a pirate voice isn’t needed to role play but a bonus. I read through this entire conversation and see a few different responses.
It seems some responses come from players who became bitter. After losing time in a game by not getting the outcome they wanted at the hand of other players. This is where I think a lot of players don’t understand what this game really is.
It’s a pirate themed sandbox. This isn’t a grind to max level and if I put time in I want rewarded kind of game. The biggest mistake a player can make is getting on this game with one objective for their play session. Guaranteed it will end with rage every time.
Players who found the beauty of this game where the ones not complaining about no content to do. They where the ones forging alliances with an un-easy trust. Making these deals on the seas or at outposts. I see players return to do this new content complain that some one ruins their play session. This is what makes the content great is that you never know how it’s going to go. It keeps it fresh each play session.
If a player feels this way about a pirate taking their TT item then it’s time to take a break and play something else.
your ransom would be a complete waste of my time, if im doing a tall tale, why would I do something else that might take just as much time to complete as if I were to abandon and start over. I dont give players like that the time of day, ive said it before and I will again. im playing my game not yours
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On one hand, you made them a good offer. You weren't trolling them. And it is part of the sandbox-emergent nature of this game. I love it.
On the other hand...
Our crew would have honored the deal but the sloopers quit before the details could get worked out.
You do understand that they had no idea if you would honor any arrangement you propose, right? Sure, they could have taken you up on your offer, and you both would have had a cool experience. But given the situation, what they did makes perfect sense.
@norloc said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
your ransom would be a complete waste of my time, if im doing a tall tale, why would I do something else that might take just as much time to complete as if I were to abandon and start over. I dont give players like that the time of day, ive said it before and I will again. im playing my game not yours
Perfect summation of the situation
OP did nothing wrong. But they also cannot expect the other crew to do what was asked of them. They were playing their own game on their own time, and can choose to do what they like.
Why is everyone making a big deal about stealing a quest item? If the devs didnt want it to be stolen then they would have made it so. Im sure they made it worth nothing so players dont camp the areas to try and farm them. I mean if you dont protect your item then you dont deserve it. We all know the playerd are the real threat in this game. Or else everyone would have walked through all the tall tales already and be right back here complaining it was to easy. Can we at least give the OP credit for giving them a chance to get it back? My captain would have thrown it in the ocean and sailed away..... hes not a nice man.
All of this is the players fault who lost the item in the first place.@natiredgals It's. Far from a valueless item Nati. If you choose not to pay a ransom then have fun on the next server. adios.
@kin-h4chi No one asked for the entire fort. Just the skulls from the fort. Skulls for the Douglas Skull. Fair enough trade plus they get to keep the majority of the fort.
That's still alot of work. If you break it down. The tale is 3k u find 4 things and fight a Lord so the value of that skull is less than a hateful.
In the time it takes to do a fort you can get that skull back and get to the Lord
@wildbloodoz I agree. All I'm saying is that 9 out of 10 times the victim gets irrational and ends up shooting themselves in the foot when they could actually present a trade for their item back. It's not the attackers fault as the attacker usually has no clue what treasures a ship may have. So this "You trolled me" defense is garbage. Either defend your ship, make a deal, seek revenge, start over or quit. None of those decisions take away from the attacker or his/her dignified effort to resolve things.
@kin-h4chi And what guarantees do you have jumping to a new server? 🙂 Plus the fort proposal was the beginning of negotiations not the final resolve. I'd probably asked them what they thought was fair compensation then met them in the middle but hey, go join another server, repeat and rinse.🙂
I just quit and start the TT over lol. It's hilarious watching your bargaining chip evaporate when I do.
Just like I take pursuits to the red and repair as long as I can so it's a big pain in your aft to get to my hard earned loot...if you can.
(Peaceful solo slooper that hates pvp and only has 3 more Golden Shores to worry about any way)
@k1lroyw4sh3r3 You're right about a player's objective during a session - if they think they'll complete it, then they're not fully prepared for the reality of what this game is.
Just today, I set out with a friend who had hoped to do TT #2, but despite having voted on it, we were constantly sidetracked over the course of a few hours due to bonus quests, megalodons, shipwrecks, and more. Despite our objective, and my repeated inquiries asking if we should start the TT, it was consistently shot down by my friend who was having too much fun in the moment. Eventually time was short because I had to go eat dinner with my family, and we collectively chose to finish our last 2 bonus quests, rather than do the TT, and turn in. As we approached the outpost however, we noticed that it was occupied by another sloop. Taking the initiative, we fired peaceballs, anchorballs, and wearyballs to kindly subdue the opposition - it didn't pan out as planned, and we had to kill them 2x over by boarding their ship and stealing there pineapples and pork, but they eventually scuttled and disappeared freeing up the outpost.
So, yes - setting out with only 1 goal or idea in mind as to what you want to do is a fool's errand; in pursuing that, you miss out on so much more...
@duke-of-spire anyone who gets upset and calls you parasitic for playing a pirate game in interesting ways, needs to take a good long look in the mirror and ask themselves what they really are so upset about.
Your story perfectly describes this oximoronic stance, with people giving up and quiting and blaming and judging anyone but themselves, based on video game behavior, in a pirate game no less... its hilarious tbh... yet im sure if you simply enjoy pvp and piracy and somehow these players ended up getting ahold of your quest item, and you had attacked first with no actual toxicity, just interupting rheir tale, they would laugh about how they were teaching you a lesson or some nonsense as they hypocritically throw your item in the ocean, a far more “toxic” piece of behavior than ransoming out an item to another pirate in a game with progression revolving solely around stealable items with a never changing level playing ground. This type of gameplay is literally the core of the game..
I actually had a crews quest item and then they got ours literally because i was trying to give theirs back, and they threw ours in the sea and didnt respond to my msgs lol..
You arent parasitic, some people just take gaming WAY too seriously, to the point of their mental gymnastics actually leaving them genuinely feeling justifed in their judgements of your real character, and if im saying all this... they REALLY must be taking these things too seriously and responding purely emotionally.
@duke-of-spire said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
Our crew would have honored the deal but the sloopers quit before the details could get worked out.
Having trust in the honor of blackmailers …
Waw yeah personally i think its kind of sad and let them have fun with the boring tall tale it takes so much time for them... but i somehow appreciate leaving an option to negotiate a trade :") i dunno its why i dont like tall tales the lack of normal loot and light pirate fun it quikly gets ugly xD
Could be nice if you can sell stolen relics at outpost for say 10k gold and the owners can buy it back to continue the tale. Making it a easy and light transfer via a merchant? Respect piracy but take some pain away for lost time and effort so they can still continue playing the story :")
lol, i'd never have to worry about paying a ransom because you'd never have my relic. Many have tried, all have failed. You cant dictate how people play the game, and chastising them for how they behave if the first way you interact with them is to spoil what they are doing is just entitlement mentality.
@nwo-azcrack said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
Why is everyone making a big deal about stealing a quest item? If the devs didnt want it to be stolen then they would have made it so. Im sure they made it worth nothing so players dont camp the areas to try and farm them. I mean if you dont protect your item then you dont deserve it. We all know the playerd are the real threat in this game. Or else everyone would have walked through all the tall tales already and be right back here complaining it was to easy. Can we at least give the OP credit for giving them a chance to get it back? My captain would have thrown it in the ocean and sailed away..... hes not a nice man.
All of this is the players fault who lost the item in the first place.Nah man, no credit for trying to use an item with no value to harass other players.
@natiredgals ridiculous. Sinking someone and taking their stuff in not trolling...its what the game is designed around. Are there other ways to play? Absolutely. But that dosen't make piracy trolling just because you don't luke it.
Likewise, offering a relic that you have found back in exchange for ransom is not trolling. It is actually more generous that just letting it sink and guaranteeing the other crew fails their mission, and is entirely thematically appropriate.
What is trolling in my opinion is buying a game that is very clear about its pvp content and then attacking other players for participating in that content.
@william-flint said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
@natiredgals ridiculous. Sinking someone and taking their stuff in not trolling...its what the game is designed around. Are there other ways to play? Absolutely. But that dosen't make piracy trolling just because you don't luke it.
Likewise, offering a relic that you have found back in exchange for ransom is not trolling. It is actually more generous that just letting it sink and guaranteeing the other crew fails their mission, and is entirely thematically appropriate.
What is trolling in my opinion is buying a game that is very clear about its pvp content and then attacking other players for participating in that content.
You make a bad assumption that I dislike piracy, I love piracy, I do it myself too. I steal things of value that I can cash in. I don't steal things that I cant cash in and then try to torment the players I've stolen it from to lord over them that I sank them while they were doing something else. And I dont try to disguise it with nonsense about RP and world building.
The original post is kinda ridiculous. Makes no mention of any interaction prior to sinking them. So basically its rolling up on random players minding their business, sinking them and then blaming them when they arent up for the "roleplaying" he wanted to do afterwards.
Its all nonsense and a smoke screen, just an excuse to try to lord over that they got sunk. Its no great favor to offer them a way to not have to start over IF they satisfy his power trip over sinking them.
@marsmayflower said in Fair compensation for a Relic.:
I'm all for this kind of immersive and immergent gameplay. I would have honored the deal.
I am too, if it starts with it, instead of starting with sinking and then "surprise we're being "immersive"!!! and if you don't wanna play along its y our fault I've messed with your session!"
Nonsense.
@a-cranky-eskimo Losing your quest item by being upstanding is a funny story and one that proves just how "open" this game is. All you can do is laugh then hunt the scourge to the ends of the red sea. 😂😂😂
I just don't understand what's fun about stealing an item from peaceful other players, which doesn't have any value to you, yet clearly has value to them.
I'm also against making the relics very pricey, because a lot of people are already quitting the game out of frustration of losing their Tall Tale items. Making them more valuable would make this even worse.
There's enough stuff to do on the seas. Go clear a fort, fight a meg, loot shipwrecks, fight other players whose talent matches yours, go crazy in Arena, get drunk in the tavern.
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