Alternative Game modes

@a-cranky-eskimo said in Alternative Game modes:

they have a server merging mechanic already working to some extent, and if the servers are even double what we have now then i still dont see a problem. Its not like it will have 99 players like it said on the store for a year or more... they would just run less servers of that type maybe. and since all gold and pve content would be in the open world i really doubt that would be the case. If this is supposed to be microsofts next big exclusive and you expect a mode like this to depopulate the already small and session based servers you must think that only like 50 people will be online at a time, and dont have much faith in the game lol! Im sure if they did it right these game modes would just be a side attraction to the main attraction of the entire game and its open world possibilities. Which i really hope includes plans for this type of side activity and many others.

Edit: this would most likely leave the open world a better place for players who are against pvp modes for whatever reasons.

Nailed it!

Combined with the fact that I know rare would not abandon their initial mode in any way.

Anyone capable of making a game with such good visuals and mechanics if capable of creating an additional mode.

@cwarrick66 said in Alternative Game modes:

@Sneakler and since apparently we can discern a persons entire opinion based on their post history, you've literally only commented (More so got whiny and defensive) in this specific post. Your entire motivation on these forums is to scream endlessly into the void demanding that Rare completely flip this game on their head and turn into something it was never intended to be in the first place.

Gets upset about someone using the term snowflake after saying *UCK multiple times in a post and then calling someone whiny.

Adding a BR mode to a game with combat mechincs equals "flipping a game on it's head" followed by saying what a game was never intended to be when you have no clue what the developers intend on.

After what Fornite pulled off to think that the people at RARE haven't had a discussion at some point if this is something they might add at some point is just ludicrous.

None of us have any clue if this is something they are interested in. You base your comment of their goal to keep their initial mode casual for the most part. This has nothing to do with future ambitions.

@cwarrick66 said in Alternative Game modes:

I'd also like to point out to the entire class, this game was the #1 highest streamed game on Twitch during the beta far and away higher that both of the other games mentioned. Numbers don't lie. And that was without any kind of battle royale mode. If some of your desires are for this game to simply be a spectator sport, it's already got you covered.

Did you actually watch some of those streams.

Streamers were constantly being asked their opinions on if they thought there was going to be enough there to keep players coming back...and keep in mind the "progression video" had already been released when the beta was going on.

The answers were all the same, and you know what the answers were. It was a common answer that despite the games great looks and mechanics that there were doubts it would hold a playerbase for long if questing with only cosmetic progression would keep the game relevant.

The reason the numbers were so high is very simple to be honest.

This game is benefiting from a special time of year I refer to as the "non holiday launch"

Usually one game per year gets this boost.

For example:

Titanfall 1 - MARCH LAUNCH - 2014

The Division - MARCH LAUNCH - 2016

Sea of Thieves - MARCH LAUNCH - 2018

Games that are released around this month while not having to compete like the Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec games do against each other.

Sea of Thieves has the luxury of being released as everyone is getting sick of another bad COD, and whatever else garbage was released this holiday season.

Titanfall 1 and The Division lost their playerbase and turned into ghost towns by the end of those summers, and in The Divisions case...it was because of boredom. People who played the game regularly became bored of doing the same stuff over and over again. When they release a survival mode 6 months or a year ago, the game...despite being years old now, had tons of players return to the game.

High twitch numbers for the SoT beta speaks of how bad people want a game like this to be great. They played it because it is fun, but it was also very evident that they knew it needs more then it has. Adding two more factions into that beta and more animals etc...would not have changed that answer.

This game needs additional modes or it will fade fast, not because I want it to but because it is true.

I want to be wrong, I just don't think I will be.

@cwarrick66 said in

Because I don't think many people here want resources wasted on something that doesn't improve the game at all. Most of us here that have been following/playing this for the last year are very well aware of what rare is trying to accomplish. Turning it into a drawn and quartered smattering of "game modes" just ruins the fabric of that.

I've said it before, and once again. Pay attention to ubisofts Skull and Bones. It looks like it'll be exactly what you're talking about.

Okay, if you are going to say stuff like this. Tell us all knowing one...how much resources would be wasted? Do you know? What if it ate up one week of their time to get it off the ground? Does that mean they wasted it. What if it brought in or kept 200,000 players? You are literally telling people to go play another game. From a business stand-point can you imagine RARE telling us to go play a different game. You are speaking as a fan, but as a company that wants players to play their game, they can't afford to have your mentality. Companies don't send people to their competition unless they have no choice. You said you are aware of what RARE is trying to accomplish. No, you are aware of what they are trying to accomplish with their main mode, what this has to do with the possibility of future modes I am not sure.

I hope you are not one of those people that threaten to quit playing a game because a new mode is announced because at some point it will happen and I want you to keep playing SoT. But if you do get mad when SoT announces a new mode, there is this game called Skull and Bones coming out you might like.

Gotem : )

@ant-heuser-kush said in [Alternative Game modes]

I don't care what people do. I'm more worried about becoming a Pirate legend. If you want to waste your time talking about alternate game modes, go ahead. I have my sights on becoming a legend and the only way to do that is to play the game Rare designed.

Well guess what, RARE doesn't have the luxury of not caring what people do.

Also, if RARE makes a BR mode, you could become a legend in that mode as well.

We are not wasting our time talking about alternative modes because they will happen. You on the other hand, along with other naysayers are the ones wasting your time in a thread that is about ideas and discussion where your presence here only exists to say "NO" and tell people their ideas are wrong and improper and a problem and against a games vision that you have no clue what said vision is since you are not part of the development team.

When the people are defiant to your negativity you then proceed to just say you couldn't care less about the games community and attempt to suggest they play a game made by RARE's direct competition. That's where we differ. I may sound rude or like a jerk at times, but every idea I throw out there is about growing and maintaining this games popularity. You only care about one thing, you. I do not suggest modes because I do not like the main mode, I love it...and will play it. But would also play other modes that are equally addicting which will only add to the experience.

@ant-heuser-kush said in [Alternative Game modes]

If for some reason Rare adds game modes, the same passion you have for BR or whatever it is you want, another group will be just as passionate about what they want. If someone wants TDM or whatever other mode and you don't... does that make you a cheerleader of less content?

Good question, could I become a hypocrite on this topic. Possibly.

I guess it would depend on if it actually seemed like the mode or idea has a future and would grow the community or retain it.

If you had one post, not a recurring post, and only 2 or 3 people comment on it from time to time saying I want this, I wouldn't jump on board and say THIS HAS TO BE ADDED but I also wouldn't try to derail their idea. I want everyone to share anything they think is a good idea. If the idea was "runway modeling on the pier" I would proby think how stupid please don't add that, but I would still stop myself from trying to derail it.

The thing is though, this has been a recurring idea. On reddit and this forum. I can say with zero doubt that a BR mode on this game would be a extremely popular. That doesn't make me right and that doesn't mean they have to make this mode. But I know as do many others that this mode would have a huge following.

I would say the community is split on this idea, and you cannot account for the hundreds of thousands of Fortnite players that never asked for a BR mode and had never even played the game or heard of it that now play it every day. For every 10 people on this thread that hate the idea there are hundreds if not thousands that would play the BR mode. Fact.

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler for every one person on here who wants a battle royale mode, just as many people don't. Fact. Will this game ship with anything other than PvE with emergent PvP... no one knows. Fact. The game comes out in less than a month give or take 8 days... while you're still clamoring for a new mode, most people will be suggesting new ideas to keep the PvE with emergent PvP fresh... weapons, outfits, community events, etc. I hope those hundreds, if not thousands of players can find their next fix to make the game more fun... for them.

If you actually believe that I am worried about you.

Just the fact that Fortnite has now reached 3.4 MILLION concurrent players AT ONE TIME should be enough to wake you up as to how far off you are by using this thread to say for every one person who wants it there is one who doesn't.

Lets underestimate for a second, let's say they make a BR mode and it is incredibly addicting for PvP loving pirates, also known as a lot of pirates...it could bring in 200,000 people...with a ceiling of over a 1,000,000 people possibly.

Yet you think the 5 of you naysayers in this thread are equally represented?

What planet you living on?

If you think these estimates are far off please say so and tell me why.

All Battle Royales are not created equally and the reason Fortnite blew up was because it had something different then PUBG...which was building and simplicity with destructible everything.

Sea of Thieves has something different then both of them, stunning visuals, great mechanics, water...........................AND BOATS!

Nothing like it, the game itself would chop the BR pie into 33% portions overnight with PUBG and FORTNITE...and to top it off, PUBG is dying and has ran its course...a slow death it will be, but people want to set sail and all RARE has to do it seize the opportunity.

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler You seem to think that there is only the five of us, you couldn't be more wrong. You just said it... people need a new fix because PUBG is dying...

Oh did I mention, the 3.4 million concurrent players on Fortnite?

Did you know that 3.3999 MILLION of them NEVER at any point said on a forum that they wanted a BR mode?

That is the sound of you getting destroyed.

Nice try with your PUBG is dying attempt. The reason PUBG is dying is because of FORTNITE...not because the genre is dying. It is growing and you know that you are just out of ammo.

Also, PUBG held the crown for awhile now, if SoT had a large piece of the pie for as long as PUBG did the mode would be a giant success.

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler said in Alternative Game modes:

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler You seem to think that there is only the five of us, you couldn't be more wrong. You just said it... people need a new fix because PUBG is dying...

Oh did I mention, the 3.4 million concurrent players on Fortnite?

Did you know that 3.3999 MILLION of them NEVER at any point said on a forum that they wanted a BR mode?

That is the sound of you getting destroyed.

Nice try with your PUBG is dying attempt. The reason PUBG is dying is because of FORTNITE...not because the genre is dying. It is growing and you know that you are just out of ammo.

So you want SoT to kill Fortnite?

Deflect Deflect!

Nobody asked Fortnite to make a BR mode, now they have 3+ million players. When they announced it, there was about the same amount of people hating on this thread whining on their reddit and forums and EPIC has continued to support their mode and it is a great mode.

@ant-heuser-kush @Sneakler Have you guys ever heard of the saying: An unstoppable force, meets an immovable object? Lol

@ant-heuser-kush said in

Deflect? You said PUBG is dying because of Fornite... you said SoT has a better chance than both of them... how am I deflecting if that's what you said? So you want Fortnite and SoT to live in the same space... one on the water and one where you build forts?

I am just saying Fortnite has enough uniqueness about it that it's BR mode have nothing in common with the other games other then last crew standing would be the win condition.

The topic is getting derailed.

Let's just agree to disagree about all this. Your question makes little sense to me. The reason I said you are deflecting is that I presented you with a fact. That over 3 million people didn't ask for a BR mode and now play it. This was in response to you saying that there were way more people or the same amount of people against this being in the game.

My point being, there are masses of people who do not engage on this forum that would love the mode. There are not masses of non SoT fans who are sitting there saying to themselves "I don't know what SoT is but if they add a BR mode I am going to be upset"

I know you understand you just have to choose to stop suppressing the fact that you know.

Enough arguing.

I think we all understand some of you do not want any additional modes.

For the people saying they want to see "EVENTS"

That is a start, I hope this game includes tons of events even if BR/RACING never happens.

Nobody should be against this at least.

What if there is a new faction called "Griefers" and their quests are (TRIGGER WARNING) sink 5 ships

Or a faction called "Safe-Zone" and your job is to help skilled/real pirates who have no issues turning in their quests.

Just kidding, but no seriously.

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler So, how many people are playing Fornite's initial PvE mode "one mode" as you called it? I need a link with stats, I can't take your 3.9 million players at face value. If I did, that would mean Fornite has over 8M million concurrent players in both PvP and PvE combined... and people think PUBG is better than Fornite but PUBG is failing...

Their PvE mode concurrent players is alot smaller then it's BR community. I don't know that number. That PvE mode is for 4 players though, so even if the community has become very small, that does not mean it is DEAD or NOT SUPPORTED by EPIC.

Unless 99.9% of this games community only played it's BR mode there would always be at least one full lobby of the standard mode. Obviously 99.9% is impossible and combine that with SoT's regular mode is very fun it will not come close to dying.

The 3.4 million concurrent (players at one time) is easily found by typing Fortnite concurrent players, where you will also see search results about Fortnite beating PUBG in concurrent players. Not sure if that was on one occasion or permanently. But it is of my opinion that PUBG is on the way out and Fortnite is on the rise. Just because of Fortnite being newer as PUBG is nearing its twilight.

Just so you know, Fortnite had over 10 million players within 2 weeks. the 3.4 million was a concurrent players which broke pubg's record for concurrent. (SOURCE: GAMESPOT/WIKIPEDIA/IGN)

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler said in Alternative Game modes:

@ant-heuser-kush said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler So, how many people are playing Fornite's initial PvE mode "one mode" as you called it? I need a link with stats, I can't take your 3.9 million players at face value. If I did, that would mean Fornite has over 8M million concurrent players in both PvP and PvE combined... and people think PUBG is better than Fornite but PUBG is failing...

Their PvE mode concurrent players is alot smaller then it's BR community. I don't know that number. That PvE mode is for 4 players though, so even if the community has become very small, that does not mean it is DEAD or NOT SUPPORTED by EPIC.

Unless 99.9% of this games community only played it's BR mode there would always be at least one full lobby of the standard mode. Obviously 99.9% is impossible and combine that with SoT's regular mode is very fun it will not come close to dying.

The 3.4 million concurrent (players at one time) is easily found by typing Fortnite concurrent players, where you will also see search results about Fortnite beating PUBG in concurrent players. Not sure if that was on one occasion or permanently. But it is of my opinion that PUBG is on the way out and Fortnite is on the rise. Just because of Fortnite being newer as PUBG is nearing its twilight.

Just so you know, Fortnite had over 10 million players within 2 weeks. the 3.4 million was a concurrent players which broke pubg's record for concurrent. (SOURCE: GAMESPOT/WIKIPEDIA/IGN)

Fornite also lost 40% of its player base in the first three months... BR was a free update.

Getting way off topic once again, but Fortnite was an early access game that had a small population and then out of nowhere released a BR mode that was pretty much developed in secret and has taken the gaming community by storm.

It has literally launched EPIC back into the spotlight not just for making a great mode but their communication with their fans has been unreal. Not to mention the amount of money they have made from a free to play game with in game cosmetic purchases. SoT going a different route by having a AAA price tag with no micro-transactions as of yet. I would have preferred SoT have a $20-$30 price tag with cosmetic purchases to give them resources to grow the game but I still feel a solid BR mode would be enough to make the game fly off the shelves.

But if this game launches and the early reviews are negative due to content it will hurt them in the long run. At that point a price drop plus BR might be the only thing that revives it.

@knifelife said in Alternative Game modes:

@ant-heuser-kush @Sneakler Have you guys ever heard of the saying: An unstoppable force, meets an immovable object? Lol

I know this is funny : )

But seriously though, I have been getting private messages from people saying it is the same few people in every thread about new game modes that pop up and shoot it down with negativity and I realized all the reasons that are cited by these haters such as "split the playerbase" are grounded in zero reality.

I challenge everything these people say and they crawl into a corner and run out of of points to make and end up grasping at straws. I am not attacking anyone ideas here, I want everyone to be able to throw anything out there and not be immediately told they have a terrible idea. The immovable object in this case is a person who is in an ideas thread telling people regardless of their idea that is would negatively impact the game despite all trends support otherwise.

I know the support is there for more and not less and will continue to lobby for it.

Dealing with people who make some of the weakest arguments I have ever witnessed along the way is just a bonus.

Oh did I mention that Fortnite had over 10 million players in 2 weeks?

Gotem!

Sincerely,

Dad

@briggz77 said in Alternative Game modes:

This concept would turn so many people away from the game... Tons of people on twitch right now are tired of the amount of battle royale games that are out. Every gaming company is trying to hitch a ride on that train for as long as possible to milk some quick cash out of that genre.

This game is about adventure and piracy, leave it at that to be honest. If I wanted a battle royale game I would go play one, this game doesn't need to be like everything else, it'll do just fine for what it is.

Low effort post.

No facts. Plus one of my LOW EFFORT favorites which is when people say "TONS OF PEOPLE" as if you are making some scientific statement. What does that even mean. You watched a stream, most likely a streamer you identify with that has similar views as you about games...and then they said in their chat while playing a non BATTLE ROYALE GAME..."I am so tired of all these BR games" even though they aren't even playing one at the time...seriously lol make a real point could you?

Oh I almost forgot, you started with "this would turn so many people away from the game" even though Fortnite had 10 million players within 2 weeks on its BR mode. I mean where do you arrive at making a statement like that.

Then you follow it up with the next classic low effort argument.

You say...Every gaming company is trying to hitch a ride on the BR train...lol.

So every game that has had team deathmatch since quake/counterstrike/rogue spear/goldeneye etc....every game that has came after those...battlefield/cod/titanfall etc...these games just all hitched a ride on the TEAM DEATHMATCH bandwagon?

Games that have PvP have these types of modes.

Battle Royale is slowly destroying TEAM DEATHMATCH concepts. If SoT creates a mode like this they are would be following suit with what is trending. All signs point to that if they were going to add a PvP mode...it would be more popular if that PvP mode was a BR mode and not a TEAM DEATHMATCH mode.

You then say one last bit of low effort and irrelevance...which is that this game is about adventure and piracy. Does a BR match include an adventure and piracy? Yes it does, then you finished with this game doesn't need to be like everything else. It is a new mode for one...and second...every game is not a BR game. There are 2 and a half right now. PUBG/FORTNITE/h1z1 I guess...and maybe some other lesser known ones. But none of those have sailing and the teamwork required that this game would include in it's BR mode.

No hitching rides, just being smart and doing what is best for the longevity of your game.

Nexxxxxxxt!

@ant-heuser-kush said in

Funny, because he said PUBG was just a cash grab.

You truly are out of ammo aren't ya bud?

I said PUBG on console was a cash grab before the fervor for their game wore out. Game has been out for awhile on PC.

I also said it was a bad console port, because it is. SoT was developed with console in mind.

SoT has hype right now. PUBG used the last of their hype to push their game out on console before it was ready. The game still remains popular and worth the money on PC...on console not so much.

@sneakler Well my personal opinion is, i wouldn't want a Battlegrounds type mode in the game, i personally dont believe it would fit with he "Feel" or "Vibe". By that meaning the 100 players ect..

However I have posted topics about other Mini games i would like to see in the past. For me personally would like:

A last team standing type mode, E.g 4 Galleons last ship floating wins. Limited supplies also.

I would also like a "Boss" type fight where you have a crew of like 6 or 8 on a man o war versus a team of smaller ships, like 1 galleon 2 sloops. I think that has potential to be pretty fun.

And the obvious tavern games like Blackjack and Poker and Liars dice.. yadda yadda yaddaa

I think it would be cool if they could find a way of implementing them in the sessions somehow like @a-cranky-eskimo said, i like having as little immersion breaks as possible.

Thats just my 10 dobloons anyway or however you spell it. You will have to excuse my grammar its late here and not that good at the best of times xD

@knifelife said in Alternative Game modes:

@sneakler Well my personal opinion is, i wouldn't want a Battlegrounds type mode in the game, i personally dont believe it would fit with he "Feel" or "Vibe". By that meaning the 100 players ect..

However I have posted topics about other Mini games i would like to see in the past. For me personally would like:

A last team standing type mode, E.g 4 Galleons last ship floating wins. Limited supplies also.

I would also like a "Boss" type fight where you have a crew of like 6 or 8 on a man o war versus a team of smaller ships, like 1 galleon 2 sloops. I think that has potential to be pretty fun.

And the obvious tavern games like Blackjack and Poker and Liars dice.. yadda yadda yaddaa

I think it would be cool if they could find a way of implementing them in the sessions somehow like @a-cranky-eskimo said, i like having as little immersion breaks as possible.

Thats just my 10 dobloons anyway or however you spell it. You will have to excuse my grammar its late here and not that good at the best of times xD

All good ideas that I hope make it into the game.

It may seem as if I am hell bent on a BR mode but the topic just kind of shifted that way.

I just want more, no matter the form it arrives in. Game has so much potential.

@mattydove74 said in [Alternative Game modes]

Why would any alternate free mode or optional event in a game turn people away. The base game is there, still as awesome as ever, but if I got tired of sailing around digging up chests or spending 45 minutes trying to run a crew down to battle, I could jump right in for some intense ship to ship fights, once I had my fill, then back to the core game.

People like me were level 25 before the end of beta, how long do you think it will take to run through all the content Rare has to offer? 1 week, 2 weeks? Look at Destiny 2 they tried to cater to the casual crowd, the only thing that stopped people from completing everything the game had to offer in two weeks, was time gated content release(at least for us PC guys). Bungie has gone from hey guys trust us we know what were doing, to please tell us what to do, don't leave us!

I have never seen more content destroy a game. I can't say the opposite is true.

This exactly, Destiny 2 may be the biggest casual catering failure in gaming history. The game had so much hype coming into it. My entire friends list was playing the game and that lasted about 30-60 days. I will never go back and will not buy Destiny 3 whenever the time comes for that.

I am okay with the choice SoT made for not having vertical progression despite feeling it is a mistake. But when you make that choice as a company you have to know that the people who play the game hardcore for the 1st week could possibly do every single thing there is to do in the game. Even if you haven't bought every single cosmetic you may have bought all the ones you wanted. Then it is literally people signing and not even activating a quest. I can see it already...my buddies saying lets find some kids and take their chests.

Because people only want to do so many 7 part quests. I will play a ton of the initial mode but there will be something else that RARE introduces for the PvP thirst and we should be playing a role in discussing and shaping what that might be. That is what this thread is for.

@barnabas-seadog said in Alternative Game modes:

This thread has one fatal flaw.

OP assumes there will be other play modes.

Shared World Adventure Game. Huh? W*F?
Core game concept central to SoT, stated by Rare, from the beginning.

No other game modes, ever.

/drops microphone

Dream on : )

Source for them saying there will never be any addition modes?

I will die of old age before you come up with that...

Microphone broken on ground already from you, dies of old age.